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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 20:55:31 GMT -5
The catering bills were becoming unbearable down at Full Sail. They were losing so much money, it came to either release Ohno or sell WWE to Billy Corgan.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 9, 2013 21:03:55 GMT -5
maybe he said if WWE wasn't planning to call him up it wasn't worth his time in the gym?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 9, 2013 21:55:30 GMT -5
I think part of the anti-Ohno backlash is that there's an attitude out there that anybody who wants to see home-grown guys succeed is just too stupid to understand that the 'indie darlings' are superior and is just a complete dumbass.
So, people who might like home-grown guys like Cody, Big E, Sandow, etc... get defensive when people who prefer indie alumni insinuate that those guys are 'more deserving' of the spots that Cody, Dolph, etc.. have, and hope that they can snatch those spots away.
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Post by metylerca on Nov 9, 2013 22:13:33 GMT -5
Remember the general consensus when Low Ko quit because he didn't want to earn his spot in WWE? There were people agreeing that he should have just been pushed. It's kind of like that here.
Hero is a fantastic worker. I live an hour from Reseda so I'll go to PWG's All Star Weekend to welcome him back to the indies. But I don't think he was a WWE fit. It's not the writers. It wasn't upper management. He just wasn't right for what they look for in a wrestler. Some may disagree with what they look for, but don't act stupid. They want muscular model men who know the basics, can do an overdrive or downward spiral in front of the hard camera and maybe learn a catchphrase. They aren't the place to go to showcase wrestling talent. They're a television company that is embarrassed to be a wrestling company. Don't let this shock you. Especially those of you who spend 5 hours a day disparaging WWE for their booking and lack of Bryan pushes. This is where the "just stop watching" mentality comes from when people complain too much. Not watching sends more of a message than nerd rage on a message board. They strive for ratings, not perfection.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Nov 9, 2013 22:32:55 GMT -5
I think part of the anti-Ohno backlash is that there's an attitude out there that anybody who wants to see home-grown guys succeed is just too stupid to understand that the 'indie darlings' are superior and is just a complete dumbass. So, people who might like home-grown guys like Cody, Big E, Sandow, etc... get defensive when people who prefer indie alumni insinuate that those guys are 'more deserving' of the spots that Cody, Dolph, etc.. have, and hope that they can snatch those spots away. Let's not act like a lot of the anti-Ohno sentiment isn't based around a lot of the anti-indy sentiment that permeates the Internet Wrestling Community. Plenty of people can't wait to laugh and make jokes about high school gyms with 30 people, or throw out the timeless classic "vanilla midget" line because they couldn't cut it or something.
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Post by gnr123 on Nov 9, 2013 22:41:47 GMT -5
Remember the general consensus when Low Ko quit because he didn't want to earn his spot in WWE? There were people agreeing that he should have just been pushed. It's kind of like that here. Hero is a fantastic worker. I live an hour from Reseda so I'll go to PWG's All Star Weekend to welcome him back to the indies. But I don't think he was a WWE fit. It's not the writers. It wasn't upper management. He just wasn't right for what they look for in a wrestler. Some may disagree with what they look for, but don't act stupid. They want muscular model men who know the basics, can do an overdrive or downward spiral in front of the hard camera and maybe learn a catchphrase. They aren't the place to go to showcase wrestling talent. They're a television company that is embarrassed to be a wrestling company. Don't let this shock you. Especially those of you who spend 5 hours a day disparaging WWE for their booking and lack of Bryan pushes. This is where the "just stop watching" mentality comes from when people complain too much. Not watching sends more of a message than nerd rage on a message board. They strive for ratings, not perfection. The fact that the stigma that "Vince likes big men" is still around baffles me. It's not that Vince only likes big men, it's just that big man have proved to be more of a success than the smaller guys. Their a television company that's been in business for 30 plus years because their more than just a wrestling company. They aren't the place to showcase wrestling talent? So why are CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Ambrose, Rollins all in WWE?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 9, 2013 22:41:54 GMT -5
