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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 3:42:50 GMT -5
So he beat Hogan. Then he seemed to be in a load of six-man tags and he feuded with Rude.
Did I miss anything out?
Why was he booked like this? I understand that back then the tradition was for TV you only had the main feud at WM. Hogan wouldn't defend the title at Rumble and would be in tag matches for Summerslam and Survivor Series but with Warrior surely they could have made a special effort to build more feuds up. Especially considering he'd already done something with Rude for three PPVs already which back then was a life-time (Royal Rumble posedown, WM5 match, Summerslam 1989 match) so to go in with his only feud to be with someone we were already sick of seeing, it didn't really make sense.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 16, 2013 7:17:56 GMT -5
I think part of the problem was that almost all the heels the WWF had at the time that could work in the main event picture had already lost to Hogan. Dibiase, Savage, Perfect, etc. all had lengthy feuds with Hogan and they lost those feuds definitively. To now try to paint them as legitimate threats against Warrior would only make him look like a weak champion compared to Hogan. The one guy they had that might've worked was Earthquake but once again Hogan hand-picked him to work a program that actually took up almost all of Warrior's reign.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 16, 2013 7:25:20 GMT -5
Logically, Earthquake murdering Hogan on the Brother Love shopw would have led him to be the challenger for Warrior's title at Summerslam. Have the grudge match with Hogan at Survivor Series.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 16, 2013 7:49:50 GMT -5
Logically, Earthquake murdering Hogan on the Brother Love shopw would have led him to be the challenger for Warrior's title at Summerslam. Have the grudge match with Hogan at Survivor Series. exactly. In fact instead of Tunney saying there would be no title rematch I'd have him say it would take place soon only for Quake to take out Hogan and be given the spot. I'd make Hogan the special guest ref though. They also could have used the IC title to come up with a new challenger if they hadn't rushed through a tourney. Have Warrior present the belt to the new champ, Mr. Perfect and then have the entire Heenan family attack him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 8:07:10 GMT -5
Would have been a good time to turn Tugboat/Typhoon if they were that strapped for contenders. Instead of having Tugboat begging people to write to the Hulkster because "I seen him and he's down, man! He wants to give up!", have him say that Hulk taught him everything he knows and he wants to challenge Warrior for the title on the Hulkster's behalf.
Then when Warrior refuses because he doesn't think Tugboat has what it takes, have a match on Superstars. Warrior gives us the assumption that he can get Hogan, Tugboat says he can find a partner, and it's Earthquake. Of course, Hogan wouldn't show ("he wouldn't be cleared to wrestle" and Warrior says he can take them both on by himself - because that would be the noble thing to do) and have Tugboat beat him. (Of course, Earthquake would have something to do with it.)
There's SummerSlam right there.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 17, 2013 2:07:33 GMT -5
By the time they got through Hulk vs. Warrior, they found they forgot to book a single dominant heel. Giving the shot to the one guy who had pinned Warrior was really all they could do.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 17, 2013 13:41:36 GMT -5
By the time they got through Hulk vs. Warrior, they found they forgot to book a single dominant heel. Giving the shot to the one guy who had pinned Warrior was really all they could do. Pretty much this. I'll add, it's also possible that Warrior's first reign was going to be a "litmus test," much like Bret Hart's first reign. Allowing heels to be built up after Warriors reign ended, so that he could come back into the title scene against fresh blood... But, with Hogan's "full time" return, & Warrior walking out, that possibility never happened. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 14:09:57 GMT -5
I agree with creature, the biggest problem was that Hogan spent most of 89 against DiBiase and Savage. The only fresh feud he had was with Bossman and he was never really a threat despite doing some huge numbers on the house show circuit. I do wonder how the WWF title scene would have differed if Barry Windham had not left because of the issues with Blacjack and Kendall. They were hinting that Windham would be going after Hogan on some of the syndicated shows.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 17, 2013 14:12:26 GMT -5
I agree with creature, the biggest problem was that Hogan spent most of 89 against DiBiase and Savage. The only fresh feud he had was with Bossman and he was never really a threat despite doing some huge numbers on the house show circuit. I do wonder how the WWF title scene would have differed if Barry Windham had not left because of the issues with Blacjack and Kendall. They were hinting that Windham would be going after Hogan on some of the syndicated shows. Every debuting heel hinted that they wanted to fight Hogan. |
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Nov 19, 2013 8:54:03 GMT -5
Would have been a good time to turn Tugboat/Typhoon if they were that strapped for contenders. Instead of having Tugboat begging people to write to the Hulkster because "I seen him and he's down, man! He wants to give up!", have him say that Hulk taught him everything he knows and he wants to challenge Warrior for the title on the Hulkster's behalf. Then when Warrior refuses because he doesn't think Tugboat has what it takes, have a match on Superstars. Warrior gives us the assumption that he can get Hogan, Tugboat says he can find a partner, and it's Earthquake. Of course, Hogan wouldn't show ("he wouldn't be cleared to wrestle" and Warrior says he can take them both on by himself - because that would be the noble thing to do) and have Tugboat beat him. (Of course, Earthquake would have something to do with it.) There's SummerSlam right there. Nothing against your idea, but that shows how dire the heel situation was if we're looking at a Warrior/Tugboat program to make Warrior's reign better. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 19, 2013 18:05:30 GMT -5
Thinking about it, it's too bad Bad News Brown left right after SummerSlam 1990, because he would've been a perfect challenger for the Warrior. Yes he had World Title programs against both Hogan and Savage before that, but that was mostly house show stuff, I don't think either feud ever had any kind of televised blow-off. Bad News could've easily argued that the last two World Champs had ducked him because they knew he was tougher then them and now is calling out the Warrior, seeing if he'll do the same.
