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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 4, 2014 20:53:10 GMT -5
A little premature without laying all my cards on the table in extensive detail, but I'm not in a position to make a long post just yet. (On my phone and in and out of car.) But, I'll go ahead and let you know that the best player in this freaking game and Mafioso of all Mafiosos is ....
Vote; Casey Jones is Insane
Dude, you just about won this game despite bumbling play on the part of compadres. Amazing.
Also, head-scratching about Señor Tyger ... a bit. I figured one Mafia left. Am I wrong again about the Mafia numbers? I am interested to see what happens with Casey's turn. I wanna know exactly what role he served. But here's my answer ... Right now, I'm calling it: Godfather can recruit. Vote for Casey Jones. Strong hunch that he's Godfather and now we've got a converted accomplice. I would have to go back and examine closely (I'm busy and can't right now), but I wonder if one of the deceased wasn't converted. (The conversion theory I want to state so as to not confuse Waffel's roleblock of Casey.)
It's going to take one heck of a case to get my vote off Casey. If we find out he's Godfather (which is my hunch right now) we then play around with who might've been the most likely target for him to convert. (B Natural could take care of that after the reveal.)
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 4, 2014 21:38:42 GMT -5
What I take away from the voting:
The only person to vote on each scum lynch this game is Mr B.
Wolf Haley lynch was the only one where a mafia member didn't vote for one of their own; the list of remaining players that voted for him is as follows: Dark, Casey, Jazzman, pegasus, Mr B Natural.
Only guys left out of my Day 1 theory that didn't vote for Day 1 lynch are pegasus and Jazzman.
I am torn between voting for Mr B or pegasus.
And peg, thank you for the kudos, but I am not the real american that you're looking for.
WE THE PEOPLE!
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 4, 2014 21:42:56 GMT -5
It'll only take 4 votes to lynch btw.
#wethepeople #letsbelogical #whyamistillaliveifimamastermind #iwassuspectingsns #helpedoutmafia #inadvertant #DAMN
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 4, 2014 22:00:29 GMT -5
It'll only take 4 votes to lynch btw. #wethepeople #letsbelogical #whyamistillaliveifimamastermind #iwassuspectingsns #helpedoutmafia #inadvertant #DAMN Haha! Awesome! I was onto you a couple of days ago and kept going back and forth. I was onto you the first couple of days and your brilliant town comment got me off the trail. You're the guy I alluded to last day phase that I was going to come after hard. Still. Awesome. ------------------------------------------------ Vote stands for now. But I've got to get home and at least consider the theories out there on the table. One thing about me in every game. I'm a listener. Anyone throws anything out there, I'll consider it and find ways to shoot it down or to see if it actually fits. Sometimes, if there's a hole, I'll go hard on the slip-up.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 4, 2014 22:06:03 GMT -5
TRIPLE POST, BABAY!
Waffel roleblocked me, yet we still had a mafia night kill. That should clear me, peg.
In looking who SNS suspected before his death, myself, Double H, and Dark T were his last suspects.
Also, the conversation between himself and Jazzman and the double voter was cleaned off; Legend (who flipped scum mind you) claimed Jazz to be the double voter.
WE THE PEOPLE!
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 4, 2014 22:19:37 GMT -5
TRIPLE POST, BABAY! Waffel roleblocked me, yet we still had a mafia night kill. That should clear me, peg. In looking who SNS suspected before his death, myself, Double H, and Dark T were his last suspects. Also, the conversation between himself and Jazzman and the double voter was cleaned off; Legend (who flipped scum mind you) claimed Jazz to be the double voter. WE THE PEOPLE! Read again. Your recruitee killed. I think you recruited one of us at one point not long ago. You were blocked. But I'm placing my bet (for now) that you're the Godfather and your lackey did it. I stated this case earlier. Are you saying you are the double voter and Jazz is Godfather? (Summary: I'm listening.)
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Post by Jazzman on Mar 4, 2014 22:31:56 GMT -5
TRIPLE POST, BABAY! Waffel roleblocked me, yet we still had a mafia night kill. That should clear me, peg. In looking who SNS suspected before his death, myself, Double H, and Dark T were his last suspects. Also, the conversation between himself and Jazzman and the double voter was cleaned off; Legend (who flipped scum mind you) claimed Jazz to be the double voter. WE THE PEOPLE! Read again. Your recruitee killed. I think you recruited one of us at one point not long ago. You were blocked. But I'm placing my bet (for now) that you're the Godfather and your lackey did it. I stated this case earlier. Are you saying you are the double voter and Jazz is Godfather? (Summary: I'm listening.) As am I...
