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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 22:51:05 GMT -5
Look at Triple H in 1998 and compare him to now.
Come on, man. That's a case when "just look at him" works. It worked for Barry Bonds, didn't it?
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Nov 12, 2013 22:54:13 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio hasn't been tested in a while, or at least hasn't failed one lately.
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 12, 2013 23:09:44 GMT -5
While I'm aware that people just plain have individual body types and some are just naturally muscular and huge, I find it hard to believe that most wrestlers have the time to work out and eat enough to get THAT massive and stay that massive long term. For how much they are on the road, they are probably lucky to be able to get in regular workouts several times a week and maintain a clean diet, let alone be able to spend the hours on end eating and pumping to develop that kind of huge muscularity. On top of that, I find it had to believe that some of them would experience the kind of fluctuations they do, going from freakishly massive to just huge, from lean to enormous, if they were not using steroids and other performance enhancing drugs.
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Post by Juice on Nov 12, 2013 23:11:47 GMT -5
I one hundred percent believe Ryback is on steroids. He has appeared many times to not have the strength that his deceptively large muscles should have. From not lifting Mark Henry, twice. To dropping smaller guys like Daniel Bryan. A big dude like that should have n problem lifting Daniel Bryan. Rybacks on something.
And Vince is definitely on roids, HHH now? No, but surely had to in the past.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 13, 2013 4:45:40 GMT -5
Also, people brought up Umaga and Funaki. This stuff isn't just to make you super jacked. For Funaki, it was for anti aging. And for Umaga, I'm not quite sure what it was exactly, but not all steroids are the same thing. I had a steroid puffer for awhile, as well as prednisone for my arthritis, both steroids. That was the exact reason I brought them up, to show that the 'just look at the guy' argument isn't always sound.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 13, 2013 5:02:21 GMT -5
If they are superhumanly massive, they're on the juice. If they are big enough stars, they'll be quietly exempted.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Nov 13, 2013 5:30:20 GMT -5
I read once an interesting article (in french) on how you recognize someone on roids, describing 5 "symptoms":
- Breasts (muting hormones things) - the "Bull Shape" (the upper body muscles (shoulders, pecs,trapezius,..) grow more than the others when you take steroids and become absurdly big) - acne (on the back for ex) - "Roid Gut" (fat but muscular gut) - the lack of strengh compared to the huge muscle mass.
With that in mind, I can say I'm 99% sure people like Trips, Ryback, Batista and the Rock are or were on something.
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Post by thirteen3 on Nov 13, 2013 5:40:29 GMT -5
Every large bodybuilder in the WWE. Am I doing it right? In a way, there's something morbidly hilarious about the fact that the two big, high-profile wrestler deaths associated with steroid abuse that lead to the creation of the current Wellness policy were two of the original guys labelled "vanilla midgets", wrestlers who smarks whined for years were being held down because they weren't 'roided-up bodybuilders... yet now, years later, the same folk are still blithering the same "the guy with big muscles is obviously on steroids JUST LOOK AT HIM" spiel. Eddie was sooo obviously on the roids towards the end of his life, it's actually kinda painful to think about it.
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Post by kieran on Nov 13, 2013 9:38:44 GMT -5
I read once an interesting article (in french) on how you recognize someone on roids, describing 5 "symptoms": - Breasts (muting hormones things) - the "Bull Shape" (the upper body muscles (shoulders, pecs,trapezius,..) grow more than the others when you take steroids and become absurdly big) - acne (on the back for ex) - "Roid Gut" (fat but muscular gut) - the lack of strengh compared to the huge muscle mass. With that in mind, I can say I'm 99% sure people like Trips, Ryback, Batista and the Rock are or were on something. I cant have been the only one to notice Heath Slaters growing man boobs?
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Nov 13, 2013 9:40:59 GMT -5
I read once an interesting article (in french) on how you recognize someone on roids, describing 5 "symptoms": - Breasts (muting hormones things) - the "Bull Shape" (the upper body muscles (shoulders, pecs,trapezius,..) grow more than the others when you take steroids and become absurdly big) - acne (on the back for ex) - "Roid Gut" (fat but muscular gut) - the lack of strengh compared to the huge muscle mass. With that in mind, I can say I'm 99% sure people like Trips, Ryback, Batista and the Rock are or were on something. I cant have been the only one to notice Heath Slaters growing man boobs? I wouldn't be surprised if Slater got wellnessed. Didn't he have seriously bad acne for a while?
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 13, 2013 9:54:10 GMT -5
As far as wellness exceptions, one issue I have is Orton came up on this list of people getting stuff illegal a few years ago and they did nothing. Orton should probably be the first guy fired from the policy. Officially, Orton was caught with the stuff before the list came out and was given a strike for it when the signature pharmacy list came out. The theory was why should he get two strikes for the same offense? Would they have done that for someone else? Maybe... maybe not... But if true I'd be fine with how they handled it.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 13, 2013 12:07:04 GMT -5
Look at Triple H in 1998 and compare him to now. Come on, man. That's a case when "just look at him" works. It worked for Barry Bonds, didn't it? Triple H is an interesting subject. In 2004 before Wellness was introduced he was quiet obviously on roids, then in 2006 he seemed to ahve lost a lot of his mass and got chubby instead (I was always thinking about how fat he looked during his DX run), then after he quad tear he seemed to have gin the muscles back but this time they seemed more natural. Same thing happened with Randy Orton. Bulked to all hell, got fat, then got back in shape.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 13, 2013 12:10:13 GMT -5
I cant have been the only one to notice Heath Slaters growing man boobs? I wouldn't be surprised if Slater got wellnessed. Didn't he have seriously bad acne for a while? Not sure, but he actually HAS been Wellnessed before, so this would be Strike 2.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 13, 2013 12:39:14 GMT -5
As long as you have a valid prescription you can take what you like (except for soma pills, they've been completely banned by WWE). This gets said every freaking time but we still have this discussion once a month, haha.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 13, 2013 12:48:44 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio hasn't been tested in a while, or at least hasn't failed one lately. He just failed the test last year. If they are superhumanly massive, they're on the juice. If they are big enough stars, they'll be quietly exempted. So guys like Mysterio and Orton can fail wellness, but Ezekiel Jackson and Mason Ryan are exempt? OK.
