Boo!
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Nov 13, 2013 21:22:34 GMT -5
Things are so short-term these days the most you have to go back to explain a current event is two four minute segments that happened last week. It's not like we see months and months of intricate, layers of storyline as background to something.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 13, 2013 21:22:44 GMT -5
I still don't get what's complex. You can pick any show on TV and be there all day explaining the backstory to any one particular scene "They're running away together because he slept with her sister and she found out got jealous and then had a lesbian affair with his then girlfiend who was secretly pregnant with her sons baby but miscarried and then fell in love with a doctor who is trying to kill the man she's running away with who unbenownst to her is actually planning to announce he's gay but worried his family might disinherit him if he admits it because his Mom once had another gay son the dad made them lose contact with and if the other one admits to be being gay he'll lose the oil inherritace that he was planning to open up a medical facility and employ the man that chased the cat that ate the rat that lived in the house that Jack built" ...nobody really wants to know that much detail if they're a casual observer but most soaps or drama series will have similar levels of background story. In wrestling you get two guys (or more) who have beef. Surely that for a casual observer is a fairly simple concept to understand? You'd be surprised. Some of the questions I got: "Why did he take off the covering of the table before putting him through it?" "Why does he have that belt?" "How many belts are there?" "Why do people keep interrupting other people and running in on matches?" "Why is that dude with the messed up eye (Kane) wearing a suit?" "Why do those matadors have a bull?!" "Why are there so many bosses?" "Nobody gets hurt doing this, right?" "They plan all of this out backstage, don't they?" The overall concept is simple but jeez, it's hard to explain all of the details. |
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 13, 2013 21:37:47 GMT -5
I think one of the biggest mistakes we make as fans is pushing for wrestling as a whole to make sense. Everything should make sense. It doesn't have to be rocket science, but everything should have continuity and consistency in storytelling. |
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 13, 2013 21:45:04 GMT -5
I think one of the biggest mistakes we make as fans is pushing for wrestling as a whole to make sense. Everything should make sense. It doesn't have to be rocket science, but everything should have continuity and consistency in storytelling. Generally speaking, even the best wrestling story lines have almost no consistency or continuity. I've always been amazed when a wrestler mentions something from six months ago in a promo. That's not just the current product either, Austin/McMahon had so many holes and illogical moments that it makes my head explode. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 13, 2013 21:47:13 GMT -5
Also, my friend said that Randy Orton was the biggest piece of white trash he's ever seen.
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Post by blackmegaman on Nov 13, 2013 21:53:16 GMT -5
Getting into wrestling is like getting into Comic books there is going to be a lot of back-story , in universe quirkiness , and unwritten rules to what you can and can't do .
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 13, 2013 22:05:38 GMT -5
Everything should make sense. It doesn't have to be rocket science, but everything should have continuity and consistency in storytelling. Generally speaking, even the best wrestling story lines have almost no consistency or continuity. I've always been amazed when a wrestler mentions something from six months ago in a promo. That's not just the current product either, Austin/McMahon had so many holes and illogical moments that it makes my head explode. I agree with that. But it's not impossible to make it consistent. At least within the story you're telling. The long term soap nature of wrestling requires that logic usually be compromised over the years (Like Snuka being on Piper's Survivor Series team in '89), but within a certain arc, there is no excuse for things to not make sense or have continuity. If they don't, the writer's just lazy. |
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Dean-o
Grimlock
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 13, 2013 22:13:46 GMT -5
Non-fans simply have no idea how complex the business of pro wrestling can really be. Most thing we just watch it at face value and say "OMG don't you know it's fake?"
I've been watching non-stop for 22+ years and there is still stuff I learn on a daily basis.