I think part of the anti-Ohno backlash is that there's an attitude out there that anybody who wants to see home-grown guys succeed is just too stupid to understand that the 'indie darlings' are superior and is just a complete dumbass. So, people who might like home-grown guys like Cody, Big E, Sandow, etc... get defensive when people who prefer indie alumni insinuate that those guys are 'more deserving' of the spots that Cody, Dolph, etc.. have, and hope that they can snatch those spots away. Let's not act like a lot of the anti-Ohno sentiment isn't based around a lot of the anti-indy sentiment that permeates the Internet Wrestling Community. Plenty of people can't wait to laugh and make jokes about high school gyms with 30 people, or throw out the timeless classic "vanilla midget" line because they couldn't cut it or something. I'd like to think you aren't attributing that to me, but in the end, only you know that. I'm not too familiar with Ohno's work at all, though I'll admit, I don't have much love for the whole "That Young Knockout Kid" gimmick, and the beard-and-coke-bottle-glasses look is kind of a turn-off... I've never actively wanted to see him fail, though. Just not that broken up that he didn't fit in WWE.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Nov 9, 2013 22:44:00 GMT -5
I know this might be crazy,
but there might not be things we know about the story yet
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 9, 2013 22:52:13 GMT -5
I know this might be crazy, but there might not be things we know about the story yet Bill DeMott sexually harassed him? On a serious note it makes me sick to my stomach that he's still in NXT doing shit to divas...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 23:14:53 GMT -5
I wonder if this ties into that HHH newz from a while back about wanting to find guys to develop that haven't developed bad habits in the indies or whatever it was.
Hawkins tweeted his support so I expect that he'll get crushed by someone on Raw Smackdown Main Event Superstars
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 9, 2013 23:20:57 GMT -5
I wonder if this ties into that HHH newz from a while back about wanting to find guys to develop that haven't developed bad habits in the indies or whatever it was. Hawkins tweeted his support so I expect that he'll get crushed by someone on Raw Smackdown Main Event Superstars Hawkins gets to put his buddy Ryder over? And then they hug and get back together, right? Right? Please. If he gets punished, at least punish him productively.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Nov 9, 2013 23:23:27 GMT -5
If you're going to work for the machine, you gotta play by their rules. If they want you to bulk up a bit you do it. Punk did.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 9, 2013 23:23:55 GMT -5
I wonder if this ties into that HHH newz from a while back about wanting to find guys to develop that haven't developed bad habits in the indies or whatever it was. Hawkins tweeted his support so I expect that he'll get crushed by someone on Raw Smackdown Main Event Superstars How can you punish Hawkins? He's so far down the totem pole having him get crushed on any program would actually improve his standing
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Post by Fearless The Tank on Nov 9, 2013 23:53:06 GMT -5
What makes me the most sad is that because of this, we have less of a chance to see that Punk/Rollins vs Kings of Wrestling match from after a NXT taping.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 9, 2013 23:54:42 GMT -5
I wonder if this ties into that HHH newz from a while back about wanting to find guys to develop that haven't developed bad habits in the indies or whatever it was. Hawkins tweeted his support so I expect that he'll get crushed by someone on Raw Smackdown Main Event Superstars How can you punish Hawkins? He's so far down the totem pole having him get crushed on any program would actually improve his standing Really. I don't think he's had a match in months. He'd probably be happy jobbing, just so he'd have something to do.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 10, 2013 0:05:34 GMT -5
Let's not act like a lot of the anti-Ohno sentiment isn't based around a lot of the anti-indy sentiment that permeates the Internet Wrestling Community. Plenty of people can't wait to laugh and make jokes about high school gyms with 30 people, or throw out the timeless classic "vanilla midget" line because they couldn't cut it or something. Here's the thought process. 1. People are talking about someone I don't know much about, which makes me feel excluded and poorly informed! 2. Because the way I'm affected by other people's behavior is the most important thing, I assume their MAIN GOAL must be to make other people feel excluded and poorly informed! If they didn't, then why would they talk so much about someone I don't even know much about? 3. Only jerks would try to make other people feel bad! I'm going to react by saying things that will make them feel bad!
