Professor Chaos
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 10, 2013 7:14:52 GMT -5
One Bella Twin turned Ethiopian while the other turned a fat tub of lard. What? A fat tub of lard? Nikki could probably out-eat everyone on FAN at a buffet. I'd still pass cause Cena's had his dick in her.
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Heartbreaker
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Post by Heartbreaker on Dec 10, 2013 7:16:28 GMT -5
Slammys are pointless and obviously rigged so I don't really care and I'm not even surprised the stupid twins won.
One that bothers me is that for years the WWE has been extremely stubborn when it comes to certain superstars/divas and the crowds. They desperately want the crowds to cheer or boo for someone who management loves and when the crowds won't respond to them, WWE still tries and won't stop. Examples of this are Alberto Del Rio, Drew McIntyre back in late 2009, The Bella Twins, Eve Torres, Candice Michelle in 2007, even Curtis Axel.
Meanwhile, if there are some superstar/divas getting great reactions (heel or face), the WWE doesn't listen to the fans. Often, they usually try to kill their heat by having them squashed or barely winning. If they managed to get over on their own like Zack Ryder and Dolph Ziggler, WWE cannot handle it and ruins their heat and momentum. Then there's those times they turned a popular face to a heel and no matter how much cheap heat and evil shit they'll do, the crowd still loves them. CM Punk is the biggest example of this during his heel turn from late-mid 2012 to earlier this year, it was practically implied that he poured Paul Bearer's ashes over the Undertaker and the crowd was cheering and chanting his name.
The other thing that bothers me is when a face is extremely unlikable, lacks personality, does not get any reactions or is booed and is obviously supposed to be a heel yet the actual heel is well liked, entertaining, over and speaks the damn truth but the commentators and such act like they are the freaking devil.
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Sparkybob
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 10, 2013 7:41:35 GMT -5
Then why was the audience in such disagreement with some of those results (Divas and MoTY being the obvious ones)? It just makes no sense that if the Bellas were chosen as Diva of the Year that they immediately got booed offstage almost immediately. A few thousand people in the audience vs. the likely hundreds of thousands who voted. Match of the Year won because it was Rock and Cena, not because it was a good match. I'll say the thousands of fans who typically cheer AJ over the Bellas during Raw and all the thousands people who buy AJ merchandise make a strong voting base don't you think? I mean it will be like Big Show winning superstar of the year. Is it possible he was voted over Bryan/Cena/Punk? I guess but every metric you want to measure overness will Show isn't as popular as those guys. My main argument the WWE should reveal voting results so when people with little kayfabe credibility win, we can see it was the fans who decide.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 10, 2013 9:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 10, 2013 9:51:44 GMT -5
A few thousand people in the audience vs. the likely hundreds of thousands who voted. Match of the Year won because it was Rock and Cena, not because it was a good match. I'll say the thousands of fans who typically cheer AJ over the Bellas during Raw and all the thousands people who buy AJ merchandise make a strong voting base don't you think? A strong voting base, but not necessarily an overwhelming one. Factor in apathy (I much prefer AJ to the Bellas but wouldn't go so far as to actually download the app and vote), and the fact that it wasn't just a two-horse race. Someone who like AJ more than the Bellas can just as easily like Natalya more than AJ. Keep in mind that all we see of AJ is on Raw, SD and PPV. The Bellas, Natalya, and Eva Marie have Total Divas as well - and there you have the Bryan/Cena rub. But if people believe the votes are rigged, what does that prove? If they have no qualms about falsifying the overall result, then why not the voting numbers?
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 10, 2013 10:29:15 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that it wasn't there was what, like 6 options to vote for? The Bellas probably only got like 25%-30% of the vote tops and won.. possibly could have even been as little as 17%-20%. When I read this thread I see a lot of comments that seem to gloss over the fact that the winners didn't require 50%+ of the vote. Sure, 70% of the arena could have booed bloody murder, but the other 30% voted for the winners.
I'm not surprised at all and I don't believe the winner was "kayfabe". I fully believe the Bellas won the vote. Just because I disagree with it doesn't mean it's not true.
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Totorob101
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Post by Totorob101 on Dec 10, 2013 10:48:51 GMT -5
Im no AJ fan but she really deserved it more then those horrible Bellas.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 10, 2013 10:52:16 GMT -5
It's basic maths, two is greater than one. youtu.be/ws6SIxgg_20?t=58sTherefore neither AJ or Kaitlyn could win, in the event of a tie the Bellas being twins make them the obvious winners.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 10:57:06 GMT -5
Of course having a foil applies to wrestling. Otherwise, there would never be a need for anything above jobber squashes. Well if you actually read my post closely, you'd see that didn't mean that the concept of a foil doesn't apply to wrestling at all - that's why I mentioned feuds like Flair/Steamboat, where a compelling face has an equally compelling heel to play off of. I was just disagreeing with your assertion that a wrestling character is only ever as good as their foil when that isn't always the case. It's more than possible for a character to be interesting or compelling even when their opposition is sub-par. As I asked before: is the Undertaker suddenly uninteresting or overhyped when more than half of his storylines and opponents have been godawful? Back in 2005, when he was stuck feuding with Heidenreich, were you saying that you didn't get the hype about the Undertaker because he didn't have a good foil?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 10, 2013 11:15:08 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that it wasn't there was what, like 6 options to vote for? The Bellas probably only got like 25%-30% of the vote tops and won.. possibly could have even been as little as 17%-20%. When I read this thread I see a lot of comments that seem to gloss over the fact that the winners didn't require 50%+ of the vote. Sure, 70% of the arena could have booed bloody murder, but the other 30% voted for the winners. I'm not surprised at all and I don't believe the winner was "kayfabe". I fully believe the Bellas won the vote. Just because I disagree with it doesn't mean it's not true. Agreed. AJ, Natalya and Kaitlyn probably split the rest of the votes and the Bellas got the other half.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 10, 2013 11:18:03 GMT -5
They didn't win shit. Totally rigged. Forced booking. Kaitlyn and Nattie are virtually non-entities in WWE. If the vote was honest, AJ would have pissed it.