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saintpat
El Dandy
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Post by saintpat on Nov 13, 2013 22:34:57 GMT -5
Also, my friend said that Randy Orton was the biggest piece of white trash he's ever seen. Well, he understood the basics, then.  I have some similar questions sometimes, like: * If someone is trying to really hurt the other guy by putting him through the announce table, why does he take the monitors out when they are the thing that would do the most damage? * How is it that in tag matches, the rule is that only the legal guys are in the ring and someone not legal entering can result in DQ -- or at least the ref makes them get out of the ring ... but when someone is getting pinned and his partner comes in to make the save ALL the rules are out the window? Because then the partner of the guy trying to make the pin comes in and it's a free-for-all ... and the ref doesn't try to do anything about it? * If Kane can make fire come out of the top of the ring posts, why doesn't he ever do it when his opponent is perched up there? These things keep me up at night. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 13, 2013 22:40:01 GMT -5
* If someone is trying to really hurt the other guy by putting him through the announce table, why does he take the monitors out when they are the thing that would do the most damage? WWE management gets pissy about their equipment, and they'd take the cost of the monitors out of the offending wrestler's paycheck. Because then he'd be disqualified, and mask-wearing pyromaniac or not, Kane is too much of a sportsman to want that. ...but yeah, I never figured out the tag one either. According to Gorilla Monsoon, the ref should've disqualified them right there, so clearly all WWE referees are incompetent to go along with their glass jaws. |
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saintpat
El Dandy
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Post by saintpat on Nov 13, 2013 22:50:02 GMT -5
* If someone is trying to really hurt the other guy by putting him through the announce table, why does he take the monitors out when they are the thing that would do the most damage? WWE management gets pissy about their equipment, and they'd take the cost of the monitors out of the offending wrestler's paycheck. Because then he'd be disqualified, and mask-wearing pyromaniac or not, Kane is too much of a sportsman to want that. ...but yeah, I never figured out the tag one either. According to Gorilla Monsoon, the ref should've disqualified them right there, so clearly all WWE referees are incompetent to go along with their glass jaws. Disqualified for what, exactly? It's not like he took a match and doused the guy with gasoline. Or how about when Orton goes up on the ring post BEFORE the match. Fire, extra krispy, pin for the 1-2-3. |
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Post by Topher is Human on Nov 13, 2013 22:54:30 GMT -5
Also, my friend said that Randy Orton was the biggest piece of white trash he's ever seen. Well, he understood the basics, then. I have some similar questions sometimes, like: * How is it that in tag matches, the rule is that only the legal guys are in the ring and someone not legal entering can result in DQ -- or at least the ref makes them get out of the ring ... but when someone is getting pinned and his partner comes in to make the save ALL the rules are out the window? Because then the partner of the guy trying to make the pin comes in and it's a free-for-all ... and the ref doesn't try to do anything about it? I've been asked this and it's easy; the rule is that the non legal man only has till the referee's five count before disqualification. However since the referee is too busy monitoring and counting the pinning predicament, he is unable to start his 5 count until he stops counting the pinfall attempt. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 23:03:04 GMT -5
To me wrestling is one of those things where if you weren't into it at a young age you'll probably never really "get" it.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Nov 13, 2013 23:04:06 GMT -5
Things are so short-term these days the most you have to go back to explain a current event is two four minute segments that happened last week. It's not like we see months and months of intricate, layers of storyline as background to something. Well,not in WWE.To figure out Chikara you need several dry erase boards and a degree in quantum physics. |
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Post by jjdash on Nov 13, 2013 23:57:00 GMT -5
WWE management gets pissy about their equipment, and they'd take the cost of the monitors out of the offending wrestler's paycheck. Also they are conscious of the fact it is very possible that their opponent could reverse. In the event that they do, they wouldn't want to land on the monitor either. |
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Dean-o
Grimlock
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 14, 2013 0:02:44 GMT -5
* If Kane can make fire come out of the top of the ring posts, why doesn't he ever do it when his opponent is perched up there? These things keep me up at night. I always looked at it as, he's only trying to win the match, not kill his opponent. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 14, 2013 0:07:09 GMT -5
Things are so short-term these days the most you have to go back to explain a current event is two four minute segments that happened last week. It's not like we see months and months of intricate, layers of storyline as background to something. Well,not in WWE.To figure out Chikara you need several dry erase boards and a degree in quantum physics. Actually? My (complete non-wrestling friends) and I watched a Chikara ippv, and no one seemed all that confused by what was happening. They actually got into the storylines, insane as they were. I think the nuttiness helped. If you let go and just accept the big questions ("So wait, that guy is an action-figure ant from space?") then you'll just wash over all the little questions ("If it's no-disqualification, why don't they just try to kick each other in the balls?") |
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