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Post by BV on Nov 25, 2013 0:31:50 GMT -5
Orton and Show have had some quality matches in the past, notably on SD when Orton was just chugging out good matches week after week. It didn't click at all tonight. Add in a crowd that had no desire to see it and a bad stip, it all equals failure.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Nov 25, 2013 2:22:08 GMT -5
Just watched it. Chants are: "DANIEL BRYAN" "BOOOOORING" "WE WANT BRYAN" "RANDY'S FRAGILE" "DANIEL BRYAN"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 2:42:24 GMT -5
The ref bump that did nothing was... I'll get back to you... It was a nod toward the pointless ref bump in the Night of Champions match. It's all building up to a ref bump that actually goes somewhere.
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Post by TCM on Nov 25, 2013 2:45:34 GMT -5
I mean, the Punt made its return. That was cool.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 25, 2013 9:47:38 GMT -5
The "no interference" thing was a bad idea because a crazy overbooked main event brawl was the only way face Show vs. heel Orton was going to be any good. They made the same mistake in the HHH vs Orton WM main-event but clearly haven't learnt from it. I've said this before but why would you pay to see Orton in the main-event? You just get a boring match followed by a screwy finish, not even the good kind of dodgy finish that the likes of JBL or even Bo f***ing Dallas have managed down the years but a lame distraction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 10:05:41 GMT -5
The match itself was a real clunker, but that finish was the least creative thing they've done in a while.
HHH music hits, Big Show stares at him for 45 seconds straight, then gets RKO'd.
I get looking back and seeing who it is (even though it was HHH's music), but staring at him for way too long just made no sense.
Then Cena coming out and intimidating Orton? Or whatever .... it made no sense and put an awkward cap on a crappy match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 10:13:04 GMT -5
I didn't hate it as much as others did, but it was pretty...okay? At best?
The last 1/3 of it was awful though, pointless and stupid. You can't keep playing the "no interference! Definite undisputed champion!" card to...have ANOTHER PPV distraction/interference finish.
I mean, I loved the Extreme Rules match with face Orton vs heel monster Show so I honestly was hoping for the best and this main event just didn't cut it.
Let's be honest, the last few PPVs have felt like sub-par Raws, I mean, they've all had 2/3 good - great matches but eh, why pay for THAT?
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Post by Gummydavidson on Nov 25, 2013 16:34:37 GMT -5
It could of been a lot worse.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 25, 2013 16:35:59 GMT -5
Authority comes out, distracts Show, allowing Orton to hit the RKO and punt on him for the pinfall. Basically the same kind of thing we've been getting for months. Though they tried to swerve us into thinking we might actually get to see a clean finish to end a PPV for once. Except they telegraphed it so hard by hammering in the no physical interference! line.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 25, 2013 16:40:40 GMT -5
Fans - "We want Miss Springfield!"
WWE - "OK, here she is....LITTLE Miss Springfield!"
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Post by kamero00 on Nov 25, 2013 16:44:44 GMT -5
Crowd seemed like they were almost going to get into it for the Randy DDT with Big Show's feet on the top rope, but just before he it the DDT, Big Show bailed and put his feet on the mat, and the crowed started to crap all over the match again.
I don't get how they think people want to see Big Show in the main event.
Replace Show with: Ziggler, Christian, Punk, Bryan, Caesaro, Rhodes, RVD, Henry and it works. Crowds have cheered for all those guys more than Big Show recently.
Say what you want about Miz's title run, it was never crapped on like that. Granted he faced much stronger face's than Orton.
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 25, 2013 16:59:43 GMT -5
It could of been a lot worse. When you expect people to pay $44.95 for that match in the main event, that's not something you should even think about saying.
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Post by metylerca on Nov 25, 2013 17:01:53 GMT -5
I just love that all the people desperately trolling and trying to convince everyone that Big Show was just as "over" as Bryan was are now eating a heaping plate of crow. Save the beak for last, guys. It's the hardest part to digest. To be fair, the majority of those people were HHH/Vince themselves. Plus Dunn, Steph, Hunner, Hunter, Vinny Mac, Paul, Vincent, Kevin, Mr. Levesque, Mr. McMahon, Mr. Levesque-McMahon, etc.
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Post by Razor Gives It A 4/10 on Nov 25, 2013 17:34:33 GMT -5
Fun Fact: The Orton/Show match lasted 11:10 In comparison, the Divas match lasted 11:33
The main event of the PPV was the 3rd SHORTEST match on the card.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 25, 2013 17:36:04 GMT -5
See I side with Orton and think the fans are pricks. He is what a heel should be. A heel SHOULD kill the crowd because that's when they (supposed to) get behind the babyface.
It's not Orton that's the problem it's the fans with their "A wrestling move? BOO!" attitude.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 25, 2013 17:56:48 GMT -5
See I side with Orton and think the fans are pricks. He is what a heel should be. A heel SHOULD kill the crowd because that's when they (supposed to) get behind the babyface. It's not Orton that's the problem it's the fans with their "A wrestling move? BOO!" attitude. No one should ever kill the crowd. A heel should make them hot and a face should make them pop. A heel who creates a lull with a resthold or stalling outside the ring is ok to build anticipation for a face comeback but they should never kill the crowd dead like on Sunday.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 25, 2013 18:25:22 GMT -5
See I side with Orton and think the fans are pricks. He is what a heel should be. A heel SHOULD kill the crowd because that's when they (supposed to) get behind the babyface. It's not Orton that's the problem it's the fans with their "A wrestling move? BOO!" attitude. No one should ever kill the crowd. A heel should make them hot and a face should make them pop. A heel who creates a lull with a resthold or stalling outside the ring is ok to build anticipation for a face comeback but they should never kill the crowd dead like on Sunday. Yeah, Killing the crowd is exactly the opposite of what the heel wants... they want the crowd to boo them so that when they get their comeuppance later the face looks like the hero who shut the jerk up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 18:28:22 GMT -5
I think if the tag match was given the main event slot, the participants would have worked a bit harder to make it a more climactic finish I think. Since they knew they were the match before the main event, they might have slowed themselves down a touch. I'm not saying the tag match wasn't going to be a 5 star classic, but it would have been a good enough match to main event. For the last point, I think the show should end with who the fans want to see more. In this case it was Bryan. Nothing wrong with the WWE title program being on the backburner for a ppv or 2. It doesn't matter how much effort was put into the match. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan vs two lackeys is arguably not PPV worthy, let alone PPV main event material.
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Post by BRV on Nov 25, 2013 18:30:50 GMT -5
Fun Fact: The Orton/Show match lasted 11:10 In comparison, the Divas match lasted 11:33 The main event of the PPV was the 3rd SHORTEST match on the card. True. The match was awful and had a predictably terrible ending, but at least it was relatively quick and painless. (NOTE - It was not painless. It felt like an eternity watching it live.) Imagine if they tried to give those two 20 minutes.
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