Some More News and Notes (11-8-13)

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I'm planning to go to Mania, but that card is horrible.

[Citizen Snips]

Nov 8, 2013 20:30:31 GMT -5 BigWill said:

Austin's always saying he'll only return for another match if the conditions are right.

I can't imagine he's been waiting all this time just to face Triple H again.

Conditions=dollars. If they paid him enough, I wouldn't be surprised if his "one last match" was against Sweet T at No Way Out.

[Chip]

It says a lot really when creative doesn't expect the talent to stick around to see what's going on with the world title and main event scene. Somewhere Flair is pissed.

[BigWill]

Nov 8, 2013 20:59:57 GMT -5 Citizen Snips said:

Nov 8, 2013 20:30:31 GMT -5 BigWill said:

Austin's always saying he'll only return for another match if the conditions are right.

I can't imagine he's been waiting all this time just to face Triple H again.

Conditions=dollars. If they paid him enough, I wouldn't be surprised if his "one last match" was against Sweet T at No Way Out.

I doubt money was all it was. If it were that simple, I'm sure the WWE would have brought Austin back a long time ago.

Not to mention, Stone Cold isn't exactly strapped for cash, so I don't think just throwing a few dollars his way would bring him out of retirement.

[Crimson]

Shawn Michaels vs Daniel Bryan?

Nov 8, 2013 20:08:39 GMT -5 Oak: Certified Jade Hater said:

Nov 8, 2013 19:26:10 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Just saw their explanation for babyfaces not making the save.

...f***ING WHAT?! They really do just take common sense and wipe their ass with it, don't they?

Funny enough, didn't they have a heel beatdown on Bryan that ended with ten babyfaces coming out to his rescue? And this was roughly two months ago, so it doesn't make sense whatsoever.

It was just last year that Mr. Ironclad Contract was beating down those same baby faces so yeah.

[CM Parish]

Nov 8, 2013 20:58:52 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I'm planning to go to Mania, but that card is horrible.

A card with Brock vs Taker and HBK vs Bryan is "horrible"?

Those two matches alone would make me buy any ppv. Anything else is a welcome addition.

[Andrew is Good]

I guess one reason I like Daniel Bryan as the guy who faces Triple H is it's something Vince probably wouldn't want to do, but eventually realizes the error of his ways, making it come full circle. Vince was the one originally who was bashing Daniel Bryan before the feud started. So if Vince keeps watching Daniel Bryan in action and realizes this is the man who will help me get my company back or something like that.

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Nov 8, 2013 21:07:17 GMT -5 CM Parish said:

Nov 8, 2013 20:58:52 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I'm planning to go to Mania, but that card is horrible.

A card with Brock vs Taker and HBK vs Bryan is "horrible"?

Those two matches alone would make me buy any ppv. Anything else is a welcome addition.

Taker / Lesnar... I love their Hell in a Cell match to pieces, no other match of theirs is worth remembering and I've seen it. And Bryan / Michaels would probably be insanely good, but it's undeniably a step down from what Bryan should actually be doing and it's not a match I've ever actually felt any desire to see. Plus, let's be honest, does Michaels even have any credibility at this point? He was largely booked as a midcarder during his last big run unless he was directly involved with Taker, and any time he shows up these days it's Triple H's old, broken down friend who gets swatted like a fly.

And they're not the whole card. Orton / Punk has happened plenty of times, and the only thing I can remember from a single one of their matches is how telegraphed the finish to the Mania 27 match was. Austin / Triple H in this day and age would be a train wreck, and you know it would go on last - plus it'd be inherently pointless since Austin would win but Triple H would stick around and one day he'll just be back to being the one in charge in kayfabe again when Vince can't do it for whatever reason. Ryback vs. Goldberg doesn't even bare commenting on and honestly putting him against Ryback at this point would be a waste of Goldberg, with how Ryback is booked as an utter jobber; the only way I could see this match realistically happening is an immediate spear / jackhammer at the start to give Goldberg the win and I say that as someone who's a big Ryback fan. Cody vs. Goldust would be good at least.

[SEAN CARLESS]

If Austin does wrestle, I bet his shocks the hell out of people and tears the house down. Dude does everything at 150%

And with that in mind, I think he might get bit with the wrestling bug again, so he may have a few more key matches left thereafter.

[Professor Chaos]

We're never getting Cena-Taker at Mania are we? SIGH.

