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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Dec 12, 2013 11:08:53 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar.
I know some are wanting Sheamus to run in the same way and screw both Orton and Cena, and I have speculated that HHH may just take the title for himself. Here is why I am betting on Lesnar.
1. Just like HHH handpicked Orton because of their history of fighting each other, HHH has been in the ring with Lesnar and knows the destruction he can cause.
2. With Heyman gone, Lesnar really has nothing going on right now at all currently.
3. Lesnar's contract makes him a perfect corporate champ. He doesn't have to be at RAW every week and could conceivably only agree to defend his title every 30 days which would make the fans that much more desperate to see his reign come to an end.
4. Lesnar's lack of mic skills makes him a perfect corporate champ. Both HHH and Stephanie can hype him up especially when he isn't there and they can use pre-taped vignettes for him which always come across very well.
5. With how much they have focused on Cena and Orton coming up through the WWE together, let's not forget that Lesnar was an OVW all-star as well. HHH probably doesn't want Orton as champion given how he has been acting lately and doesn't want Cena as champion because he is already promising title shots to Daniel Bryan which isn't "best for business."
6. It sets up a bunch of excellent matches down the road. Cena and Punk have had great matches with the guy. Sheamus and Orton probably could. Bryan v Lesnar is an ultimate underdog match and possibly a big draw.
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Post by paywindah on Dec 12, 2013 11:13:16 GMT -5
With only one champ, I doubt they'd have it be someone who won't be on TV every week or at house shows. That's not best for business...
The more I hear about Sheamus, the more I see them doing it, especially with HHH and Vince being big fans of his. I can definitely seeing them pushing him down our throats with a huge mega push leading to Mania.
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Post by emperorthorn on Dec 12, 2013 11:13:38 GMT -5
It's not new year yet, though. I'm sure I heard that Lesnar's match with Punk is his last contractual appearance in 2013.
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Post by airraidcrash on Dec 12, 2013 11:16:35 GMT -5
Well this is around the time hunting season ends.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Dec 12, 2013 11:19:11 GMT -5
With only one champ, I doubt they'd have it be someone who won't be on TV every week or at house shows. That's not best for business... The more I hear about Sheamus, the more I see them doing it, especially with HHH and Vince being big fans of his. I can definitely seeing them pushing him down our throats with a huge mega push leading to Mania. The Rock was Champion and the central figure in a couple of major feuds last year. I know that having only one champion does change things a little, but having the Authority on Raw every week would keep heat on the title programs and they could always do taped segments of Lesnar. I actually think having a heel champion that is "too important" to do house shows or to come to every RAW could attract more heat.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 12, 2013 11:22:09 GMT -5
Well that would suck.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Dec 12, 2013 12:27:07 GMT -5
What a great, articulate, productive, well-thought-out response and contribution to this thread.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 12, 2013 12:33:28 GMT -5
The face of the company should be the man who actually is the face of the company, John Cena.
A heel Cena who encourages his fans to continue to support him and oppose Daniel Bryan and his fans would be sublime.
Not only would it give Cena something fresh to do, but it would allow Cena to maintain his merchandise-buying fanbase.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 12, 2013 12:37:51 GMT -5
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a very good idea, and that's really all I have to say on it.
Feel free to throw as much sarcasm at this post as you want.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 12, 2013 12:38:51 GMT -5
I don't think Brock gives a sh** about being world champ unless Vince pays him even more for that role.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Dec 12, 2013 12:40:48 GMT -5
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a very good idea, and that's really all I have to say on it. Feel free to throw as much sarcasm at this post as you want. Actually, it is a very good idea. Even good ideas don't get 100% approval though. I just think it sucks that some on here would rather crap all over something and end with a "that's really all I have to say on it." than actually have a discussion.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Dec 12, 2013 12:48:59 GMT -5
I don't think Brock gives a sh** about being world champ unless Vince pays him even more for that role. I would very much agree with this. I think that is part of the reason I like the idea so much. On Raw they had all past champions out to celebrate the historical significance of uniting the titles. IF the person who won on Sunday's attitude was "ok, I'm champion...does this mean I get more money?" it is more reason to root for the champion to lose. Lesnar would be a completely unlikeable monster heel champion who would have a list of contenders who he has never even been in the ring with yet.
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Post by shaker on Dec 12, 2013 12:52:40 GMT -5
I'm really digging this idea. It might not be feasible due to Lesnar's contract, but the basic storyline is good.
