mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Nov 27, 2013 15:40:13 GMT -5
I think Austin was turned heel because they'd wanted him heel and he'd only been turned back face by virtue of him being WWF. I don't think Jericho or Rock should have been WCW.
I'd have had the former ECW guys join, call it WCW Extreme. No Steph, just Heyman signing on with Shane and convincing his former guys to join up. Test would be the only WWF guy with no WCW history to join them. Big Show and X-Pac should have signed on. Hell, they should have added Haku
And Rhyno was there until the final month of the angle. That's just under a quarter of it Considering it took top WWF guys like Angle to beat him he was kind of a big deal.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Nov 27, 2013 15:48:00 GMT -5
As soon as they bought WCW on March 23rd, they should have dropped all plans to turn Austin heel. They had the biggest storyline of all time suddenly fall into their laps. There's no way that anything else should have taken priority over it. A more flexible creative team would have realized this.
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Post by RBD on Nov 27, 2013 16:46:40 GMT -5
I think they could've sold it it storyline terms with a bit more effort. Austin had already shown that he was willing to ally with his worst enemy in Mr McMahon in order to fulfill his need to be WWF Champion. I could believe that his hatred of Mr McMahon could be so great that he would be willing to put his history with WCW aside to defy Vince.
From a booking standpoint, I have no idea why they chose to turn him heel again so soon after the difficulties in getting the fans to boo him during the Power Trip angle.
Personally, I think I would've kept him unaffiliated with any of the three organizations for as long as possible and played up his history with all three. There was so much history tied up in that angle that the storylines should've essentially written themselves.
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 27, 2013 16:49:31 GMT -5
As soon as they bought WCW on March 23rd, they should have dropped all plans to turn Austin heel. They had the biggest storyline of all time suddenly fall into their laps. There's no way that anything else should have taken priority over it. A more flexible creative team would have realized this. I kind of disagree. I don't think they really knew at that time when and how the WCW angle would begin, and initially too the plan was to keep WCW separate as it's own brand in the spiritual precursor to the RAW/SD split. What really f***ed them over was Triple H's quad injury, as the basic plan was to split up Rock/Austin/Triple H/Undertaker so that 2 would be on one show and 2 would be on the other show.
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Lancers
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Post by Lancers on Nov 27, 2013 16:53:33 GMT -5
If I start writing about my thoughts on Austin and the Alliance, it's gonna take three hours for me to vent out my frustrations over, unquestionably in my eyes, the best (or worst) example of the company taking a golden opportunity and smearing shit all over it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 27, 2013 17:51:47 GMT -5
If I start writing about my thoughts on Austin anod the Alliance, it's gonna take three hours for me to vent out my frustrations over, unquestionably in my eyes, the best (or worst) example of the company taking a golden opportunity and smearing shit all over it. Off topic, but this is why I say the WWE video games continues to suck and still sells. Wrestling fans are more than used to getting fed shit and dealing anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 7:30:31 GMT -5
Go back even further: Why have "the Alliance" at all? A huge part of ECW's appeal was that it spoke to fans who were sick of mainstream wrestling in general, and Paul Heyman was never very quiet about his opinions concerning WCW. Having the two team up was just abject silliness. Agreed, and that's when I checked out for a time. It made no sense having ECW make the charge to the ring and...hug it out with WCW. I saw this as a big kick in the nuts to fans that cared about ECW, and mentally, I stopped caring about wrestling for awhile. Why not have all three groups just feuding with each other?
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Nov 28, 2013 10:22:39 GMT -5
Go back even further: Why have "the Alliance" at all? A huge part of ECW's appeal was that it spoke to fans who were sick of mainstream wrestling in general, and Paul Heyman was never very quiet about his opinions concerning WCW. Having the two team up was just abject silliness. Agreed, and that's when I checked out for a time. It made no sense having ECW make the charge to the ring and...hug it out with WCW. I saw this as a big kick in the nuts to fans that cared about ECW, and mentally, I stopped caring about wrestling for awhile. Why not have all three groups just feuding with each other? because then WCW gets even more buried. Because the ECW guys brought in or already there had more talent than the WCW guys brought in in general. Honestly, the idea that Heyman was this rebel is ridiculous. He was a man who made do with what he had available to him and then made people think that was what he wanted. His brief booking strategy in WWE and his talk of what he would do with TNA show that he didn't consider his ECW stuff the be all end all of wrestling the way some ECW fans thought it was. Heyman and the ECW guys who jumped to the Alliance had already "sold out" to WWF and the guys who Heyman had a problem with in WCW were long gone. Allying with WCW gave them a better chance to screw over the WWF guys they didn't like and prevent Vince from just going something like "I don't have time to deal with you now, you're all fired."
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 28, 2013 11:23:11 GMT -5
I am laughing at anyone who thinks HHH would have added anything beneficial to the Invasion whatsoever. Vince was already hell bent on burying the WCW guys, so HHH being there gives him the uber guy who enjoys burying people. If anything HHH being around would probably stop some of the guys who did get over (RVD for instance) from getting over.
Truth be told they had no idea what to do with any of this. It was a chaotic period in wrestling. The WWF already had their own WM plans they were building to, yet bought WCW almost right before that PPV! So now they had to somehow switch directions entirely and come up with a huge new storyline involving some not especially big WCW stars, book an Invasion on the fly, etc. The plan to turn Austin at WM was always a terrible idea, even if Austin was brilliant in his heel role in 2001. It just wasn't a storyline people wanted to see. The 2 months post WM in 2001 really wrecked their business. I recall going to a SD in Oct. 2000 and the arena was sold out. Then I went back for another SD taping in May 2001...and they had to tarp off the upper deck.
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