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Post by Count Blah on Nov 10, 2013 0:24:03 GMT -5
Remember the general consensus when Low Ko quit because he didn't want to earn his spot in WWE? There were people agreeing that he should have just been pushed. It's kind of like that here. Hero is a fantastic worker. I live an hour from Reseda so I'll go to PWG's All Star Weekend to welcome him back to the indies. But I don't think he was a WWE fit. It's not the writers. It wasn't upper management. He just wasn't right for what they look for in a wrestler. Some may disagree with what they look for, but don't act stupid. They want muscular model men who know the basics, can do an overdrive or downward spiral in front of the hard camera and maybe learn a catchphrase. They aren't the place to go to showcase wrestling talent. They're a television company that is embarrassed to be a wrestling company. Don't let this shock you. Especially those of you who spend 5 hours a day disparaging WWE for their booking and lack of Bryan pushes. This is where the "just stop watching" mentality comes from when people complain too much. Not watching sends more of a message than nerd rage on a message board. They strive for ratings, not perfection. As a devout lurker whose rarely motivated to post anything on this board, I have to say this is perhaps the most brilliant synopsis of the divide between the IWC and the WWE front office I've read in a long time. Well said, sir.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 10, 2013 0:29:11 GMT -5
Remember the general consensus when Low Ko quit because he didn't want to earn his spot in WWE? There were people agreeing that he should have just been pushed. It's kind of like that here. Hero is a fantastic worker. I live an hour from Reseda so I'll go to PWG's All Star Weekend to welcome him back to the indies. But I don't think he was a WWE fit. It's not the writers. It wasn't upper management. He just wasn't right for what they look for in a wrestler. Some may disagree with what they look for, but don't act stupid. They want muscular model men who know the basics, can do an overdrive or downward spiral in front of the hard camera and maybe learn a catchphrase. They aren't the place to go to showcase wrestling talent. They're a television company that is embarrassed to be a wrestling company. Don't let this shock you. Especially those of you who spend 5 hours a day disparaging WWE for their booking and lack of Bryan pushes. This is where the "just stop watching" mentality comes from when people complain too much. Not watching sends more of a message than nerd rage on a message board. They strive for ratings, not perfection. The fact that the stigma that "Vince likes big men" is still around baffles me. It's not that Vince only likes big men, it's just that big man have proved to be more of a success than the smaller guys. Their a television company that's been in business for 30 plus years because their more than just a wrestling company. They aren't the place to showcase wrestling talent? So why are CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Ambrose, Rollins all in WWE? Because they're all being lined up to get jobbed to Ryback, who's totes getting pushed to the moon. #bignecksbigchecks #bigarmsfirealarms
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Post by metylerca on Nov 10, 2013 1:47:06 GMT -5
Remember the general consensus when Low Ko quit because he didn't want to earn his spot in WWE? There were people agreeing that he should have just been pushed. It's kind of like that here. Hero is a fantastic worker. I live an hour from Reseda so I'll go to PWG's All Star Weekend to welcome him back to the indies. But I don't think he was a WWE fit. It's not the writers. It wasn't upper management. He just wasn't right for what they look for in a wrestler. Some may disagree with what they look for, but don't act stupid. They want muscular model men who know the basics, can do an overdrive or downward spiral in front of the hard camera and maybe learn a catchphrase. They aren't the place to go to showcase wrestling talent. They're a television company that is embarrassed to be a wrestling company. Don't let this shock you. Especially those of you who spend 5 hours a day disparaging WWE for their booking and lack of Bryan pushes. This is where the "just stop watching" mentality comes from when people complain too much. Not watching sends more of a message than nerd rage on a message board. They strive for ratings, not perfection. As a devout lurker whose rarely motivated to post anything on this board, I have to say this is perhaps the most brilliant synopsis of the divide between the IWC and the WWE front office I've read in a long time. Well said, sir. Thank you, sir.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 7:43:06 GMT -5
If you're going to work for the machine, you gotta play by their rules. If they want you to bulk up a bit you do it. Punk did. Fat emo kid OVW Punk was such an awful look, haha (please don't make this "he wasn't fat wtf are you insane" yes I know, but for Punk he looked fat, or we'll say 'puffy'). His current more slender build suits him so much better, with the mass tangle of tattoos to cover his lack of pectoral muscles. When you think about it, this all comes down to pecs. If Hero had better pecs, total different situation. Even when he did slim down, the pecs weren't happening. Vince LOVES pecs. When I was a kid, I thought the bigger the pecs, the better the wrestler (so naturally, HUGE Ahmed Johnson fan). That's not something a child just thinks. That's something a child is conditioned to think. Meanwhile, pecs are most functionally useless muscles one can have. Sorry Big E don't kill me.
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