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 4, 2014 23:15:16 GMT -5
Before I defend myself, honestly I'd like to hear your logic further as well. I must admit I too am curious to your reasoning.
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Post by Waffel113 on Mar 5, 2014 15:48:48 GMT -5
I'd be doubting Casey's "No Night Kill" theory right now (not that I totally trust it to begin with...), but a quick look at MafiaScum provides no information of what happens if a Godfather is Blocked. I'm still fairly suspicious, but I'm not 100% sure about this yet.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 5, 2014 18:03:18 GMT -5
but a quick look at MafiaScum provides no information of what happens if a Godfather is Blocked. I'm still fairly suspicious, but I'm not 100% sure about this yet. I did the same thing. I assumed that a Godfather could be roleblocked all along. But it was mere assumption. I really think that he could've had the recruit power because this is a huge game and no third party apparent. No cult, and we haven't seen the recruitment option for Mafia in a game I've ever been a part of. It just makes sense because it lets the numbers balance thing take care of itself and goes right along with that straight up Town vs Mafia Mano a Mano thing, which I admit has been pretty darn interesting in its simplicity. Heck of a frame setup by the mod. It (recruitment) is certainly a power option the Mafia can be granted via Godfather and it makes sense to me given the duality of setup. Usually, they have to forego a night action to initiate the recruitment of someone. OR OR OR, that could all be overthinking and maybe the Godfather simply can't be roleblocked. I haven't seen anything this phase to convince me Casey isn't the big cheese himself. I'm making the bet that he recruited someone. But there stands that chance that he simply can't be roleblocked. (Also, someone has taken my laptop cord and I can't find the stupid thing anywhere. Being able to quote and backtrack through pages to launch the case would be much easier on the laptop instead of phone.)
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 5, 2014 19:02:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the recruiting thing to be honest. Judging how the scum board has flipped so far they all seem to have something in common. (Total Divas and Tons of Funk) If those were all recruits, I find it odd that things synced up so well. Seems almost too good to be true. There's a small chance they did recruit someone and for whatever reason we haven't been able to find them yet, but I'm very skeptical of that. It just seems way too convenient for anybody on the Mafia side that has fallen so far to be a recruit. There's way too much of a pattern emerging with the various scum.
My guess is the Godfather is the collective Wyatt Family at this point. And that would definitely explain them having an ability to recruit if that is true.
We've had many players who flipped as multiple people, all. Maybe an outside chance of Luke Harper and Erik Rowan being a separate unfounded player. Which if that's the case I'm guessing Rowan and Harper are this mystery role cop that was eluded to earlier.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 6, 2014 2:43:29 GMT -5
I understand where you guys are going with this... but here is a question: if I was a recruiter (I'm not), why would I introduce the idea into the game? Especially when no one else is thinking that?
Totally reeks of players trying to get the heat off of them and onto a town member.
I'm not saying that Jazz is the Godfather; I'm saying that Legend (scum) is the one that said Jazz was a double voter, and everyone believed it at face value. Why would we believe scum?
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 6, 2014 2:44:02 GMT -5
EBWOP: WE THE PEOPLE!
