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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 4, 2013 11:27:14 GMT -5
I love the part about, "The character didn't fail, but the performer did." What an insane business where Guy Who Never Talks Or Does Anything is considered a successful character.
You guys... I think the WWE really actually doesn't know that the initial reason Sin Cara was popular and successful, particular among latin fans, was BECAUSE he was Mistico.
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Post by Herman The Tosser on Dec 4, 2013 11:32:18 GMT -5
What is the other guy going to do now? Isn't there a new Mistico in Mexico now?
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 4, 2013 11:34:35 GMT -5
We wanted to see Mistico vs Mysterio Hunico was the original Mistico, so I see no problem here. But he wasn't the one that blew up and became the biggest star in Mexico. I'm pretty sure you knew what I meant. That's not a knock on Hunico. I like him and he might be a better worker, but I don't care about seeing him fight Rey. That's not the dream match that we all expected to have seen by now.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 4, 2013 11:41:20 GMT -5
I don't know how to feel about this. Yeah, Sin Cara is WWE's Suicide, but just looking at how it all went down, I'm perplexed.
Sing a star out of Mexico knowing that he doesn't speak English and that you have one guy who has worked that style full time, and his knees are bubble gum and bailing wire.
Have the former lucha main draw debut a new gimmick, complete with huge press conference in Mexico to show what a huge deal it is.
Have new gimmick debut with a ring entrance that involves, in essence, a trampoline spot that nearly ends in disaster when he clips the top rope on his debut. Despite the obvious concern this should bring, havien him continue the spot every time out. Again, few if any of his opponents can work his style or his speed, meaning he has to change the speed at which he works and increases the chance of things going wrong.
New performer becomes injury prone.
This whole thing was designed to fail, it had to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 11:41:45 GMT -5
Hunico's awesome, but I do wonder what's to happen with Camacho.
I don't blame them for parting ways with the original, because all he did was botch moves left and right. Hunicara may not have the finger-pointing capabilities, but you get a healthy mix of acrobatics and ring-savvy.
Either way, I'm happy to know Hunico, in the end, became the rightful owner to the Sin Cara mask.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 4, 2013 11:41:59 GMT -5
I hope this leads to Cara attempting to reunite his team with Mysterio, only for Mysterio to turn around and say 'I don't even know who you are anymore.'
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Post by Juice on Dec 4, 2013 11:50:32 GMT -5
This isn't all WWe's fault. They let him come to main roster way too soon, but that's about it. He is a complete failure and dud. He's done nothing but injure himself, botch and screw up, yet none of the blame falls on him, because he "was good in mexico"...
There wouldn't be a clash of styles if he took the time to be a professional and learn the wwe brand, and speak some English. But he was a spoon fed star on par with del Rio. (both have been complete shit imo) Difference is Del Rio took the time in FCW to learn a few things.
WWE were fully preapred to push Sin cara to the moon. he debuted in feud with Sheamus for christ sake. And whooped his ass. And every time he was to be pushed thereafter he botched shit and injured himself.
So no, I don't want to hear about different styles, ring sizes, mood lighting. The performer f***ed himself over for not living up to his end of the bargain, not making any effort to change or adapt. Sin Cara is bust. If the character can live on and be better with someone else why no utilize it?
Sin Car vs Rey isn't a dream match for me regardless of who is under the mask. If it happens with Hunico I am sure it will be better than Mistico being under the mask.
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Post by Indiana Miz on Dec 4, 2013 11:50:58 GMT -5
Man, I don't want the real Sin Cara to go away. Hunico is a great wrestler and all, but he doesn't have the "charm" that Sin Cara does. They should've let him spend some time in NXT or gave him a mask that didn't hinder his vision.
And I don't really remember Sin Cara botching THAT often, especially after he came back last summer.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 4, 2013 12:03:44 GMT -5
Man, I don't want the real Sin Cara to go away. Hunico is a great wrestler and all, but he doesn't have the "charm" that Sin Cara does. They should've let him spend some time in NXT or gave him a mask that didn't hinder his vision. And I don't really remember Sin Cara botching THAT often, especially after he came back last summer. A lot of his "Botches" were other peoples faults as well and one a lot of people point to was Sin Cara trying to cover his opponents screw up. (When Primo slipped off the turnbuckle and Sin Cara dove to the outside.) But it was doomed to become a thing from the first day when his entrance didn't come off exactly perfect the first time he did it live combined with how much he was hyped leading into the company.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 12:07:32 GMT -5
This is some breaking news right here. No one would have guessed this without this tidbit.
