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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 16:17:39 GMT -5
HBK's tacit justification is utter disdain for how many times HH shit on Vince/ WWE/ Fans/ etc. I remember him not being too thrilled that HH was coming back, and for the money he did, let alone having to job to him after the Mega-Powers-style build up they had. If I rememeber more correctly, weren't they a brief tag-team until some monkey business occured? So, after the storyline developed, and HBK learned of said future jobbation, he went really old school. In other words: "you want me to put THIS CLOWN over? Fine, I'll put him over. I'll make him look like Superman, again." Isn't overselling a way to voice your opinion about putting a guy over you don't like? The best part about it is, I don't think HH had any clue. I think there is a Youtube version of the match with "Yakety Sax" as the music bed. That's even funier. Was it ever confirmed that this match was a result of HBK trying to make Hogan look foolish? It seems pretty out in the open that Shawn Michaels wasn't happy with Hulk Hogan in the end of the whole deal, but even if everything was copacetic I just can't see HBK really even dialing this act down all that much. I mean it looked silly but not so much in the context of it being a Hulk Hogan match, without an ounce of intended irony it's one of my all time favorite Hulk Hogan matches.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 24, 2013 16:49:31 GMT -5
I could see if making Hogan look slow and foolish in comparison with his crazy bumping was HBK's plan but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for this one. When I watched it live, I thought Michael's psychology was that he was going to use speed to counter Hogan's power and it threw his game off. Like he would try to spring up after a Hogan punch but he didn't have his equilibrium back, like being punch drunk.
If it was to try and make Hogan look an ass, then I would chalk it up to typical primadonna HBK antics. Hogan did what he could, even blading to get the match over, and even though he was slower, he still outweighs Shawn by like a hundred pounds. I think HBK is an ass but I can't picture him having too much of a problem with Hogan. He wasn't ever the victim of his politics, in fact he benefited from the roid trials because it opened the main event door to smaller guys like him.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 24, 2013 17:42:34 GMT -5
It was a great feud, cartoony and over-the-top, and a great match, cartoony and over-the-top. Both guys should be proud of how well they pulled it off.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Oct 24, 2013 17:46:15 GMT -5
I love the fact Michaels came out the next day on Raw and pretty much wiped his hands of the entire thing, like, "OK, now THAT bullshit is over..."
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 24, 2013 17:58:49 GMT -5
HBK's tacit justification is utter disdain for how many times HH shit on Vince/ WWE/ Fans/ etc. I remember him not being too thrilled that HH was coming back, and for the money he did, let alone having to job to him after the Mega-Powers-style build up they had. If I rememeber more correctly, weren't they a brief tag-team until some monkey business occured? So, after the storyline developed, and HBK learned of said future jobbation, he went really old school. In other words: "you want me to put THIS CLOWN over? Fine, I'll put him over. I'll make him look like Superman, again." Isn't overselling a way to voice your opinion about putting a guy over you don't like? The best part about it is, I don't think HH had any clue. I think there is a Youtube version of the match with "Yakety Sax" as the music bed. That's even funier. Because if you want someone to get mad at someone for shitting on Vince/WWF/Fans/ects, it's Shawn Michaels.
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 24, 2013 18:31:56 GMT -5
Shawn didn't want to work heel for this feud & inexplicably turn back face the following night on Raw. His overselling doesn't really affect the kids watching who would be rooting for Hulk.
Comedic bumping for Hulk is nothing like the old Shawn or what he would have done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 18:39:25 GMT -5
This is classic HBK and isn't that what hogan wanted
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 18:39:35 GMT -5
This is classic HBK and isn't that what hogan wanted
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Post by repomark on Oct 25, 2013 10:24:44 GMT -5
It was just flat out hilarious. So the rumour goes that the reason HBK oversold was that Hogan refused to do a rematch down the line and return the job. Whether that is true or not, the selling of the big boot is one of the funniest things I have ever seen in a wrestling ring.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 26, 2013 1:52:25 GMT -5
If you don't approve of Michaels' performance in this match, you do not have a soul and are not invited to the dance floor.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Oct 26, 2013 12:15:45 GMT -5
I don't think it was an example of Shawn Michaels being unprofessional, though he was surely upset. I think he and Hogan both agreed to do business and before the match they realized that they were very, very limited in what they had to do.
Hogan gets a reputation for being an egomaniac, but he's no fool and he has probably always been aware of his strengths and weaknesses. They decided for Shawn Michaels to oversell a bit to make Hogan seem crazy powerful. Did Shawn Michaels have, perhaps, a little too much fun with it? Maybe, but it was great and I think it was a great match.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 26, 2013 13:19:09 GMT -5
You have to realize that with the shape Hogan was in by 2005, he was capable of very little. Had Michaels sold like he would in a normal match, people would have been complaining of the match being slow and boring. Michaels went out there and did the one thing he always swore he tried to do, which was entertain the crap out of the audience. Do you think anyone in that arena was honestly pissed when they saw that big boot, or do you think they were laughing hysterically? I know that both my step dad who isn't a wrestling fan and I were both laughing ourselves stupid and having a good time. That's what wrestling is all about.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Oct 26, 2013 15:20:11 GMT -5
This is all you need to know:
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Post by Rick Mad on Oct 26, 2013 15:43:20 GMT -5
I bring this up every time the topic comes up. I distinctly remember reading a NEWZ story saying "Shawn Michaels plans to use a lot of movement to compensate for Hogan's lack of mobility" or blah blah, something to that effect, BEFORE the match even took place. Hogan was limited and HBK did what he could to make the match entertaining. It really really wasn't being unprofessional at all, just working with what he could and making the most of it. I thought this feud was fantastic and I'd never been more excited for a Summerslam, truly felt like a Wrestlemania worthy event that year. I hate that Shawn gets crap for this.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 26, 2013 16:22:08 GMT -5
It's been 8 years, but whenever I see a gif or clip of the big boot, I have to watch it like 10 times in a row. I would kill for an interview with HBK where he explains the process of how he came up with the idea to do that.
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Post by rydndirty on Oct 26, 2013 18:40:23 GMT -5
I don't think I'm imagining this but didn't Hall & Waltman "review" this match on an episode of Last Call w/ Scott Hall? I also remember it being awesome.
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Post by brooklynmets on Oct 26, 2013 20:10:38 GMT -5
a prick he is, a prick he was and a prick he ever will be. I have to agree on this hogan quote
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Post by Essential1 on Oct 27, 2013 7:53:46 GMT -5
This was like classic heel HBK gone wrong. He was pranking Hogan and I enjoyed it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 27, 2013 9:28:14 GMT -5
HBK's awesome impersonation of Hogan alone gave him immunity from any unprofessionalism IMO
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 27, 2013 10:07:20 GMT -5
it was like for one glorious night he reverted to 1997 HBK. and it was amazing. if he'd done it to anyone else it probably wouldn't be looked too fondly upon, but Hogan did shit like this himself all the time so he doesn't have much room to complain. especially since HBK basically ended up doing the entire feud buildup by himself anyway.
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