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Post by tekkenguy on Nov 13, 2013 21:54:53 GMT -5
Why exactly did Sean O'Haire flop? He was being pushed into the Mr. America feud and aligned with Roddy Piper, but just two months later, he was back to squashing jobbers on Velocity.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 13, 2013 21:55:59 GMT -5
Because his devil's advocate character only worked in vignettes. Once he got to the ring, he was plain old generic hoss Sean O'Haire.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 13, 2013 21:56:32 GMT -5
By all accounts, he couldn't cut a promo in front of a live crowd to save his life.
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Post by Error on Nov 13, 2013 21:57:49 GMT -5
By all accounts, he couldn't cut a promo in front of a live crowd to save his life. Yeah and he was nuttier than squirrel shit so WWE was wary to really get behind him once they figured it out |
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 13, 2013 22:01:47 GMT -5
By all accounts, he couldn't cut a promo in front of a live crowd to save his life. Yeah and he was nuttier than squirrel shit so WWE was wary to really get behind him once they figured it out This and this, plus he was pretty slow and plodding by the time he got out of WWE developmental in 2003, a far cry from his fast paced, high impact style of WCW's dying days. |
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Post by Rican on Nov 13, 2013 22:04:51 GMT -5
....ya know 7 years has passed. If they gave someone else the same gimmick I wouldn't hate it.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 13, 2013 22:05:37 GMT -5
Because his devil's advocate character only worked in vignettes. Once he got to the ring, he was plain old generic hoss Sean O'Haire. They never let him play the character on TV. He was just threw him in as Piper's bodyguard. They should've had him interacting with more of the roster. Maybe have a couple of guys randomly turn heel because O'Haire whispered in their ear or something |
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 13, 2013 22:10:23 GMT -5
Because his devil's advocate character only worked in vignettes. Once he got to the ring, he was plain old generic hoss Sean O'Haire. They never let him play the character on TV. He was just threw him in as Piper's bodyguard. They should've had him interacting with more of the roster. Maybe have a couple of guys randomly turn heel because O'Haire whispered in their ear or something I guess you don't remember him convincing Dawn Marie to flash and Brian Kendrick to streak. |
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Post by tekkenguy on Nov 13, 2013 22:12:18 GMT -5
IMO, if they tried to get O'Haire over on his own rather than just stick him with Piper, then he could've been the next big heel on Smackdown. I think a feud with Undertaker would've worked greatly if Taker was in his Deadman gimmick.
The gimmick would work great with the Ascension. Right now, their gimmick just seems to be two guys with a fondness for darkness. They need to develop their characters more.
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Post by Injustice45 on Nov 13, 2013 22:26:14 GMT -5
At least he's in Here Comes The Pain.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Nov 13, 2013 22:42:08 GMT -5
Because they stuck him in there with Piper.
Seriously. I love Piper, but that pairing made Sean look like a chump and like Piper's mindless muscle. It was the worst possible thing you could've done for him and especially the character. Because now he goes from seeming like a manipulative heel to looking like he's going to be the road block between Piper and Hogan.
His live promos were somewhere between shaky to solid but unspectacular and he lacked any truly defining character moment, but those could come with time. The combination of him being cut at the legs by the Piper thing and him growing steadily more disgruntled. or "crazy", because of it were what killed him.
Shame too.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 13, 2013 22:42:59 GMT -5
Cuz he just wasn't that good.
He was ok, but he was never up to the 'promise' so many ascribed to him. Hell, I don't even think that character had much shelf life even if he had been up to par.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 13, 2013 23:20:37 GMT -5
His Devil's Advocate character is the sort of high concept stuff that just can't add up to anything wrestling related. How does someone execute that gimmick in the ring? Interesting characters and good pro wrestling gimmicks aren't one and the same all the time. I also seem to recall some news back then that developmental was trying to get the various WCW guys to ground their game and not do so many high spots, which was death for someone like O'Haire that was different because he was a big man that could go aerial.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Nov 13, 2013 23:23:17 GMT -5
To people asking how you do a gimmick like that in the ring...
Jake. Roberts.
His gimmick was essentially the prototype of what Sean O'Haire's was. You want that gimmick to be a success? Look to Roberts' run as a heel for inspiration. Or, if you're feeling particularly lazy about it, take it note for note, high point for high point.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 13, 2013 23:25:32 GMT -5
O'Haire didn't have one tenth of the charisma that Jake had though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 23:26:51 GMT -5
Because he sucked.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 13, 2013 23:30:14 GMT -5
Even if they didn't have him cut promos on Raw or Smackdown, they probably had him cut them on house shows and off camera. You can tell how someone will perform without showing the audience how they will perform.
It's just a different skill set. Being able to read a script in multiple takes until you get one that sounds really good is not the same as being able to perform live in front of an audience. You can be good at one and not the other.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 13, 2013 23:31:26 GMT -5
he was trying to draw a foul
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Post by EyeofTyr on Nov 13, 2013 23:34:31 GMT -5
O'Haire didn't have one tenth of the charisma that Jake had though. Maybe not, but I never said he had to be Jake Roberts or as memorable as Jake Roberts. I merely said it was possible to make him a success and translate the gimmick into the ring. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 13, 2013 23:41:12 GMT -5
I feel like those praising or defending O'Haire are ignoring the 'nutcase' thing about him.
I'd say wrestling was better off without this guy around longer, Devil's Advocate gimmick or not.
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