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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 3, 2013 1:13:25 GMT -5
Sheamus is a perfect comparison to make, because his initial push was weaker than Barrett's and he dropped further down the card after it than Wade ever did. And it didn't hurt him at all, because he was talented enough to rebound and rise to greater heights, whereas Wade steadily faded away like a middling nonentity as soon as he stopped getting an entire show built around trying to make him look important. If you actually believe any of what you just wrote, you must be delusional. Sheamus' push was weaker? Are you having a laugh? HE BEAT JOHN CENA FOR THE WWE TITLE CLEAN ON HIS FIRST PPV. It doesn't get any stronger than that. Sheamus' overness has stuck because WWE have shoved him down our throats since the moment Triple H took him under his wing. And he didn't drop further down the card. He won KOTR, won the US title, then WWE set about on a year long plan to make him a top dog again. Royal Rumble win, WrestleMania title win, 6-month world title reign. When did Wade get any of that? In 2010, Sheamus was in 3 PPV main events: Fatal 4-Way, Money in the Bank, and Night of Champions. Only MitB was a singles match. F4W and MitB were both built around Nexus attacks at the climax of the show, with the Nexus angle dominating the PPV buildup. The remaining PPV, NoC also featured Wade Barrett in the main event. In 2010, Wade Barrett was in 5 PPV main events, including two of the "Big Four" PPVs: Summerslam, Night of Champions, Bragging Rights, Survivor Series, and TLC. Three of those were singles matches. All were built around the big summer angle of a faction that Barrett was leading, which was continually put over as a serious threat. When their big pushes ended, Wade Barrett moved to Smackdown, got to lead a new faction with some of the same flunkies, and feuded with Big Show. At the same time, Sheamus was busy losing clean to Mark Henry (pre-push, when he was just a perennial midcard JTTS) on RAW while the commentators joked about what a loser he is. Triple H has repeatedly praised and hyped up Wade Barrett as a future top star in all the same interviews where he's praised Sheamus. Fortunately, Wade continues to fail so badly that he hasn't gotten the chance to crack jokes aimed at children or squash vanilla midgets, so resentful smarks have yet to attribute his career to backstage politicing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 1:19:47 GMT -5
It was the highlight of an excellent Raw for me. I just couldn't stop laughing and the stamp was perfect. I'm really looking forward to this gimmick. Anyways did he change his music again?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 1:23:15 GMT -5
If you actually believe any of what you just wrote, you must be delusional. Sheamus' push was weaker? Are you having a laugh? HE BEAT JOHN CENA FOR THE WWE TITLE CLEAN ON HIS FIRST PPV. It doesn't get any stronger than that. Sheamus' overness has stuck because WWE have shoved him down our throats since the moment Triple H took him under his wing. And he didn't drop further down the card. He won KOTR, won the US title, then WWE set about on a year long plan to make him a top dog again. Royal Rumble win, WrestleMania title win, 6-month world title reign. When did Wade get any of that? In 2010, Sheamus was in 3 PPV main events: Fatal 4-Way, Money in the Bank, and Night of Champions. Only MitB was a singles match. F4W and MitB were both built around Nexus attacks at the climax of the show, with the Nexus angle dominating the PPV buildup. The remaining PPV, NoC also featured Wade Barrett in the main event. In 2010, Wade Barrett was in 5 PPV main events, including two of the "Big Four" PPVs: Summerslam, Night of Champions, Bragging Rights, Survivor Series, and TLC. Three of those were singles matches. All were built around the big summer angle of a faction that Barrett was leading, which was continually put over as a serious threat. When their big pushes ended, Wade Barrett moved to Smackdown, got to lead a new faction with some of the same flunkies, and feuded with Big Show. At the same time, Sheamus was busy losing clean to Mark Henry (pre-push, when he was just a perennial midcard JTTS) on RAW while the commentators joked about what a loser he is. Triple H has repeatedly praised and hyped up Wade Barrett as a future top star in all the same interviews where he's praised Sheamus. Fortunately, Wade continues to fail so badly that he hasn't gotten the chance to crack jokes aimed at children or squash vanilla midgets, so resentful smarks have yet to attribute his career to backstage politicing. I like how you conveniently don't count all of Sheamus' WWE title PPV matches in 2010 just because they didn't go on last. Here's how his 2010 on PPV went: Royal Rumble - WWE Title Match Elimination Chamber - WWE Title Match WrestleMania - Singles match with Triple H in his first Mania (Wade's first Mania was a 8-man tag loss in about 2 minutes) Extreme Rules - Clean win over Triple H (Wade has never been given a clean win over a top star on PPV) Over the Limit - N/A Fatal 4-Way - WWE Title Match (two title reigns despite only being on the roster a year and not being over at all) Money in the Bank - WWE Title Match SummerSlam - WWE Title Match Night of Champions - WWE Title Match Hell in a Cell - WWE Title Match He was de-pushed to some extent after that, but he also won KOTR by the end of the year. The two reasons Wade Barrett "main evented" more PPVs than Sheamus that year because Wade got heat, which is something Sheamus couldn't do. The fans barely gave two shits about heel Sheamus. And because it involved John Cena. WWE used The Nexus as fodder for Cena, that's all.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 3, 2013 1:33:27 GMT -5
I like how you conveniently don't count all of Sheamus' WWE title PPV matches in 2010 just because they didn't go on last. Tell that to all the folks who complain that CM Punk was being held down throughout his big WWE title reign.