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 6, 2014 13:36:23 GMT -5
I understand where you guys are going with this... but here is a question: if I was a recruiter (I'm not), why would I introduce the idea into the game? Especially when no one else is thinking that? Totally reeks of players trying to get the heat off of them and onto a town member. I'm not saying that Jazz is the Godfather; I'm saying that Legend (scum) is the one that said Jazz was a double voter, and everyone believed it at face value. Why would we believe scum? -------------------------------- IT IS NOW DAY PHASE #7! List of Superstars Left: "Fearless" Hawk Jefferson Casey Jones is Insane. Mr. B Natural Has a Dinosaur WCW Champion DarkMyau "The It Factor" Waffel113 pegasuswarrior Jazzman ---------------------------------------- Ok, fair enough. If I'm barking up the wrong tree, I apologize in advance for wrecking the game for teammates. Casey Jones is my vote. I've done this quite often and people always buy into the one deterring rather than the pursuer. The result: Mafia always wins. I am pursuing. I have been pursuing. I always pursue in the late game because there are way fewer people to hide behind, and frankly, the game of logic becomes less difficult. I see no pursuit from the person in question. Dropping facts, dropping logic, and dropping in with comments that cloud the situation without any real clarity (the line about Jazzman is so non-committal, why not just say what you're thinking directly?) are all well and good, but we have seven people left. Really? We are getting to desperation mode if we don't actively pursue someone. I'm making a choice--as I do in all late games--to pursue the one I feel has the highest likelihood to flip scum. I'm ready for Casey to quit dancing around the game here in the late situation and join the pursuit. It's not going to make me mad at you to guess and guess wrong. But I want Town to finally win and that only happens with committed effort, not by pointing out flaws or clouding the situation with "I've got a bad feeling about this" lines that make you the one smelling like a Rose day phase to day phase. I'm going after scum, and I'm disappointed in not seeing the same fervor that I expect from someone I value as highly as Casey Jones in his ability to play the game. Now, look above at the list. If not Casey, then who? Let's lay cards on the table. --Hawk -- Obviously Town. Already been proven. --Casey Jones-- Already been making a case against him. --B Natural-- Interesting theory surrounding him. What I need to do when I can get my power cord to my laptop is cycle back through pages upon pages of this game and look at all the claims of night kills he made and see how all that adds up. THEN, I want to pay attention to all the times someone with a power role said they targeted him and compare that to what actually happened that night phase beforehand. Waffel, since you're still in the game, you can help me out by simply reminding me: did you say you had targeted B Natural at any point? --DarkMyau-- Well, I buy him as fellow town Mason through and through. I may be an idiot and I will admit I'll be blindsided if he turns out scum. (I allude to him again at the end of this post.) --Waffel-- High five to the moon if he's scum. Roleblocker. Help me out, list all your roleblock targets again night by night. If I recall, they all were failures which you chalked up to botches on your part. I'm ok with that. But were they ALL botched? List them again and save me some flipping through pages. A whole game of failed roleblocks would warrant my attention as too convenient. (Disclaimer: totally think Waffel is town. I'm just trying to get information that will save me time tonight.) --Jazzman-- Seems there is doubt now? Not confirmed as double voter but it made sense earlier. Tonight, I'll do the vote counts day by day to double check. I wasn't worried about him being scum. Tyger said Town. If he's godfather, that wouldn't matter. Certainly more in favor of Casey lynch than Jazzman. -------------------------- I hinted earlier that if Godfather flipped with Casey's lynch and the theorized recruitment option was then even more of a likelihood at that stage, then we have to ask ourselves who would be the safest to recruit. Who would have no heat whatsoever or be targeted whatsoever? Well look above for when that time comes. If I were recruiting godfather, I certainly know two of those names I would go after since they seem safe, safe, safe. More later. On my phone and extremely tied up at the moment.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 6, 2014 15:37:34 GMT -5
Safest recruit would be Hawk since he was announced as an Innocent Child.
I am honestly at my wits end. There is still a scum out there, and my short list is pegasus, DarkMyau, and Mr B.
I think I drew that out in a post earlier this day phase.
Am I wrong in thinking that Masons usually work with one being mafia and the other being town?
#wethepeople
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 6, 2014 16:37:19 GMT -5
Not always. Sometimes both or all of the Masons end up as town. But knowing Anonymous and all the various restrictions that have been throw about in this game with various power roles, that sounds like another one I'd expect to be present.
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Post by Waffel113 on Mar 6, 2014 16:44:35 GMT -5
BLOCKS!
Night One: Brad (WHY DIDN'T THAT WORK?!) Nights Two, Four: SnS Night Three: WCW Champion DarkMayu Night Five: Double H Night Six: Casey Jones Is Insane!
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 6, 2014 17:54:41 GMT -5
BLOCKS! Night One: Brad (WHY DIDN'T THAT WORK?!) Nights Two, Four: SnS Night Three: WCW Champion DarkMayu Night Five: Double H Night Six: Casey Jones Is Insane! Thanks dude. Saves me some effort tonight. Dark Myau, you were blocked Night Three from communicating with Mason? Is this correct? (The answer to this question could at least help us progress and aligning everyone's stories/claims.)
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Mar 10, 2014 8:51:28 GMT -5
Bump, today's the last day before lynch deadline, which is after RAW, Hawaii Time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 13:18:24 GMT -5
I have never been blocked from Talking to Mason.
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