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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 5, 2013 9:37:36 GMT -5
A discussion elsewhere on the board about HHH turned to Hulk Hogan and his WCW heel run and it was claimed that he lost clean lots of times, but I can't for the life of me recall any of them. Every time he was expected to put someone over there was a screwy finish, a corrupt ref, run ins or distractions, we know what happened with Sting, Luger had nWo chaos, Hogan was distracted by a celebrity in order for Goldberg to be able to hit his finisher, Ric Flair needed international objects, a tire iron, Arn Anderson, Charles Robinson and being in a steel cage to beat Hogan... So can anyone with a better memory remember times when Hogan took a finisher without interference and laid down for the three count, face or heel?
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Nov 5, 2013 9:40:50 GMT -5
Starrcade 96 vs Piper.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Nov 5, 2013 9:43:53 GMT -5
who won in the ultimate warrior vs Hogan rematch?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 9:44:38 GMT -5
Goldberg was pretty clean from what I remember.
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Post by lionheart21 on Nov 5, 2013 9:49:07 GMT -5
Didn't he job clean to Kidman at one point?
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 5, 2013 9:50:28 GMT -5
who won in the ultimate warrior vs Hogan rematch? Whomever won, we all lost |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 9:53:29 GMT -5
who won in the ultimate warrior vs Hogan rematch? Whomever won, we all lost Actually I think that the fireball face turn was well worth it. |
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Post by willywonka666 on Nov 5, 2013 9:53:35 GMT -5
I don't think hogan ever lost to Kidman, but I could be wrong. I do remember reading in pro Wrestling Illustrated that he lost cleanly to Jacques Rougeau in Canada.
From Wikipedia: In 1997, Jacques joined a select few when he cleanly defeated Hulk Hogan in a singles match at the Molson Centre in Montreal. On the "Right After Wrestling" program on Sirius Satellite Radio Channel 98, Jacques told hosts Arda Ocal and Jimmy Korderas that Hogan put him over because of his respect for the Rougeau family name and for keeping a clean wrestling image.[10] On Colt Cabana's Art of Wrestling podcast, Rougeau's former student, Kevin Steen asserted that Hogan laid down for Rougeau due to an additional $10,000 payment.[11] Rougeau's pinfall victory was rarely referenced by WCW in order to protect Hogan's image.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 9:57:52 GMT -5
Goldberg was pretty clean from what I remember. Karl Malone distracted him. |
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Post by Paco on Nov 5, 2013 10:17:06 GMT -5
Luger had three wins over Hogan in '97 (June '97 non-title, July '97 tag match & August '97 Title win)
All the matches had the same finish with the nWo trying to interfere on Hogan's behalf BUT nobody even laid a finger on Luger as he ended up "cleaning house" of the nWo before racking Hogan for the submission.
That's as clean as you're gonna find during the nWo era. I mean the guy had a whole gang to make sure he didn't lose.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 10:28:02 GMT -5
Piper in 1996 and 1997, Luger's title win in 1997 (Hogan also submitted to the Torture Rack at Bash at the Beach during his teaming with Rodman phase), and I believe he jobbed clean to Sting in 1998 in a cage match, but my memory is fuzzy on that.
The Goldberg job was pretty clean. Hogan hit 3 leg drops and Goldberg kicked out. Unfortunately, the camera was focused on Hennig walking to the ring at the time, and Mike Tenay's monotone "he kicked out of the leg drop" was the only mention of it on commentary (Heenan should have been screaming it). The camera focusing on Malone doing a Diamond Cutter does not constitute an unclean finish, IMO. Hogan had his back turned to Goldberg, but the fact that Goldberg popped right up after 3 leg drops and then hitting the spear was pretty decisive in itself.
Hogan did not job much as a heel (or in general), but when he did, it didn't involve as much chaos as people seem to think. He wasn't jobbing like Ric Flair, but they were pretty convincing losses. Plus, as mentioned already, he had a group with him. There was always going to be interference in one way or another.
