Backstage news on Match of the Year Slammy

[Dragonfly]

Dec 9, 2013 12:42:42 GMT -5 Amazing Kitsune said:

Dec 9, 2013 10:29:57 GMT -5 wisdomwizard said:

Smark bait.

Indeed. HHH is the pro wrestling news equivalent of a Bond Villain.

That's due to the unspoken "HHHate Rule": Every newz article written about Triple H, both good and bad, should be taken as the truth. Anyone who doesn't treat every story as fact will be called everything from a WWE apologist to a spy who is secretly working with/for Triple H.

[Urfarkendarf]

[deancubed]

The only way I have a problem with this, is if HHH vs Lesnar wins. And I HIGHLY doubt it will, but there is a non-zero chance.

[BigWill]

Dec 9, 2013 14:02:46 GMT -5 Dragonfly said:

Dec 9, 2013 12:42:42 GMT -5 Amazing Kitsune said:

Indeed. HHH is the pro wrestling news equivalent of a Bond Villain.

That's due to the unspoken "HHHate Rule": Every newz article written about Triple H, both good and bad, should be taken as the truth. Anyone who doesn't treat every story as fact will be called everything from a WWE apologist to a spy who is secretly working with/for Triple H.

But is that really any different than people immediately dismissing it smark bait solely because it involves Triple H?

[SEAN CARLESS]

Doesn't change the fact that HHH vs. Lesnar in every incarnation this year was dog shit. That's the bigger issue. HHH shouldn't be nominated for anything this year. All of his matches have stunk out the joint. Surely they could have found another nominee to round of the ballot that's not so glaringly, mind-numbingly, undisputedly out of place and undeserving.

[Bub (BLM)]

The Randy Orton/Daniel Bryan street fight from this past summer should be in that match's place regardless.

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I'd personally vote for any number of Shield matches, but the most I've enjoyed a match this year was the Bryan/Cesaro portion of that time Bryan tried to run the Gauntlet.

[metylerca]

Dec 9, 2013 15:23:55 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

Doesn't change the fact that HHH vs. Lesnar in every incarnation this year was dog shit. That's the bigger issue. HHH shouldn't be nominated for anything this year. All of his matches have stunk out the joint. Surely they could have found another nominee to round of the ballot that's not so glaringly, mind-numbingly, undisputedly out of place and undeserving.

Cage match wasn't *that* bad. But it still belongs nowhere near a best of the year list.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Dec 9, 2013 16:49:22 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Dec 9, 2013 15:23:55 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

Doesn't change the fact that HHH vs. Lesnar in every incarnation this year was dog shit. That's the bigger issue. HHH shouldn't be nominated for anything this year. All of his matches have stunk out the joint. Surely they could have found another nominee to round of the ballot that's not so glaringly, mind-numbingly, undisputedly out of place and undeserving.

Cage match wasn't *that* bad. But it still belongs nowhere near a best of the year list.

That cage match was an abomination that all but killed off Lesnar's aura and uniqueness until thankfully Punk repaired it. To me, Cena and Punk wrestled Lesnar the way someone should, and HHH undermined both their efforts to jerk himself off with a big 1985 Crocket-era NWA foam finger. You wrestle Brock like you're fighting a f***ing monster, not like your rasslin' Ricky Morton in the Mid-Atlantic. Lesnar having to beg and cry selling HHH's couldn't crack an egg offense was absurd. Especially the whole "Ass kicker is back" shit. It reminded me of the idiotic Greg Gagne booking in the early 80's where Verne made Bruiser Brody sell for him.

[metylerca]

Dec 9, 2013 18:21:21 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

Dec 9, 2013 16:49:22 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Cage match wasn't *that* bad. But it still belongs nowhere near a best of the year list.

That cage match was an abomination that all but killed off Lesnar's aura and uniqueness until thankfully Punk repaired it. To me, Cena and Punk wrestled Lesnar the way someone should, and HHH undermined both their efforts to jerk himself off with a big 1985 Crocket-era NWA foam finger. You wrestle Brock like you're fighting a f***ing monster, not like your rasslin' Ricky Morton in the Mid-Atlantic. Lesnar having to beg and cry selling HHH's couldn't crack an egg offense was absurd. Especially the whole "Ass kicker is back" shit. It reminded me of the idiotic Greg Gagne booking in the early 80's where Verne made Bruiser Brody sell for him.