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What's the deal with this Ryback vs Goldberg crap. Complete waste of a Goldberg return when Ryback's been jobbing for months already.

Also, write me in as someone that doesn't really care about a Taker/Lesnar match at mania. Would be more interesting on a non mania ppv

[rnrk supports BLM]

I want to see Goldberg vs. Ryback just for the pleasure of seeing WWE have to swallow their pride and bring back a guy they've done everything in their power to downplay and tear down, because all their efforts can't keep him from having more starpower than most of the dudes left on their own roster.

And it should be a one-sided squash that goes maybe 2 minutes, tops.

[mizerable]

Everything that WWE is apparently building towards from that report sounds like absolute shit.

Let's have Lesnar lose at Mania again. Don't worry, he'll "look tough" so it appears that he actually won the war.

Or better yet, let's bring in 55 year old Sting to do the job to Taker. That makes sense, because they're both holdovers from their individual companies, who had a rivalry that has been dead for a dozen years.

Shawn vs. Bryan? Good match? Yes. A needed match? Nope. Sorry, Bryan doesn't need to get any rub at this point. He's already proven himself by beating Cena clean. No big match, outside of maybe Taker is going to make things any better. Big deal if he beats Shawn. All that means is that he beat a guy who hasn't been in a match in 4 years and is 15 years older. It also puts a big void on an otherwise great moment we got at WM26.

And let's bring back Austin to go against Triple H...because why not? Let's pay a huge cash sum to a guy who will have no long term plans to stay around, but we'll have him there for the "spectacle" of Wrestlemania. All that matters is big matches with no long substance. That's what people want.

No wonder people don't give a shit. You don't give them a reason to give one! When these short term guys from a decade ago outshine almost everyone on the roster, it's a glaring statement to what you're telling the audience.

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Nov 8, 2013 22:19:26 GMT -5 mizerable said:

Everything that WWE is apparently building towards from that report sounds like absolute shit.

Let's have Lesnar lose at Mania again. Don't worry, he'll "look tough" so it appears that he actually won the war.

Or better yet, let's bring in 55 year old Sting to do the job to Taker. That makes sense, because they're both holdovers from their individual companies, who had a rivalry that has been dead for a dozen years.

Shawn vs. Bryan? Good match? Yes. A needed match? Nope. Sorry, Bryan doesn't need to get any rub at this point. He's already proven himself by beating Cena clean. No big match, outside of maybe Taker is going to make things any better. Big deal if he beats Shawn. All that means is that he beat a guy who hasn't been in a match in 4 years and is 15 years older. It also puts a big void on an otherwise great moment we got at WM26.

And let's bring back Austin to go against Triple H...because why not? Let's pay a huge cash sum to a guy who will have no long term plans to stay around, but we'll have him there for the "spectacle" of Wrestlemania. All that matters is big matches with no long substance. That's what people want.

No wonder people don't give a shit. You don't give them a reason to give one! When these short term guys from a decade ago outshine almost everyone on the roster, it's a glaring statement to what you're telling the audience.

Agreed on pretty much all counts. I think I said around the time of Mania 27, Rock coming back was probably the worst thing that could have happened to WWE just because ever since they've been selling themselves almost entirely on nostalgia any time they really expect you to buy something - be it the games, Mania, to some degree SummerSlam (given how the past few years they've been annually dragging out Triple H for it, and Lesnar the past couple), or whatever else - and seem to think that if they didn't have any of those guys around the buyrate would be an absolute zero or something.

Speaking of, I absolutely hate this attitude they have that come February and until April, the people who do the work every week and are the ones the company actually relies on most of the time, the people like Bryan, Ziggler, and whoever, need to go sit on the sidelines so they can hand over the huge paydays and spotlight off to people who haven't regularly worked for them in ten to fifteen years. I get that's what works more financially for now, but if they want to keep this policy up then when the time comes that people like Rock, Lesnar, and Taker aren't able or aren't willing to keep coming in for all the big shows to get the buyrate up then they're going to have no one to fall back on and are going to suffer hard for it.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Nov 8, 2013 22:26:26 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Speaking of, I absolutely hate this attitude they have that come February and until April, the people who do the work every week and are the ones the company actually relies on most of the time, the people like Bryan, Ziggler, and whoever, need to go sit on the sidelines so they can hand over the huge paydays and spotlight off to people who haven't regularly worked for them in ten to fifteen years. I get that's what works more financially for now, but if they want to keep this policy up then when the time comes that people like Rock, Lesnar, and Taker aren't able or aren't willing to keep coming in for all the big shows to get the buyrate up then they're going to have no one to fall back on and are going to suffer hard for it.