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Post by Phil Parent on Dec 4, 2013 12:10:57 GMT -5
I read Samurai Del Sol as Sin Cara... how about Sami Zayn?
How about Tyson Kidd under the hood?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 12:13:26 GMT -5
I don't know how to feel about this. Yeah, Sin Cara is WWE's Suicide, but just looking at how it all went down, I'm perplexed. Sing a star out of Mexico knowing that he doesn't speak English and that you have one guy who has worked that style full time, and his knees are bubble gum and bailing wire. Have the former lucha main draw debut a new gimmick, complete with huge press conference in Mexico to show what a huge deal it is. Have new gimmick debut with a ring entrance that involves, in essence, a trampoline spot that nearly ends in disaster when he clips the top rope on his debut. Despite the obvious concern this should bring, havien him continue the spot every time out. Again, few if any of his opponents can work his style or his speed, meaning he has to change the speed at which he works and increases the chance of things going wrong. New performer becomes injury prone. This whole thing was designed to fail, it had to be. I do think he could definitely have come in on better conditions and the early problems were probably largely on the company, but he's been on the roster for two and a half years at this point, dropped the trampoline, and still not gotten any better at fitting in or feeling like he belongs. If after all that time he's still completely out of place and not getting how things work, it is kind of his fault for not making at least some sort of adjustment in that time. Granted, I do kind of feel bad for the guy. He went from being a huge deal to his career now probably being basically dead and has nothing to show for it besides a bunch of injuries and a broken goods label in the eyes of the part of the fanbase that'd be most likely to pay him any mind moving forward.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 4, 2013 12:14:36 GMT -5
Hunico could do well as Sin Cara. I just wish they could have done this a lot sooner, but I guess they had to wait on the contract to expire.
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Post by onetruemisfit on Dec 4, 2013 12:19:24 GMT -5
They should have a diva do sin cara. Like sin cara changes genders each week.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 4, 2013 12:20:18 GMT -5
Also I keep saying Sin Cara Corps... or Sin Cara Rangers... either way it's a license to print money!
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Post by Mr. Butter Fingers on Dec 4, 2013 12:29:21 GMT -5
Considering that Hunico's shoulder tattoo has already been seen by fans, it would be pretty boneheaded move to have someone else play Sin Cara.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 4, 2013 13:02:29 GMT -5
I read Samurai Del Sol as Sin Cara... how about Sami Zayn? How about Tyson Kidd under the hood? Speaking of Zayn, I guess on NXT house shows they are toying with the idea of him doing the El Generico gimmick... but as El Local (he did put the El Local mask on but took it off in the Bo Dallas Invitational) Samuray Del Sol/Kalisto will be up soon. Fairly young, well built, fluent in both English and Spanish, flashy moves but not hard to work with in a WWE setting, and has a cool mask. As for Mistico, as I said in the other thread, the fact that they didn't put more emphasis on him learning English (though a very hard language to learn) and had him work with mostly guys who don't speak Spanish (short program with Chavo and Primo aside) didn't help. In the long run, he didn't help himself out but the whole start to his WWE career was botched (pun intended)
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Dec 4, 2013 13:36:23 GMT -5
I read Samurai Del Sol as Sin Cara... how about Sami Zayn? How about Tyson Kidd under the hood? Speaking of Zayn, I guess on NXT house shows they are toying with the idea of him doing the El Generico gimmick... but as El Local (he did put the El Local mask on but took it off in the Bo Dallas Invitational) Samuray Del Sol/Kalisto will be up soon. Fairly young, well built, fluent in both English and Spanish, flashy moves but not hard to work with in a WWE setting, and has a cool mask. As for Mistico, as I said in the other thread, the fact that they didn't put more emphasis on him learning English (though a very hard language to learn) and had him work with mostly guys who don't speak Spanish (short program with Chavo and Primo aside) didn't help. In the long run, he didn't help himself out but the whole start to his WWE career was botched (pun intended) Imo if you speak spanish learning english is not that hard, since still there is some base in latin. Is not like being spanish or english and trying to learn japanese
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Post by cruiserfan on Dec 4, 2013 13:38:49 GMT -5
The dumbest part about this is that they even bothered to have a Sin Cara match on RAW this week with Hunico under the mask. Now whenever they do put someone else under the mask, the fact they don't have a big tattoo on their arm (which was impossible not to notice) is going to confuse even the most casual fans. If they watched this week's RAW at least.
And he beat Del Rio!
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 4, 2013 13:45:36 GMT -5
*sad point*
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