When you start using words like abomination, I get the feeling you forget you're talking about a pseudo sport where guys roll around in their undies.

I'll give you.Wrestlemania, because it was laughable having Hunner tease winning with legit submission skillz, but this cage match was perfectly acceptable wrestling that had Brock look beastly at the end. Yeah, HHH looked strong, but you know and I know Sean that you look just as foolish in thinking HHH should sell Brock as a monster as HHH looks thinking 2013 audiences want to see him in a featured role on the weekly television show. In the end, the cage match ended up ending the feud, so the match officially cannot be called the worst thing ever.

But match of the year? Not a chance!

[Deleted]

Nothing Triple H has done or will do is worthy of ANY praise imo

Most of the good shit that he was involved in was because someone else made him bearable.

[Crappler El 0 M]

Unexpectedly, it's Cena whose been snubbed the most this year in this category. His matches with Bryan and Punk were two of the very best matches of the year and neither was nominated.

[Clawley Race]

Bryan and Rollins match was as good/better than any nominated

[SEAN CARLESS]

Dec 9, 2013 19:10:58 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Dec 9, 2013 18:21:21 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

That cage match was an abomination that all but killed off Lesnar's aura and uniqueness until thankfully Punk repaired it. To me, Cena and Punk wrestled Lesnar the way someone should, and HHH undermined both their efforts to jerk himself off with a big 1985 Crocket-era NWA foam finger. You wrestle Brock like you're fighting a f***ing monster, not like your rasslin' Ricky Morton in the Mid-Atlantic. Lesnar having to beg and cry selling HHH's couldn't crack an egg offense was absurd. Especially the whole "Ass kicker is back" shit. It reminded me of the idiotic Greg Gagne booking in the early 80's where Verne made Bruiser Brody sell for him.

When you start using words like abomination, I get the feeling you forget you're talking about a pseudo sport where guys roll around in their undies.

I'll give you.Wrestlemania, because it was laughable having Hunner tease winning with legit submission skillz, but this cage match was perfectly acceptable wrestling that had Brock look beastly at the end. Yeah, HHH looked strong, but you know and I know Sean that you look just as foolish in thinking HHH should sell Brock as a monster as HHH looks thinking 2013 audiences want to see him in a featured role on the weekly television show. In the end, the cage match ended up ending the feud, so the match officially cannot be called the worst thing ever.

But match of the year? Not a chance!

Beastly? You mean the way he had to crawl and use a sledgehammer to beat HHH after Heyman repeatedly interfered? Dude, the entire match is walking evidence to my point. It was a huge ego f*** to HHH, and should have never been booked in the first place. It served absolutely no point whatsoever and furthered no angles in the long run.

And as far HHH selling HHH as a monster being foolish: They're paying Brock 5 million a year to work limited dates, in hopes that his prior box-office appeal in UFC (far greater than any one achievement HHH has ever had) would translate to their business. And it did. Until the HHH feud. The returns on Brock since then are diminishing. You can argue the semantics as to why, but him being booked as just another guy in a match with HHH accomplished nothing and was mind-numblingly counterproductive when you consider that Brock is a novelty WWE still needs to make money off of, and HHH is a part-time wrestler who works in the office.

As far as it being the worst match ever. I never said that. I just said it was an abomination and didn't deserve to be even nominated. And it doesn't.

[sybaku]

That's ridiculous!

HHH vs Axel didn't even get a nomination!?

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

I want to believe Triple H isn't that insecure (it's practically a meme at this point) but then, he doesn't really deserve the benefit of a doubt either.

[metylerca]

Dec 9, 2013 20:25:25 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

Dec 9, 2013 19:10:58 GMT -5 metylerca said:

When you start using words like abomination, I get the feeling you forget you're talking about a pseudo sport where guys roll around in their undies.

