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Post by fw91 on Nov 17, 2013 20:04:14 GMT -5
How can Sheamus not fit the bill? 90% of people would have bet their live savings on Jericho winning that year. thread is about unsolidified stars, not last suprise
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 17, 2013 20:12:25 GMT -5
How can Sheamus not fit the bill? 90% of people would have bet their live savings on Jericho winning that year. thread is about unsolidified stars, not last suprise Even then, I wouldn't call Sheamus solidified. Although he was a two-time WWE champion, he was treated as an upper mid-carder until he won the Rumble and had that long run with the WHC.
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Post by RedSmile on Nov 17, 2013 22:40:24 GMT -5
Yokozuna. Pretty much an unknown guy prior to his win. I don't even remember if he even had a feud prior to his Rumble win.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Nov 18, 2013 8:16:25 GMT -5
Yokozuna. Pretty much an unknown guy prior to his win. I don't even remember if he even had a feud prior to his Rumble win. This is what I came in here to say, too.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 18, 2013 9:15:08 GMT -5
Del Rio is the example of it falling flat on it's face. The crowd was mostly dead when he won rumble and he's been floundering over the past 2 years. He was booed when he won the first time... the crowd deflated because they went nuts because they thought Santino won it... also I was at the Smackdown immediately following and he was booed out of the building. He only really started to fail when they had him lose at Wrestlemania and give the same promo about Destiny for like a year.
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Post by sunnytaker on Nov 18, 2013 12:46:14 GMT -5
i would say someone who won the last royal rumble before they changed the rules to getting a title shot at wrestlemania. back then anyone had a shot since it was just a bragging point (Hacksaw Jim Duggan). now every year it comes down to maybe 3 or 4 possibilities because a wrestlemania title match is on the line so only the top guys have any sort of shot. i think that was why the Santino tease got such a huge reaction because it called back to the early days when anyone COULD win it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 18, 2013 12:59:03 GMT -5
Del Rio and Batista are a great way to examine how, if you're going to give it to a guy who isn't established yet, you should at least make it clear that you actually are going to establish them this way. Batista wasn't "the man" yet but it was obvious that's what they were going for with his Rumble victoy, and it worked. Del Rio wasn't "the man" either but they did a god-awful job of building him so his victory looked like a bizarre fluke by a midcarder.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 18, 2013 12:59:58 GMT -5
An argument could be made for Sheamus. He had already been WWE champion, but they were from two fluke wins, and his reigns meant nothing. He had spend the previous year plus as a total afterthought in the midcard most of the time. His Rumble win finally confirmed that he was a main event mainstay. and then at WM 28 WWE promptly nearly ruined his career with the "18 seconds" fiasco.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 18, 2013 15:33:55 GMT -5
i would say someone who won the last royal rumble before they changed the rules to getting a title shot at wrestlemania. back then anyone had a shot since it was just a bragging point (Hacksaw Jim Duggan). now every year it comes down to maybe 3 or 4 possibilities because a wrestlemania title match is on the line so only the top guys have any sort of shot. i think that was why the Santino tease got such a huge reaction because it called back to the early days when anyone COULD win it. Think I've said this before, but dear God, were I in charge of WWE booking (and you should all thank Zeus I'm not) one of my first acts would be to remove the "Rumble winner gets a WM title shot" stipulation. For one thing, as this thread shows the stipulation removes nearly all possible elements of surprise. You CAN'T have somebody unexpected win the Rumble, because you're banking at least a chunk of your WM buyrate on having a high-end main event title match. Plus, as a fan, I always hated that winning the Rumble was somehow a reason to earn a title match at the biggest show of the year. Maybe if a guy who drew #1 through #5 or so won it, sure, that's a great performance and endurance test, but most winners draw in the mid 20's (which makes the "he went through 29 other men!" talking point so obnoxious). "But HMark!", you might say (or type, I dunno), "sometimes the winner curtain jerks, merely challenging for the World Heavyweight belt instead of the WWE belt!" Ah, but then what's the big damn deal about the Rumble at all? If the hype is "you'll main event Wrestlemania if you win", then guys just turn around and curtain jerk for the obviously lesser title, then the whole purpose of the stipulation is defeated, anyway. Point is, the Rumble really isn't that exciting, and I think the stipulation is the biggest reason why.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 18, 2013 16:31:57 GMT -5
Yeah I will agree with Sheamus, no one had him as a favorite to win it going in. Everyone assumed Jericho was going to win the Rumble. The new WWE video game actually says "Chris Jericho won the Royal Rumble in order to face CM Punk for the WWE Title". That's a reality I can get behind. And yeah, I guess it depends on what "unsolidified" really means. Sheamus already had a WWE Championship run before that Royal Rumble, but it was pretty much a flop and Batista was with Evolution and a pretty big deal (helping to beat The Rock at WrestleMania) but had never been champion at that time. I think Rey Mysterio counts as much as anyone else since he really started being a big deal in 2005.
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