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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Nov 29, 2013 11:19:34 GMT -5
Ambrose for me, Rollins and Reigns both stand out and have been very entertaining. Ambrose is just kind of there...
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Post by MGH on Nov 29, 2013 12:37:55 GMT -5
Rollins is the worst. Not just in the Shield. Just in general.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 12:43:51 GMT -5
I don't see what Rollins really brings to the table. Can he work a match? Sure, but so can 95 percent of the guys on the roster. Does he have a superstar look? Eh. Not particularly. Does he have sex appeal? Not really. And if he does, Reigns and Ambrose certainly overshadow him if female discussion on here is anything to go by. Is he a good talker? Nope. Does he have charisma? Very little.
"Weak link" is putting it lightly.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 29, 2013 12:46:39 GMT -5
There isn't one.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Nov 29, 2013 13:40:51 GMT -5
There's a reason Reigns gets the least single matches of the group. Dude has great, Batista-like potential, but Ambrose is clearly slotted to be a top heel for years to come, and Rollins is the next Jeff Hardy in my eyes. As of now, its Reigns. We'll see in a few years, though.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 29, 2013 13:48:45 GMT -5
They're all great and I can't decide, so I'm going to say Rollins because he has a prepubescent voice.
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Post by Cry Baby on Nov 29, 2013 14:05:29 GMT -5
I'd have to say Reigns. I love it every time Ambrose opens his mouth and Rollins in the best in ring, imo - ever since that ladder spot at TLC, I've loved him. Reigns is just... Yeah, he looks great and his spear's pretty awesome but during Survivor Series I just found myself going, "Oh and look... Another spear. Great. How interesting." It's already getting boring for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 15:26:53 GMT -5
I don't see what Rollins really brings to the table. Can he work a match? Sure, but so can 95 percent of the guys on the roster. Does he have a superstar look? Eh. Not particularly. Does he have sex appeal? Not really. And if he does, Reigns and Ambrose certainly overshadow him if female discussion on here is anything to go by. Is he a good talker? Nope. Does he have charisma? Very little. "Weak link" is putting it lightly. I get what you're going with, bu no, 95% of the guys on roster CANNOT work a match. If they did, we'd have mostly good matches. We do not. If they can, then Reigns is in the 5% that can't. Which is why he wrestles the least of the 3 and mainly does restholds, stomps, and spears jobbers. You've been around for a while, you've seen "accent strengths, hide weaknesses". They're hiding reign's weakness. Which quite frankly, is wrestling. And that's fine. I think Rollins is the most important member because he's the one that contributes the most to the almost meme status of "The shield match will always be good". It isn't Ambrose or Reigns making that happen. I'm a bit disappointed Rollins has the most votes. Not because I'm some fanboy for Rollins, I don't give a shit either way. But because I think a lot of people (including you) are pretty analytical smarks and know better. Hope you don't think I'm calling you out for being stupid or something, I'm not. If it comes off that way, I don't mean it to be. For the record, once again the Shield needs all 3 members and replacing one with someone else isn't the same. They're a great group and all add things in their own way. Rollins adds 40%, Ambrose adds 30%, Reigns adds 30%. That's what I'm going for here. Not "Reigns is garbage". He's somewhat green, that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 15:37:45 GMT -5
Kayfabe: Rollins Non Kayfabe: Reigns Amazing summation.
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Post by edgestar on Nov 29, 2013 16:17:26 GMT -5
They all have their own charm.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 18:19:43 GMT -5
I don't see what Rollins really brings to the table. Can he work a match? Sure, but so can 95 percent of the guys on the roster. Does he have a superstar look? Eh. Not particularly. Does he have sex appeal? Not really. And if he does, Reigns and Ambrose certainly overshadow him if female discussion on here is anything to go by. Is he a good talker? Nope. Does he have charisma? Very little. "Weak link" is putting it lightly. I get what you're going with, bu no, 95% of the guys on roster CANNOT work a match. If they did, we'd have mostly good matches. We do not. If they can, then Reigns is in the 5% that can't. Which is why he wrestles the least of the 3 and mainly does restholds, stomps, and spears jobbers. You've been around for a while, you've seen "accent strengths, hide weaknesses". They're hiding reign's weakness. Which quite frankly, is wrestling. And that's fine. I think Rollins is the most important member because he's the one that contributes the most to the almost meme status of "The shield match will always be good". It isn't Ambrose or Reigns making that happen. I'm a bit disappointed Rollins has the most votes. Not because I'm some fanboy for Rollins, I don't give a shit either way. But because I think a lot of people (including you) are pretty analytical smarks and know better. Hope you don't think I'm calling you out for being stupid or something, I'm not. If it comes off that way, I don't mean it to be. For the record, once again the Shield needs all 3 members and replacing one with someone else isn't the same. They're a great group and all add things in their own way. Rollins adds 40%, Ambrose adds 30%, Reigns adds 30%. That's what I'm going for here. Not "Reigns is garbage". He's somewhat green, that's all. I definitely don't take offense, and I 100 percent get what you're saying. The reason we don't have matches that blow people away is, I think, mostly because of the story being told (most matches are very generic, and no matter the spots, tend to be very similar from one to the next). I'd say that yes, most guys can work in the ring, because if they didn't, guys would be getting the same kind of flak that a hack like Eva Marie gets from the crowd. With rare exceptions, they don't. And the crowd is usually willing to look past certain foibles if the person's ring psychology or charisma makes up for shortcomings in the ring. Look at Ryback. I'm pretty sure I remember you as being one person who wasn't impressed with his ring work (I sure wasn't) but he was good enough to sustain his main event push with strong fan responses until WWE started booking him like a wuss. The fans didn't dump on him in spite of his weaknesses. Whether it was on his own merits or not, it was enough to excite people. And it worked pretty well until the abrupt halt. That's why I don't think Reigns, Rollins or Ambrose are weak in the ring. Reigns has a very simple moveset, but it's enough to get the crowd excited--for now. As an individual wrestler, he's not ready yet, but I don't think WWE will want to wait too long because his popularity is like boiling water in a sealed pot. It's bubbling over, getting ready to explode, and pulling that lid off at just the right moment could (key word there, not "will") give them that "Next Batista" they were looking for. I think that ring work is something where it is the single most important part of wrestling, but being an amazing ringworker vs being a good ringworker isn't as decisive as being an amazing talker vs being a good talker. Once you hit a certain point, you don't usually need to be that much better for the fans to take interest. On the other hand, if you're both a good talker and a good ring worker, you're almost guaranteed to be a star (i.e. Punk and Bryan).