Frankly, I've got the feeling guys like Bryan, Ziggler, and even Punk wouldn't be pushed nearly as hard as they have been if not for the fact that WWE knows they've got big nostalgia acts to draw at the key PPVs.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Nov 8, 2013 22:19:26 GMT -5 mizerable said:

Everything that WWE is apparently building towards from that report sounds like absolute shit.

Let's have Lesnar lose at Mania again. Don't worry, he'll "look tough" so it appears that he actually won the war.

Or better yet, let's bring in 55 year old Sting to do the job to Taker. That makes sense, because they're both holdovers from their individual companies, who had a rivalry that has been dead for a dozen years.

Shawn vs. Bryan? Good match? Yes. A needed match? Nope. Sorry, Bryan doesn't need to get any rub at this point. He's already proven himself by beating Cena clean. No big match, outside of maybe Taker is going to make things any better. Big deal if he beats Shawn. All that means is that he beat a guy who hasn't been in a match in 4 years and is 15 years older. It also puts a big void on an otherwise great moment we got at WM26.

And let's bring back Austin to go against Triple H...because why not? Let's pay a huge cash sum to a guy who will have no long term plans to stay around, but we'll have him there for the "spectacle" of Wrestlemania. All that matters is big matches with no long substance. That's what people want.

No wonder people don't give a shit. You don't give them a reason to give one! When these short term guys from a decade ago outshine almost everyone on the roster, it's a glaring statement to what you're telling the audience.

WWE is apparently incapable of thinking about anything other than the short-term. And I'm starting to see that this has always been Vince's M.O., but because WCW almost put them out of business, he was FORCED to step outside his personal and preferred comfort zone and think about the actual future, and take a brief loss in the building process to ensure there would even be a future. He now feels like he doesn't have to. And his house of cards is still standing, albeit getting shakier as the year's pass. He has no motivation to change. This is the WWE he's always wanted and envisioned, and there's no one left to knock the rose-colored glasses off his stupid head and make him see the forest for the trees.

WrestleMania has become totally about spectacle over long-term common sense, and short-term gain over long-term stability. They're obsessed with stats and media and mainstream blurbs that amount to zero addition to their bottom line and future.

I have no doubt, if this is the card, that it would do better than one featuring Bryan, on top, beating Orton for the belt, and having his HBK-esque closing crying boyhood dream spot. But at what cost? It's like making super hero movies exclusively. It's still working, but eventually it will be exhausted, and the bubble will burst. And by the next 'Mania whatever, without the padding and novelty, you'll get a WM 13-esque PPV nosedive of epic proportions because you didn't bother making any of the guys you have left worth a damn in lieu of catering to one-shot wonders.

[Friday Night SmackOwn]

Nov 8, 2013 21:10:34 GMT -5 Andrew is Good said:

I guess one reason I like Daniel Bryan as the guy who faces Triple H is it's something Vince probably wouldn't want to do, but eventually realizes the error of his ways, making it come full circle. Vince was the one originally who was bashing Daniel Bryan before the feud started. So if Vince keeps watching Daniel Bryan in action and realizes this is the man who will help me get my company back or something like that.

It doesn't even have to be Vince giving 100% endorsement for Bryan. Maybe it's a begrudging support for DB after seeing his intestinal fortitude for months now, and that if anyone's going good to help him take Hunner down a peg, it's D-Bry.

As for the heel beatdown explanation, it's a silly justification.

[Loser troll. Please ban me]

They are trying to get members of the Red Sox to show up at Survivor Series in Boston, perhaps in the corner of John Cena.[/quote

Thus reaching the apex of how obnoxious you can make cena

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I have no desire to see Taker/Brock or Taker/Sting at all. Brock will probably kill Taker with how rough he is and how brittle Taker is and Taker/Sting may as well take place underwater. Outside of Cena I'm not even sure who I'd want Taker to face at this point. Taker needs someone to bump like hell for him. f*** it, figure out a way to get Jeff Hardy back and let him bump for Taker.

[SEAN CARLESS]

I think the reason they won't do Cena vs. Taker is the booking. They don't want to have Taker lose, but at the same time, having John lose clean as a sheet is not something they'd particularly want either. It's like they both want them to have triumphant WM moments, but not at each other's expense.