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Post by machomuta on Nov 26, 2013 18:45:08 GMT -5
Good for you. I wish all the haters were like you. Watching something you hate are imo pretty stupid and doesnt make any sense at all. Look at it like watching your hometown sports team. It is more like watching a TV show. You cant really compared it to a sports team. WWE is not really the only game in town. There are a lot of indys to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 18:48:44 GMT -5
I swear this thread title was "It's been 3 years" a few hours ago.
........Y'SEE?!? THIS IS HOW TIME WORKS REGARDING CENA/ORTON!
Tomorrow morning and it'll have been 10 years!
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 26, 2013 18:52:23 GMT -5
Look at it like watching your hometown sports team. It is more like watching a TV show. You cant really compared it to a sports team. WWE is not really the only game in town. There are a lot of indys to follow. Ok, fine, if it was a TV show, Cena is the main hero and Orton, the main villain. This show has been on the air for 8 seasons, but instead of the standard 13/22 episodes a season, this one has 96 episodes a season (only counting Raw and Smackdown, not PPVS). Kind of stale, don't you think? Indies are not on easily accessible TV. WWE won the war, they have all the tv time, but they have to deliver. If I was a shareholder, I would be upset they aren't trying to move forward and are content with their holding pattern. I would've sold my stocks in 09.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 26, 2013 18:54:22 GMT -5
I don't think the negative reaction to Cena/Orton is necessarily because of a feeling that they just had a recent feud/match.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 26, 2013 18:59:17 GMT -5
I think the reasons people are complaining about Cena/Orton again aren't how recently they feuded so much as:
-Neither of them's really changed or evolved over the last four years (well, Orton has, but now he's back where he started), so the dynamic's exactly the same as it used to be. -People didn't like their matches together in the first place.
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Post by jjdash on Nov 26, 2013 20:00:29 GMT -5
Then dont watch it. I love how people are bitching about WWE being stale and yet they are still watching it every week. Funnily enough, I don't. When Cena or Orton are on I watch something else. I am seeing the glass half full... Now that they will be feuding with each other, you will only have to skip through one feud.
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Post by Germansuplex on Nov 27, 2013 4:07:39 GMT -5
OP is right. Also, Cena and Orton feuded with about everybody else on the roster in the meantime (just look at the millions of Cena/Punk or Orton/Bryan matches). If they don't bring back one of the part-timers (Lesnar or Taker), there simply aren't other fresh feuds for both guys without turning them.
Also, their matches weren't bad in the first place. They can't be worse than their title matches last sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 5:23:07 GMT -5
The Orton/Cena feud was done to death to such a degree in 2009 that I honestly could wait 10 years and STILL not want to see another match between the pair.
Think about it, they had an I Quit match, Hell in a Cell match and then a 60 minute Ironman match. In any other sane world these two would be DONE by now. But because it's the WWE, they ended up having a match at the 2009 Slammy Awards, then a tables match the following year, and now a TLC match.
It's like the WWE isn't content until these two literally compete in every match-type known to man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 5:29:41 GMT -5
It's been seven years since the last Triple H / Shawn Michaels feud. It's still happened so many times and largely not been anything special that I never want to see it again, and that's taking into account that their matches just go too long and try too hard to be dramatic, every Cena / Orton match is outright awful. The best match Cena and Orton have ever had was the one where Cena spent the whole thing chained up being beaten to shit only to win out of nowhere with like three moves, and that's mostly just enjoyable for how rapey it was.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 27, 2013 5:34:13 GMT -5
The Orton/Cena feud was done to death to such a degree in 2009 that I honestly could wait 10 years and STILL not want to see another match between the pair. Think about it, they had an I Quit match, Hell in a Cell match and then a 60 minute Ironman match. In any other sane world these two would be DONE by now. But because it's the WWE, they ended up having a match at the 2009 Slammy Awards, then a tables match the following year, and now a TLC match. It's like the WWE isn't content until these two literally compete in every match-type known to man. Evening Gown match? Hog Pen match? Duchess of Queensbury Rules match? Punjabi Prison match? King of the Road match? The possibilities are endless.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 27, 2013 6:34:23 GMT -5
They last feuded in 2009. 2009 to 2013 is four years.That's right, fellow forumites, we are now at the point where our forumites can't even all agree on how numbers add up, let alone which wrestler is best.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 27, 2013 6:35:53 GMT -5
I swear this thread title was "It's been 3 years" a few hours ago. ........Y'SEE?!? THIS IS HOW TIME WORKS REGARDING CENA/ORTON! Tomorrow morning and it'll have been 10 years! It was 13 years ago, let it go.
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Post by thirteen3 on Nov 27, 2013 6:53:40 GMT -5
4 years isn't a long time.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 27, 2013 6:58:09 GMT -5
I think 4 years doesn't seem like a long time when the two guys involved have barely been off TV that entire time.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 27, 2013 7:06:19 GMT -5
I don't think people would mind a return to that feud as much if they were two guys with great chemistry together, if there was some real intensity going into their matches, but there just isn't. It's not Austin versus Hart, Hart versus Michaels, Austin versus Vince and so on, there's no fire there, it's just revisiting a feud that wasn't interesting to begin with, featuring one guy who the company ran into the ground versus the epitome of 'this guy is a star because we say he is!' booking.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Nov 27, 2013 7:08:03 GMT -5
How did the IWC take it when Austin and Rock faced each other in matches in 97, 98 (I think), 99, 2000 (if you count the 6 man hell in a cell match), 2001 and 2003?
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Post by mrjl on Nov 27, 2013 7:10:15 GMT -5
The Orton/Cena feud was done to death to such a degree in 2009 that I honestly could wait 10 years and STILL not want to see another match between the pair. Think about it, they had an I Quit match, Hell in a Cell match and then a 60 minute Ironman match. In any other sane world these two would be DONE by now. But because it's the WWE, they ended up having a match at the 2009 Slammy Awards, then a tables match the following year, and now a TLC match. It's like the WWE isn't content until these two literally compete in every match-type known to man. not that their skill in between the ropes is equal but Ric Flair feuded with guys like Steamboat and Dusty for DECADES
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 7:19:02 GMT -5
How did the IWC take it when Austin and Rock faced each other in matches in 97, 98 (I think), 99, 2000 (if you count the 6 man hell in a cell match), 2001 and 2003? After the Rumble in 1998 they were largely separated, in 1999 they really only faced each other up until Backlash and then usually if they interacted it was as loose allies, the Hell in a Cell was much more about Austin / Triple H / Rikishi and Taker / Angle with Rock essentially as filler, in 2001 the dynamic had changed so that they were initially both faces and then Austin was the heel, and in 2003 they had one match as opposed to facing each other on five PPVs like Orton and Cena did in 2007 and 2009, with three more in 2008 and two in 2010 with them heavily interacting with each other within another couple matches. To say nothing of the fact that the Rock / Austin matches were actually good and, even if outside of his Hollywood days I've never been a fan of him, Rock is leagues ahead of Orton as a heel.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 27, 2013 7:19:41 GMT -5
For you, the day Cena and Orton last wrestled was over four years ago. But for me, it was last Tuesday.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 27, 2013 7:49:37 GMT -5
There's also no demand for it. That's the big thing. If it felt big and people were craving it, it would be smart business. But no one cares and every time its teased, crowds are apathetic.
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