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Post by Greer on Nov 29, 2013 22:26:45 GMT -5
I see many on the board clamoring for a King of the Ring return and I just don't see the big deal. Really think about how many guys the King of the Ring has really made a big deal.
Bret- Was already a former champion and didn't really need it Owen- Gained something from the King of the Ring because it gave him a reason to continue his feud with Bret Mabel- Was just used as a big bad heel for Diesel to mow down Austin- Got mileage out of it but didn't do anything for months after HHH- Did nothing with it until DX formed and still wasn't really over until he became the leader of DX Shamrock- Nothin. Billy Gunn- Rock promo Kurt Angle- Didn't need it and was plenty over at that point Edge- Did nothing until 2002 and still didn't become the big star until 2005/2006 Brock- Was already being pushed as a huge deal and didn't need it Booker- Created a very funny character Regal- Way past his prime and didn't really mean much Sheamus- Went on a huge losing streak and didn't become a big time player until 2 years later
I really only see Austin and Owen as guys the tournament really made a big deal. On top of that, it creates a lot of short matches, BYE's and filler. Much like the Survivor Series Deadly Game tournament, you have a bunch of jobbers and mid carders with 1 or 2 real contenders. Seems like a blah event to me, much like a RAW.
I really enjoyed the 1993 event because those matches were long, the participants were mostly great (Bigelow, Perfect, Bret, Razor), there were fewer contenders and the announcers (Heenan, JR, Savage) were great and knew how to put over the event.
You could say that the past 6 or 7 tournaments were pretty forgettable. This isn't a knock on it or anything. Just don't see the big deal to bring it back.
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Post by cool guy on Nov 29, 2013 22:29:13 GMT -5
I just really love tournaments.
All them brackets and shit.
F*** yeah.
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Post by DoubleDare on Nov 29, 2013 22:32:25 GMT -5
I would argue with HHH, as he dropped being the blueblood basically at that point then had a good fued with mankind and showed a more aggressive side. I think the best thing that couldve happened was hhh's kort being delayed a year (He was going to win it in 96 but the curtain call with the clique happened) as being his snobby blueblood self in 96 he wouldnt have gotten that far.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 29, 2013 22:44:03 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything in the OP. -Bret didn't totally need the title of 'King,' but the concept of King of the Ring as a PPV needed someone of Bret's calibur to be it's "inaugural winner". Also, with Hogan making his exit, it gave Bret a good springboard into a feud with Yokozuna.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 29, 2013 22:56:02 GMT -5
It would still be better than the shitty "Payback" PPV they hold in June.
I'd give the winner a title shot at Summerslam.
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Post by Bootista on Nov 29, 2013 22:58:35 GMT -5
I would argue with HHH, as he dropped being the blueblood basically at that point then had a good fued with mankind and showed a more aggressive side. I think the best thing that couldve happened was hhh's kort being delayed a year (He was going to win it in 96 but the curtain call with the clique happened) as being his snobby blueblood self in 96 he wouldnt have gotten that far. But is he more aggressive than Del Rio?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 29, 2013 23:02:29 GMT -5
Edge was being groomed for the main event since that one win. His KoTR victory was what started the on and off feud with Angle. He got three IC Title reigns, a U.S. Title reign (won from Angle of all people), as well as being the guy to unify the U.S. and IC Titles (won from another midcard golden boy in Test). They put him in programs with the big boys like Angle, Jericho, and HBK and let him win the IC Title yet again from "future face of the WWE" Randy Orton of all people. The only thing that stopped him from being a big star until 05-06 was getting injured twice. Edge was already being groomed for the main event. The Matt Hardy/Lita saga and the MiTB/Cena stuff were just bonuses to a push that was already going to happen.
With Brock, they gave him a storyline reason to go after the WWE Championship instead of just being shoved into the title picture randomly.
The point of the 2008 tournament was to emphasize Regal's dastardly heel authority figure character. As the RAW GM, Regal booked himself into the tournament, and basically booked himself to go over the other competitors (Finlay in the semi finals and CM Punk in the final) in glorified squashes due to the fact that they all fought hard and tired themselves out while he gave himself an unfair advantage with an easy first round opponent in Hornswoggle. They also intended to put over Mr. then-Kennedy (Kennedy) as a hot newly turned face. it was Regal unfortunately failing wellness that caused this tournament to be a "flop" rather than any bad booking.