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Post by JCBaggee on Dec 3, 2013 1:43:28 GMT -5
Needs more random interruption during live matches/segments. And have no commentator question his presents. "King, the good news is I've bought you a lovely sweater, made of a luxurious cashmere. The bad news is they only had it in medium."
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 3, 2013 2:01:28 GMT -5
I marked big time. I hope this lasts a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 2:09:10 GMT -5
I liked it.
I also thought it was funny how Cole was clearly laughing during the first portion and he had to hold his head down to keep composure.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 3, 2013 2:23:15 GMT -5
I can't wait till he calls John Cena "Hollywood Cena".
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Post by The Portable Stove on Dec 3, 2013 2:30:33 GMT -5
Leave it to the writing staff to take something mildly amusing, get the complete wrong idea about what it is, and then destroy it in front of a live audience.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 3, 2013 2:36:29 GMT -5
It should be noted that cheap heat or not, Barrett got a lot of heat in both segments. If he keeps getting reactions like that, this will be fine.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 3, 2013 3:07:37 GMT -5
It's probably old hat to mention this again, but my god did him and DBry take different paths than expected since their NXT season 1 debuts.
I like the idea behind it (LOVE the stamp), but he'll have to do more than just bash the towns.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 3, 2013 3:29:27 GMT -5
I'd say he's got about six months left at most before he's fired.
Nothing they've tried has worked. Nothing will unless they do what I suggest and make him into a blue blood snob. It's a tried and tested way of getting over a Brit with an American audience. All they need to do is follow Regal's example. They tried to change him too. Gave him the "man's man" gimmick until eventually realised their error.
They need to do the same with Barrett
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 4:00:58 GMT -5
I didn't hate the segment like other people did, I thought it was fine. I just don't see how it has any future. Just like everything the WWE does, it'll get very old very quickly and probably be dropped within a couple of months.
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 3, 2013 4:32:44 GMT -5
Make it a combination of his backstage bad news and his live bad news. Instead of randomly showing the podium by the announcers table, anytime he interrupts a promo, the podium should rise slowly from the stage with him standing on it, Barrett giving the bad news and then slowly lowering back down like this gif of Kurt Angle
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Dec 3, 2013 5:53:41 GMT -5
I laughed for it. He has an old school cheesey vocal delivery that reminds me of better times in the past. Don't know how much steam this has, but it has more than some.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 3, 2013 6:02:17 GMT -5
It's amazing that WWE could take at one time the hottest commodity heel they had and do absolutely nothing to help him.
This isn't something new. Hell, the Bad News Barrett thing is only the most recent thing they had the guy do, but he's been done since his Corre lost to Santino at Wrestlemania, instead of the more reasonable thing by having Barrett vs. Cena in a huge blow off match. And switching up the character's actions constantly without giving reasons or motivations really didn't help either.
I can't even stress how many times over the summer angle of 2010 could have been better. Just about any idea proposed would probably have been better executed than what we got. As the Nexus leader, they had a great opportunity to do something completely original. And originally, I assumed that's what I thought we could have gotten. A pack of wolves looking to survive, that all looked out for one another and were sick of the torment of their "captors". I liked that they had Wade sacrifice his title shot for his comrades and "the bigger picture", which was something I hadn't seen in wrestling, I mean taking a whole new approach to what a wrestler could be was very intriguing. It's not about a hostile takeover, it's about survival. A year or more with them whittling down each person, giving reason to the story. They could have baited temptation with each member and done SO SO much with telling us why Nexus would never truly prosper. WWE could have told a very interesting story instead of of what they ended up doing.
I would say they pulled the plug on Barrett, but it looks like his vital signs are still there. A breathing corpse with a blank stare. No reason to be there. No reason to care.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 3, 2013 6:39:56 GMT -5
I like Barrett and want him to get over. That said this sketch is just no.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 6:50:08 GMT -5
Bad News Barrett doesn't even fall under the 'so bad, it's actually good' category. Just no.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 3, 2013 7:36:37 GMT -5
The man once had a level of dignity, a certain class to his words that helped show the Machiavellian tendencies of a natural born leader. He was the man that used his words to not only got entire arenas to hate him but got them supporting Cena to the point people chanted "never give up" for a guy that usually gets 50/50(ish) reactions.
Now he talks about constipation.
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Post by BitterAF on Dec 3, 2013 8:00:17 GMT -5
It's probably old hat to mention this again, but my god did him and DBry take different paths than expected since their NXT season 1 debuts. I like the idea behind it (LOVE the stamp), but he'll have to do more than just bash the towns. I would imagine he will do this for another week or two before beginning a feud, thus ending the hometown cheap heat. A win over Gabriel and Ryder and then a feud with Christian
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