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Post by Idiot on Nov 13, 2013 12:52:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Cena takes prescription steroids when he's injured so he can comeback sooner. Which is a completely different thing? My grandmother took steroids when she had a lung infection, pretty sure she's not about to fail wellness. Corticosteroids =/= anabolic steroids. As long as you have a valid prescription you can take what you like (except for soma pills, they've been completely banned by WWE). It doesn't exactly work out like that. Not only does one need a valid prescription, but the doctor needs to have a valid reason to give out the prescription, and it has to be in the proper doses. For instance, there have been plenty of cases where doctors have lost their licenses or have gone to jail for enabling a person's drug habit. This would apply to steroids as well. This. You need to fax your scripts to WWE's medical director who needs to sign off on it. He has no incentive to allow wrestlers to break the policy. Also, people brought up Umaga and Funaki. This stuff isn't just to make you super jacked. For Funaki, it was for anti aging. And for Umaga, I'm not quite sure what it was exactly, but not all steroids are the same thing. I had a steroid puffer for awhile, as well as prednisone for my arthritis, both steroids. Yes, but glucocorticoids aren't on the wellness list. Because they don't aid muscle growth. Because their function is completely different. Steroid refers to the structure of the chemical. It is a broad term The contraceptive pill contains steroids. The pill is not on the wellness policy list either. I one hundred percent believe Ryback is on steroids. He has appeared many times to not have the strength that his deceptively large muscles should have. From not lifting Mark Henry, twice. To dropping smaller guys like Daniel Bryan. A big dude like that should have n problem lifting Daniel Bryan. Rybacks on something. Ryback benches 550 lbs 'deceptively large' my arse. Also, fun fact people aren't that easy to lift. Our weight is not evenly distributed, and after sweating we're quite slippery. If Ryback gets a bad grip, can't get into the right position, or Bryan doesn't help enough (he can f*** up too) then yeah the big guy could drop him. I do cheerleading. Four people can sometimes fail to lift one tiny girl.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 13:25:37 GMT -5
What do we love to speculate more on: What divas are banging which wrestlers or who is "obviously" on the juice?
Because those two types of threads are the gold standard for how much we'll bullshit what we actually know about backstage WWE.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 13, 2013 14:00:52 GMT -5
Which is a completely different thing? My grandmother took steroids when she had a lung infection, pretty sure she's not about to fail wellness. Corticosteroids =/= anabolic steroids. It doesn't exactly work out like that. Not only does one need a valid prescription, but the doctor needs to have a valid reason to give out the prescription, and it has to be in the proper doses. For instance, there have been plenty of cases where doctors have lost their licenses or have gone to jail for enabling a person's drug habit. This would apply to steroids as well. This. You need to fax your scripts to WWE's medical director who needs to sign off on it. He has no incentive to allow wrestlers to break the policy. Also, people brought up Umaga and Funaki. This stuff isn't just to make you super jacked. For Funaki, it was for anti aging. And for Umaga, I'm not quite sure what it was exactly, but not all steroids are the same thing. I had a steroid puffer for awhile, as well as prednisone for my arthritis, both steroids. Yes, but glucocorticoids aren't on the wellness list. Because they don't aid muscle growth. Because their function is completely different. Steroid refers to the structure of the chemical. It is a broad term The contraceptive pill contains steroids. The pill is not on the wellness policy list either. I one hundred percent believe Ryback is on steroids. He has appeared many times to not have the strength that his deceptively large muscles should have. From not lifting Mark Henry, twice. To dropping smaller guys like Daniel Bryan. A big dude like that should have n problem lifting Daniel Bryan. Rybacks on something. Ryback benches 550 lbs 'deceptively large' my arse. Also, fun fact people aren't that easy to lift. Our weight is not evenly distributed, and after sweating we're quite slippery. If Ryback gets a bad grip, can't get into the right position, or Bryan doesn't help enough (he can f*** up too) then yeah the big guy could drop him. I do cheerleading. Four people can sometimes fail to lift one tiny girl. Right, which are steroids you are prescribed, like the ones you would be prescribed following an injury, and so equally legal even if not the same kind of steroid...
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Post by bootytea on Nov 13, 2013 17:22:33 GMT -5
I have my suspicions, but I can never know for sure.
To believe that some of these physiques are naturals is too hard for me, especially since they are on the road and have little time to maintain them.
Then again, I did hear about Shelton Benjamin being a clean guy that never really worked out yet still has a good size.
The sports entertainers do not need to be as jacked as the Rock was when he was filming that GI Joe movie, but they certainly need to be larger than life, in my view. I am a sucker for hosses I guess because I can not take a guy like CM Punk seriously when he faces guys like Brock Lesnar. People like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan look like a couple guys I could easily take on in a fight, no problem.
It does matter to me if people use steroids that are harmful because the last thing I want is one of my favorites or anyone for that matter to die over aesthetics.
At the end of the day, it is what they do in the ring and what they add to the art that matters the most.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 13, 2013 17:31:40 GMT -5
To be fair, wrestling a few nights a week all year round would put you in great shape just by default. My brother-in-law works for an outdoor pursuits company, and he ended up pretty jacked pretty much just from doing his damn job because his job was so athletic. And trust me, he could not afford a gym membership - money wise or time wise.
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