I'll give you.Wrestlemania, because it was laughable having Hunner tease winning with legit submission skillz, but this cage match was perfectly acceptable wrestling that had Brock look beastly at the end. Yeah, HHH looked strong, but you know and I know Sean that you look just as foolish in thinking HHH should sell Brock as a monster as HHH looks thinking 2013 audiences want to see him in a featured role on the weekly television show. In the end, the cage match ended up ending the feud, so the match officially cannot be called the worst thing ever.

But match of the year? Not a chance!

Beastly? You mean the way he had to crawl and use a sledgehammer to beat HHH after Heyman repeatedly interfered? Dude, the entire match is walking evidence to my point. It was a huge ego f*** to HHH, and should have never been booked in the first place. It served absolutely no point whatsoever and furthered no angles in the long run.

And as far HHH selling HHH as a monster being foolish: They're paying Brock 5 million a year to work limited dates, in hopes that his prior box-office appeal in UFC (far greater than any one achievement HHH has ever had) would translate to their business. And it did. Until the HHH feud. The returns on Brock since then are diminishing. You can argue the semantics as to why, but him being booked as just another guy in a match with HHH accomplished nothing and was mind-numblingly counterproductive when you consider that Brock is a novelty WWE still needs to make money off of, and HHH is a part-time wrestler who works in the office.

As far as it being the worst match ever. I never said that. I just said it was an abomination and didn't deserve to be even nominated. And it doesn't.

And again, the word abomination is a bit strong to use when discussing wrestling. Clearly you have strong feelings for or against stuff, but it just doesn't reflect/broadcast well on a message board. I picture you sitting at home pacing between hallways out of anger for the match being booked when clearly you just watched it and weren't impressed.

I didn't say you called it worst match ever, but you did make the match out to seem as though it literally unzipped and pissed into your Cherrios.

Brock hit a monstrous F-5. When looking back on the match what I remember is "That's my manager!" and Brock beating HHH without much debate. Hunter obviously got offense in (which no matter how much offense he got will be too much for you. Call it a hunch) but Brock put him away and won the match. He also went away and came back looking dominate during the buildup to the Punk match, and you can't deny that as much as you want to. Audiences didn't seem lukewarm even with HHH's involvement in his recent tenure. They heard Brock's music (which is just awesome at stopping a scene and injecting fear) and went nuts. I blame SummerSlam's lack of butyrate more on McMahon telling the audience that Bryan was a midget and a non-factor than to HHH wrestling Brock at Extreme Rules and Mania this year. Brock and Punk was built wonderfully and it's a shame it didn't perform numbers wise. You are right though, the cage match furthered no angles. That's true.

As an observer member, I don't think they've ever given an exact number they're paying Brock so I'd like you to cite your sources there. There's been estimates around 3 million or 2 that I've seen, but nothing concrete.

Brock could have fought anybody in his return, so I get the frustration when HHH was the one he faced… 3 f***ing times. I would have rather he fought Ryback, Bryan, Ziggler, Orton, etc. HHH was on the bottom of my Brock dream list. But again, this was far from the Gooker in terms of matches, and being upset at it being nominated for a WWE sponsored award is puzzling. Seeing how the casuals outnumber you and I, there might be people out there who thought HHH/Brock was great. I don't ever want to meet them, but still. Being upset about it's inclusion is puzzling.

As I type this the Bellas have won the Diva of the Year award. It's a retarded thing to occur but at the end of the day, there's no need to lose sleep over it, man.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Dec 9, 2013 21:04:01 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Dec 9, 2013 20:25:25 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

Beastly? You mean the way he had to crawl and use a sledgehammer to beat HHH after Heyman repeatedly interfered? Dude, the entire match is walking evidence to my point. It was a huge ego f*** to HHH, and should have never been booked in the first place. It served absolutely no point whatsoever and furthered no angles in the long run.

And as far HHH selling HHH as a monster being foolish: They're paying Brock 5 million a year to work limited dates, in hopes that his prior box-office appeal in UFC (far greater than any one achievement HHH has ever had) would translate to their business. And it did. Until the HHH feud. The returns on Brock since then are diminishing. You can argue the semantics as to why, but him being booked as just another guy in a match with HHH accomplished nothing and was mind-numblingly counterproductive when you consider that Brock is a novelty WWE still needs to make money off of, and HHH is a part-time wrestler who works in the office.