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Post by SOR on Nov 5, 2013 10:35:34 GMT -5
Kidman beat Hogan three times but never clean. One involved Hogan being hit in the head with a chair by Kidman, one involved Horace turning on Hulk and another consisted of Kidman putting Hulk through a table.
I'm a big 99-00 WCW guy and don't remember a time he lost clean back then. The closest thing that comes to mind is when he laid down for Sting at Halloween Havoc 99 but that was more of an angle not a match.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 5, 2013 16:52:42 GMT -5
Jacques Rougeau. Sure, it was a house show. But, not many have gotten clean wins over Hogan since '85.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 5, 2013 18:10:51 GMT -5
Well, in comparison to HHH, Hogan did not look as totally dominant as a heel champion either. He was cowardly, vulnerable, and something of a paper dragon when he didn't have the nWo on his side. He rarely won matches clean. During HHH's great heel reign, he was often dominant and won his matches clean.
I know he lost clean to Luger and Piper. I don't personally remember any others.
Also, I just got a big smile on my face when I remembered that one Nitro when he was back to being superface Hulk Hogan(towards the end of WCW). WWE never mentions this phase of his career, but I thought it was pretty fun and well done.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 5, 2013 19:18:17 GMT -5
Well, in comparison to HHH, Hogan did not look as totally dominant as a heel champion either. He was cowardly, vulnerable, and something of a paper dragon when he didn't have the nWo on his side. He rarely won matches clean. During HHH's great heel reign, he was often dominant and won his matches clean. I know he lost clean to Luger and Piper. I don't personally remember any others. Also, I just got a big smile on my face when I remembered that one Nitro when he was back to being superface Hulk Hogan(towards the end of WCW). WWE never mentions this phase of his career, but I thought it was pretty fun and well done. "It's the Wall, brother!" as he pointed to the top of a skyscraper far away in the distance. The real Triple H is Hollywood Hulk Hogan, brother. |
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Post by mrjl on Nov 5, 2013 20:12:43 GMT -5
Well, in comparison to HHH, Hogan did not look as totally dominant as a heel champion either. He was cowardly, vulnerable, and something of a paper dragon when he didn't have the nWo on his side. He rarely won matches clean. During HHH's great heel reign, he was often dominant and won his matches clean. I know he lost clean to Luger and Piper. I don't personally remember any others. Also, I just got a big smile on my face when I remembered that one Nitro when he was back to being superface Hulk Hogan(towards the end of WCW). WWE never mentions this phase of his career, but I thought it was pretty fun and well done. "It's the Wall, brother!" as he pointed to the top of a skyscraper far away in the distance. I don;t think Triple H won his matches clean that often. His use of the Pedigree after something illegal encouraged people to overlook the cheating though |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 20:58:18 GMT -5
Soooooooooooo Steve Austin post 1997 gets a pass? why? Who did he put over, with out a massive screw job? Austin was even kicking out of finishers.
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Post by chronocross on Nov 5, 2013 21:06:14 GMT -5
The Giant pinned Hollywood Hogan pretty clean from what I remember on an episode of Nitro right before nWo Souled Out 98.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Nov 5, 2013 21:08:50 GMT -5
Soooooooooooo Steve Austin post 1997 gets a pass? why? Who did he put over, with out a massive screw job? Austin was even kicking out of finishers. Yeah, the guy having the hottest run in wrestling history should've been putting midcarders over clean...questioning their drawing ability would be considered bullying. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 5, 2013 21:53:50 GMT -5
Goldberg, Piper, and Luger were more of less clean wins. Sadly, I can't call Sting's Starrcade win as 'clean' due to the botched fast-count and restart. Out of all Hogan's WCW matches, this is the one that should have been a clean loss.
He lost to Jacques Rougeau at a live event in Montreal. This was not a televised loss and was a favor to the Rougeaus.
I don't remember The Giant beating Hogan clean, but I'm not sure.
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