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Hawk Hart
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Post by Hawk Hart on Dec 10, 2013 11:31:51 GMT -5
You guys are getting pissy about a fake award given away by a rigged sport.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 10, 2013 11:32:31 GMT -5
could have been the who "2 is better than 1" thing (TM Stansky and...the other guy? or was it the Dead Presidents?). AJ could have gotten say 30% of the split vote for all 6 (8?)candidates, but 16% of the voters liked brie best and 15% liked Nikki best. but since they couldn't vote or one or the other they were forced to vote Bella giving the Bellas 31% so they win despite AJ seemingly more popular individually based on crowd responce and whatnot.
still laughed at how the Bellas got booed for winning- you know being faces and all.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 10, 2013 11:36:53 GMT -5
The suspicion comes from the fact that the Bellas are not over on WWE TV, get no reactions, there's no Total Divas viewer crossover, and despite being paired with two of the most popular guys on the roster there, they have not seen that translate to them whatsoever. To me, it'd be like if Curtis Axel won an award over a Punk, Cena, or Bryan. You could do all the junk science math you want trying to explain how it was possible, but the fact that Axel is totally heatless would lead you to believe that something was up.
I don't dislike The Bellas, and even think Brie has improved to the point of being decent in-ring, but whether some contrarian weirdos want to admit it or not, AJ gets the biggest reactions, sells the most merch and is the biggest star of that division. Hands down and by a wide margin. And those who say "That's because they put effort into her!" Well, if the end result is popularity, then it's justified. I'm not the biggest Cena fan (for his character), but I'm not retarded enough to say that he shouldn't be considered the most popular guy in the company just because he gets pushed. He gets pushed BECAUSE it works and makes money. The end.
And finally: To those saying "all this over a Slammy?!" The award is worthless. But conning your audience into thinking they have a say and then doing what you want anyway is really not defendable or right. Its carny bullshit.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 10, 2013 11:40:52 GMT -5
You guys are getting pissy about a fake award given away by a rigged sport. Even a rigged sport with fake awards needs to have some sort of internal consistency and logic to it.
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Hawk Hart
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Post by Hawk Hart on Dec 10, 2013 11:52:44 GMT -5
You guys are getting pissy about a fake award given away by a rigged sport. Even a rigged sport with fake awards needs to have some sort of internal consistency and logic to it. Yes, because it's so hard to believe that the Divas that they put front and center in title programs, media appearances, and all sorts of other stuff would win a fan vote. It's gotta be rigged since the worker booked to be a total bitch champion most of the year didn't beat the main faces of the division. I'm sorry guys but we're the minority of viewers and your average WWE viewer is voting Bellas over AJ.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 10, 2013 11:58:22 GMT -5
Even a rigged sport with fake awards needs to have some sort of internal consistency and logic to it. Yes, because it's so hard to believe that the Divas that they put front and center in title programs, media appearances, and all sorts of other stuff would win a fan vote. It's gotta be rigged since the worker booked to be a total bitch champion most of the year didn't beat the main faces of the division. I'm sorry guys but we're the minority of viewers and your average WWE viewer is voting Bellas over AJ. That's presuming that the people watching Total Divas or whatever C-list publicity event they send the Bellas to will watch RAW, download an app, and vote for the Bellas specifically rather than the other women on that show. If anything, the Total Divas vote should have been split. The total bitch champion has been getting consistent cheers and fan reactions while the supposed super popular faces the Bellas get a reaction like Rob Conway. She's been front and centre in the title program, and when she verbally killed the Total Divas, the fans cheered.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 10, 2013 13:31:25 GMT -5
Nikki could probably out-eat everyone on FAN at a buffet. I'd still pass cause Cena's had his dick in her. You seem like a real gentleman.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Dec 10, 2013 13:52:36 GMT -5
Although AJ definitely deserved the award, I wasn't surprised that she lost. I wouldn't go as far to say that there's been a backlash against her, but I have noticed a bit of a cooling off of her on TV. Maybe people are just bored with the fact that she's run through the entire divas division and want to see someone else get the spotlight for a while. Of course, I refuse to believe that someone is either Bella Twin, so maybe the fix was in.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 10, 2013 13:58:32 GMT -5
WWE didn't screw AJ. AJ SCREWED AJ. YOU DESERVED TO BE SCREWED!!! YOU DESERVED TO BE SCREWED!!!
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