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Post by RedSmile on Nov 19, 2013 21:05:42 GMT -5
Would have been a good time to turn Tugboat/Typhoon if they were that strapped for contenders. Instead of having Tugboat begging people to write to the Hulkster because "I seen him and he's down, man! He wants to give up!", have him say that Hulk taught him everything he knows and he wants to challenge Warrior for the title on the Hulkster's behalf. Then when Warrior refuses because he doesn't think Tugboat has what it takes, have a match on Superstars. Warrior gives us the assumption that he can get Hogan, Tugboat says he can find a partner, and it's Earthquake. Of course, Hogan wouldn't show ("he wouldn't be cleared to wrestle" and Warrior says he can take them both on by himself - because that would be the noble thing to do) and have Tugboat beat him. (Of course, Earthquake would have something to do with it.) There's SummerSlam right there. No, not Tugboat. They should've turned Jake. |
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Post by Boo! on Nov 19, 2013 21:11:11 GMT -5
Jake was too over to be turned. I'd have pushed the Warlord. He looked like an awesome WWE main-event heel of the time. Massive roidy-**** that was a good height. The match would have been TERRIBLE but this isn't the Olympics. Back then if they built him right, have him destroy jobbers on TV, do a sneak attack on the Warrior and basically make him look indestructible I think Warlord vs Warrior in summer of 1990 would have been a very drawable WWF main event. Not on the level of Hogan vs Quake but it had all the ingredients the WWE audience had shown interest in.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 19, 2013 21:13:05 GMT -5
They made the mistake of not really having anyone built up strongly enough to seem like a challenge to him once he'd beaten Hogan clean.
Why they didn't try to remedy that at some point, I have no idea.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 19, 2013 21:20:15 GMT -5
The difficulty was, I guess, that Warrior didn't do vulnerability well. Hogan is the king of the no-sell but I can also make it look as if someone is KILLING him in the ring. I've never seen Warrior down for longer than a few seconds. Even when Savage smashed him over the head with the sceptre for Slaughter to win the title I think he was out of it for the three second count and then immediately shaking and getting back on his feet.
Hogan would hulk-up once usually as a point to the finish but Warrior would 'warrior-up'evey time some landed a blow. I don't think I ever saw anyone from that time look like they were in danger of beating him.
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Post by RedSmile on Nov 19, 2013 21:20:15 GMT -5
Jake was too over to be turned. I'd have pushed the Warlord. He looked like an awesome WWE main-event heel of the time. Massive roidy-**** that was a good height. The match would have been TERRIBLE but this isn't the Olympics. Back then if they built him right, have him destroy jobbers on TV, do a sneak attack on the Warrior and basically make him look indestructible I think Warlord vs Warrior in summer of 1990 would have been a very drawable WWF main event. Not on the level of Hogan vs Quake but it had all the ingredients the WWE audience had shown interest in. I don't believe I have ever read the phrase "I'd push the Warlord (to the main event)" from anyone. I'm bewildered. |
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Post by Boo! on Nov 19, 2013 21:24:25 GMT -5
Jake was too over to be turned. I'd have pushed the Warlord. He looked like an awesome WWE main-event heel of the time. Massive roidy-**** that was a good height. The match would have been TERRIBLE but this isn't the Olympics. Back then if they built him right, have him destroy jobbers on TV, do a sneak attack on the Warrior and basically make him look indestructible I think Warlord vs Warrior in summer of 1990 would have been a very drawable WWF main event. Not on the level of Hogan vs Quake but it had all the ingredients the WWE audience had shown interest in. I don't believe I have ever read the phrase "I'd push the Warlord (to the main event)" from anyone. I'm bewildered. Well it would have made sense. He looked the part, Warrior could have realistically sold for him and made him seem like a genuine threat. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 19, 2013 21:26:56 GMT -5
Jake was too over to be turned. He was no less over a year later when he actually did do the turn. Granted the whole "blinded by Martel" angle might've made him too sympathetic for a heel turn, but no less so then the whole "Earthquake squashed Damien" angle they did right before Jake's actual turn that had a ton more potential to make money but instead just quietly petered out without any real resolution. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 19, 2013 21:29:34 GMT -5
Jake was too over to be turned. I'd have pushed the Warlord. He looked like an awesome WWE main-event heel of the time. Massive roidy-**** that was a good height. The match would have been TERRIBLE but this isn't the Olympics. Back then if they built him right, have him destroy jobbers on TV, do a sneak attack on the Warrior and basically make him look indestructible I think Warlord vs Warrior in summer of 1990 would have been a very drawable WWF main event. Not on the level of Hogan vs Quake but it had all the ingredients the WWE audience had shown interest in. I don't believe I have ever read the phrase "I'd push the Warlord (to the main event)" from anyone. I'm bewildered. In fairness, it coulda worked as at least a stop-gap sorta feud; especially for that era. You'd totally have to build it around the spectacle, as the match itself would be the drizzling shits, but two big roided up monsters clashing back then would have made at least some sense. |
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Post by RedSmile on Nov 19, 2013 21:30:05 GMT -5
I don't believe I have ever read the phrase "I'd push the Warlord (to the main event)" from anyone. I'm bewildered. Well it would have made sense. He looked the part, Warrior could have realistically sold for him and made him seem like a genuine threat. Except that Warlord had very little talent, and it would have resulted in a shitty feud with shitty matches. You would have had better luck with Bossman or Akeem. EDIT: Now that I think about it, didn't Warrior feud with Dibiase, somewhere in there? |
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