As far as it being the worst match ever. I never said that. I just said it was an abomination and didn't deserve to be even nominated. And it doesn't.

And again, the word abomination is a bit strong to use when discussing wrestling. Clearly you have strong feelings for or against stuff, but it just doesn't reflect/broadcast well on a message board. I picture you sitting at home pacing between hallways out of anger for the match being booked when clearly you just watched it and weren't impressed.

I didn't say you called it worst match ever, but you did make the match out to seem as though it literally unzipped and pissed into your Cherrios.

Brock hit a monstrous F-5. When looking back on the match what I remember is "That's my manager!" and Brock beating HHH without much debate. Hunter obviously got offense in (which no matter how much offense he got will be too much for you. Call it a hunch) but Brock put him away and won the match. He also went away and came back looking dominate during the buildup to the Punk match, and you can't deny that as much as you want to. Audiences didn't seem lukewarm even with HHH's involvement in his recent tenure. They heard Brock's music (which is just awesome at stopping a scene and injecting fear) and went nuts. I blame SummerSlam's lack of butyrate more on McMahon telling the audience that Bryan was a midget and a non-factor than to HHH wrestling Brock at Extreme Rules and Mania this year. Brock and Punk was built wonderfully and it's a shame it didn't perform numbers wise. You are right though, the cage match furthered no angles. That's true.

As an observer member, I don't think they've ever given an exact number they're paying Brock so I'd like you to cite your sources there. There's been estimates around 3 million or 2 that I've seen, but nothing concrete.

Brock could have fought anybody in his return, so I get the frustration when HHH was the one he faced… 3 f***ing times. I would have rather he fought Ryback, Bryan, Ziggler, Orton, etc. HHH was on the bottom of my Brock dream list. But again, this was far from the Gooker in terms of matches, and being upset at it being nominated for a WWE sponsored award is puzzling. Seeing how the casuals outnumber you and I, there might be people out there who thought HHH/Brock was great. I don't ever want to meet them, but still. Being upset about it's inclusion is puzzling.

As I type this the Bellas have won the Diva of the Year award. It's a retarded thing to occur but at the end of the day, there's no need to lose sleep over it, man.

Abomination was a strong word. But I guess my frustration is derived from the fact that Lesnar as an attraction was an exciting prospect, and his match with Cena was one of the most kayfabe-blurring works of brilliance I've ever seen in post-sports entertainment landscape. I bought into Brock's aura, and Cena's determination, but then saw that amazing spectacle ruined by a seeming ego-maniac who wanted to have a plodding, traditional 50/50 wrestling match with a guy who should only be used, win or lose, as a spectacle to maximize his value and subsequent value of those he works with. Then he did it two more times, not selling the first match, and being booked as if he was some sort of  physical and fighting equal to, or even tougher than Brock, thus lessening his appeal and value. The entire feud wasn't about "I'm coming for revenge on the guy who broke my arm". It ended up pathetically being: "This time you're fighting the *real* HHH, unlike the last time, and you're a coward who quit at everything you've ever done."

Attractions only have value if they are allowed to look strong or at least maintain the "credibility" and "specialness" they had coming in. Because if not, why would I want to see them again, over any other roster member? And why would I pay to see someone beat him when he's been beat and been made to look cowardly and vulnerable? It makes no sense. Brock was the investment here, albeit short term. Not HHH.

[metylerca]

Dec 9, 2013 21:21:22 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

Dec 9, 2013 21:04:01 GMT -5 metylerca said:

And again, the word abomination is a bit strong to use when discussing wrestling. Clearly you have strong feelings for or against stuff, but it just doesn't reflect/broadcast well on a message board. I picture you sitting at home pacing between hallways out of anger for the match being booked when clearly you just watched it and weren't impressed.

I didn't say you called it worst match ever, but you did make the match out to seem as though it literally unzipped and pissed into your Cherrios.