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Post by dersulbob on Nov 29, 2013 20:49:48 GMT -5
Ambrose has been by far the weakest in my eyes. Rollins has provided the best ring work of the three, Reigns has the presence and the look, and he probably gets the best crowd response of the three. I'm not sure what Ambrose has to compare with them. Sure, he can talk, but even then I feel his promo skills are overrated. Certainly there's been nothing he's done since joining the main roster that's been that impressive.
That isn't to say he's bad or anything, but I don't feel he's on par with his team-mates at this time. Having said that, if the Shield were to split today, I think it's Rollins who would struggle most to make a name for himself as a singles competitor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 21:12:45 GMT -5
I get what you're going with, bu no, 95% of the guys on roster CANNOT work a match. If they did, we'd have mostly good matches. We do not. If they can, then Reigns is in the 5% that can't. Which is why he wrestles the least of the 3 and mainly does restholds, stomps, and spears jobbers. You've been around for a while, you've seen "accent strengths, hide weaknesses". They're hiding reign's weakness. Which quite frankly, is wrestling. And that's fine. I think Rollins is the most important member because he's the one that contributes the most to the almost meme status of "The shield match will always be good". It isn't Ambrose or Reigns making that happen. I'm a bit disappointed Rollins has the most votes. Not because I'm some fanboy for Rollins, I don't give a shit either way. But because I think a lot of people (including you) are pretty analytical smarks and know better. Hope you don't think I'm calling you out for being stupid or something, I'm not. If it comes off that way, I don't mean it to be. For the record, once again the Shield needs all 3 members and replacing one with someone else isn't the same. They're a great group and all add things in their own way. Rollins adds 40%, Ambrose adds 30%, Reigns adds 30%. That's what I'm going for here. Not "Reigns is garbage". He's somewhat green, that's all. I definitely don't take offense, and I 100 percent get what you're saying. The reason we don't have matches that blow people away is, I think, mostly because of the story being told (most matches are very generic, and no matter the spots, tend to be very similar from one to the next). I'd say that yes, most guys can work in the ring, because if they didn't, guys would be getting the same kind of flak that a hack like Eva Marie gets from the crowd. With rare exceptions, they don't. And the crowd is usually willing to look past certain foibles if the person's ring psychology or charisma makes up for shortcomings in the ring. Look at Ryback. I'm pretty sure I remember you as being one person who wasn't impressed with his ring work (I sure wasn't) but he was good enough to sustain his main event push with strong fan responses until WWE started booking him like a wuss. The fans didn't dump on him in spite of his weaknesses. Whether it was on his own merits or not, it was enough to excite people. And it worked pretty well until the abrupt halt. That's why I don't think Reigns, Rollins or Ambrose are weak in the ring. Reigns has a very simple moveset, but it's enough to get the crowd excited--for now. As an individual wrestler, he's not ready yet, but I don't think WWE will want to wait too long because his popularity is like boiling water in a sealed pot. It's bubbling over, getting ready to explode, and pulling that lid off at just the right moment could (key word there, not "will") give them that "Next Batista" they were looking for. I think that ring work is something where it is the single most important part of wrestling, but being an amazing ringworker vs being a good ringworker isn't as decisive as being an amazing talker vs being a good talker. Once you hit a certain point, you don't usually need to be that much better for the fans to take interest. On the other hand, if you're both a good talker and a good ring worker, you're almost guaranteed to be a star (i.e. Punk and Bryan). That's true, after all, in the best part of Hogans career he had a limited moveset mainly based on working the crowd and he'll be marked down amongst the greats. Ditto with the Rock, stronger moves than Hogan but maybe not by so much. So just depends on how much you want to mark in the almighty workrate. Workrate DOES matter, but the truth is somewhere in between when it comes to how much it matters.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 29, 2013 21:20:41 GMT -5
I vote Reigns. He's good for those big crazy spots, like when he spears guys through the barricade. But compared to the other two he doesn't really add a whole lot more outside of being the powerhouse staple of the group.
That's not a knock on him though. He's just not as good as the other two right now.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 29, 2013 21:23:35 GMT -5
Ambrose, he has done nothing compared to the other two imo.
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