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Post by molson5 on Nov 29, 2013 23:03:20 GMT -5
I just really love tournaments. All them brackets and shit. F*** yeah. Me too, but the King of the Ring has never really been that. The biggest tournament they've had at the PPV is 8 guys, they've only done that a handful of times, and when it's 8, it's fairly predictable and there's not that many alternative hypothetical match-ups to speculate about. I loved the original Wrestling Classic PPV and the Wrestlemania IV tournament, even though the matches had to be so short.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 29, 2013 23:04:20 GMT -5
I do not care about how good it is at building stars. It's just really f***ing fun to watch. Like, WHOA WE ARE IN THE SEMI-FINALS BRO DID YOU EXPECT TO SEE PERSON X HERE I SURE DID NOT AND I DON'T EVEN CARE IF THE REASON HE IS HERE IS DUMB AS HELL UPSET UPSET UPSET OH MY GOD ALL THOSE MEN ALREADY WON A MATCH WHO CAN POSSIBLY WIN NOW
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Post by cool guy on Nov 29, 2013 23:11:55 GMT -5
I do not care about how good it is at building stars. It's just really f***ing fun to watch. Like, WHOA WE ARE IN THE SEMI-FINALS BRO DID YOU EXPECT TO SEE PERSON X HERE I SURE DID NOT AND I DON'T EVEN CARE IF THE REASON HE IS HERE IS DUMB AS HELL UPSET UPSET UPSET OH MY GOD ALL THOSE MEN ALREADY WON A MATCH WHO CAN POSSIBLY WIN NOW Exactly. There's just so much you can do with a tournament, with guys fighting important battles with people they'd otherwise have no reason to fight. Honestly I think the KotR name is what's dragging it down these days. Maybe toss that out, along with the silly king gimmicks.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 29, 2013 23:13:04 GMT -5
I like it when the brackets aren't as obvious. Like if it's Justin Gabriel vs Ryback, then the winner of that will face the winner of Jinder Mahal vs Mark Henry, it's just so obvious who's winning based on card order.
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Post by Greer on Nov 29, 2013 23:45:49 GMT -5
I do not care about how good it is at building stars. It's just really f***ing fun to watch. Like, WHOA WE ARE IN THE SEMI-FINALS BRO DID YOU EXPECT TO SEE PERSON X HERE I SURE DID NOT AND I DON'T EVEN CARE IF THE REASON HE IS HERE IS DUMB AS HELL UPSET UPSET UPSET OH MY GOD ALL THOSE MEN ALREADY WON A MATCH WHO CAN POSSIBLY WIN NOW Yeah but they are never booked that way. Except for maybe once or twice, the King of the Ring is always a fairly predictable affair filled with glorified jobber matches. How many "upsets" have you seen in any of the past tournaments? And with booking the way it is now...I wouldn't trust them to make a decent tournament that would mean anything.
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Post by BitterAF on Nov 30, 2013 1:56:57 GMT -5
I agree with the OP. With the Royal Rumble and 2 MITB matches a year, with guaranteed title matches with each, the KOTR is meaningless when compared. Even if the winner is guaranteed a title match, that would allow for 4 opportunities for title matches. There are quite a few here saying that 2 MITB matches are too much. If we do go to having 1 world title, the Royal Rumble and 1 MITB is enough. Also, with Lawler present, we don't need a second king gimmick.
It was a concept that was fun in the 90s and could have been more. But it became less important and then MITB came along. Out of the KOTR, MITB, and the Royal Rumble, which is overall more eexciting and more different to watch? How many times does Edge, Lesnar, HHH, Austin, Sheamus, or Regal get referred to as former winners?
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Nov 30, 2013 2:02:32 GMT -5
Its still better than most of the shitty PPVs the WWE has year out.
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 30, 2013 12:25:34 GMT -5
After 1995 when it went to only four guys total in the PPV portion of the tournament tournament, I think the PPV went downhill. It became based more on a title match and a few throwaway matches.
I wish it had started in 1993 with a full bracket, like Wrestling Classic, with an extra match or two thrown in. Probably would have been hard for a few guys to keep going but the bye would be ideal for Mabel while Bret, Owen, Austin, and Triple H from the first few years could probably see 3-4 matches in one night.
I guess with Raw and a few other weekend shows the tournament matches helped add to the show.
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Post by Rican on Nov 30, 2013 12:29:55 GMT -5
I just like tournaments. And yeah they should bring it back with the winner getting a title shot at summerslam like they did with Brock the one year.
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Post by AKIMan64 on Nov 30, 2013 16:25:00 GMT -5
I would like to see King of the Ring return. It allows superstars a chance to go out there, fight the good fight, and it feels like they worked hard to accomplish something. Money in the Bank is just a cheap attempt to produce a star, and even when they cash in to become world champion, they're more likely going to fall down to midcard anyway (cough Miz, Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler). Do they really need to rely on spot fests to produce a classic match?
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Post by dreidemy on Nov 30, 2013 17:04:52 GMT -5
If King of The Ring returned, I'm sure that Alberto Del Rio would be the winner. The most AGRESSIVE winner of all time.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 30, 2013 17:28:43 GMT -5
If it's brought back, it needs to use the old 8-man single elimination format. A one-night tournament. They can have one round of qualifying before the PPV on RAW. It would be a welcome break from authority figure-driven storylines and the rest of the roster doing nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 17:52:15 GMT -5
I like tournaments since they don't have them much.
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