Brock hit a monstrous F-5. When looking back on the match what I remember is "That's my manager!" and Brock beating HHH without much debate. Hunter obviously got offense in (which no matter how much offense he got will be too much for you. Call it a hunch) but Brock put him away and won the match. He also went away and came back looking dominate during the buildup to the Punk match, and you can't deny that as much as you want to. Audiences didn't seem lukewarm even with HHH's involvement in his recent tenure. They heard Brock's music (which is just awesome at stopping a scene and injecting fear) and went nuts. I blame SummerSlam's lack of butyrate more on McMahon telling the audience that Bryan was a midget and a non-factor than to HHH wrestling Brock at Extreme Rules and Mania this year. Brock and Punk was built wonderfully and it's a shame it didn't perform numbers wise. You are right though, the cage match furthered no angles. That's true.

As an observer member, I don't think they've ever given an exact number they're paying Brock so I'd like you to cite your sources there. There's been estimates around 3 million or 2 that I've seen, but nothing concrete.

Brock could have fought anybody in his return, so I get the frustration when HHH was the one he faced… 3 f***ing times. I would have rather he fought Ryback, Bryan, Ziggler, Orton, etc. HHH was on the bottom of my Brock dream list. But again, this was far from the Gooker in terms of matches, and being upset at it being nominated for a WWE sponsored award is puzzling. Seeing how the casuals outnumber you and I, there might be people out there who thought HHH/Brock was great. I don't ever want to meet them, but still. Being upset about it's inclusion is puzzling.

As I type this the Bellas have won the Diva of the Year award. It's a retarded thing to occur but at the end of the day, there's no need to lose sleep over it, man.

Abomination was a strong word. But I guess my frustration is derived from the fact that Lesnar as an attraction was an exciting prospect, and his match with Cena was one of the most kayfabe-blurring works of brilliance I've ever seen in post-sports entertainment landscape. I bought into Brock's aura, and Cena's determination, but then saw that amazing spectacle ruined by a seeming ego-maniac who wanted to have a plodding, traditional 50/50 wrestling match with a guy who should only be used, win or lose, as a spectacle to maximize his value and subsequent value of those he works with. Then he did it two more times, not selling the first match, and being booked as if he was some sort of  physical and fighting equal to, or even tougher than Brock, thus lessening his appeal and value. The entire feud wasn't about "I'm coming for revenge on the guy who broke my arm". It ended up pathetically being: "This time you're fighting the *real* HHH, unlike the last time, and you're a coward who quit at everything you've ever done."

Attractions only have value if they are allowed to look strong or at least maintain the "credibility" and "specialness" they had coming in. Because if not, why would I want to see them again, over any other roster member? And why would I pay to see someone beat him when he's been beat and been made to look cowardly and vulnerable? It makes no sense. Brock was the investment here, albeit short term. Not HHH.

That hasn't stopped them before.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Dec 9, 2013 21:23:29 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Dec 9, 2013 21:21:22 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

Abomination was a strong word. But I guess my frustration is derived from the fact that Lesnar as an attraction was an exciting prospect, and his match with Cena was one of the most kayfabe-blurring works of brilliance I've ever seen in post-sports entertainment landscape. I bought into Brock's aura, and Cena's determination, but then saw that amazing spectacle ruined by a seeming ego-maniac who wanted to have a plodding, traditional 50/50 wrestling match with a guy who should only be used, win or lose, as a spectacle to maximize his value and subsequent value of those he works with. Then he did it two more times, not selling the first match, and being booked as if he was some sort of  physical and fighting equal to, or even tougher than Brock, thus lessening his appeal and value. The entire feud wasn't about "I'm coming for revenge on the guy who broke my arm". It ended up pathetically being: "This time you're fighting the *real* HHH, unlike the last time, and you're a coward who quit at everything you've ever done."

Attractions only have value if they are allowed to look strong or at least maintain the "credibility" and "specialness" they had coming in. Because if not, why would I want to see them again, over any other roster member? And why would I pay to see someone beat him when he's been beat and been made to look cowardly and vulnerable? It makes no sense. Brock was the investment here, albeit short term. Not HHH.

That hasn't stopped them before.

Haha, true. But you're thankfully not 3 grand in in WWE stock like me. Haha. (unless you are). My opinions are severely swayed often by monay-ay and business.