Lesnar as a monster that only a few top guys can even hope to go toe-to-toe with. Add in the idea that the Authority is 100% behind him, and you have a super dominant monster heel.
The only thing is, he HAS to lose at Mania. So he'd get to be champ for... what, 4 months more or less? Is 4 months long enough to build him up as someone that people cannot wait to see him get beat? He could take on Orton at the Rumble, Cena at Elimination Chamber, I guess it could work.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 12, 2013 12:53:38 GMT -5
I don't think Brock gives a sh** about being world champ unless Vince pays him even more for that role. I would very much agree with this. I think that is part of the reason I like the idea so much. On Raw they had all past champions out to celebrate the historical significance of uniting the titles. IF the person who won on Sunday's attitude was "ok, I'm champion...does this mean I get more money?" it is more reason to root for the champion to lose. Lesnar would be a completely unlikeable monster heel champion who would have a list of contenders who he has never even been in the ring with yet. But you then have to deal with the perception that the title is utterly meaningless to it's holder which isn't a good image to present to the fans. If he doesn't't care why should I?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 12:57:52 GMT -5
There can be only one man as face of WWE after Sunday
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Dec 12, 2013 13:06:58 GMT -5
I would very much agree with this. I think that is part of the reason I like the idea so much. On Raw they had all past champions out to celebrate the historical significance of uniting the titles. IF the person who won on Sunday's attitude was "ok, I'm champion...does this mean I get more money?" it is more reason to root for the champion to lose. Lesnar would be a completely unlikeable monster heel champion who would have a list of contenders who he has never even been in the ring with yet. But you then have to deal with the perception that the title is utterly meaningless to it's holder which isn't a good image to present to the fans. If he doesn't't care why should I? Look at Hogan's run as WCW/NWO world champion. He spray painted the belt, played it like a guitar and spit in the face of the tradition of past champions. It worked for him quite a bit. To get around the question you asked, I would do one of those vignettes where Lesnar talks about "what the Unified Title means to me" and have him throw around statements like "it means when my next contract comes due, that I just got that much more expensive." "It means that all those other guys around here who 'trained their whole lives for this' and 'whose dream it is to one day be the man' don't even belong in the same ring as me." "It means that the Authority know that I am what's best for business because I am the best in this business at kicking people's asses." "It means that if you want to be champion, I get to hurt you...really, really, bad."
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Dec 12, 2013 13:20:25 GMT -5
But you then have to deal with the perception that the title is utterly meaningless to it's holder which isn't a good image to present to the fans. If he doesn't't care why should I? Look at Hogan's run as WCW/NWO world champion. He spray painted the belt, played it like a guitar and spit in the face of the tradition of past champions. It worked for him quite a bit. To get around the question you asked, I would do one of those vignettes where Lesnar talks about "what the Unified Title means to me" and have him throw around statements like "it means when my next contract comes due, that I just got that much more expensive." "It means that all those other guys around here who 'trained their whole lives for this' and 'whose dream it is to one day be the man' don't even belong in the same ring as me." "It means that the Authority know that I am what's best for business because I am the best in this business at kicking people's asses." "It means that if you want to be champion, I get to hurt you...really, really, bad." Yes...but you had other factors on that one. 1. It was Hulk Hogan, Turning heel for the first time in nearly a decade. People were going to boo him no matter WHAT he did. 2. He was ANTI-WCW, Anti-Authority, Anti-Wrestling and part of a literal "New World Order", it made sense for him to denigrate the belt. It wouldn't work for Lesnar, because quite simply.....why would "The Authority", after building up this title to be the crowning achievement of "Dis Bizniss" want a champion that in your version of his reign, could not find a single f*** to give about it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 13:31:12 GMT -5
I would be all for this, but if I was booking it, I would have Lesnar turn on the Authority immediately, becoming a WWE champion that is completely anti-WWE and in it just for the money and fame that the belt brings. Similar to the summer of Punk, except with a legit villain. Then you have a monster heel that everyone is gunning for, and it throws the WWE into a state of chaos.
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 12, 2013 13:34:41 GMT -5
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Dec 12, 2013 13:41:01 GMT -5
Look at Hogan's run as WCW/NWO world champion. He spray painted the belt, played it like a guitar and spit in the face of the tradition of past champions. It worked for him quite a bit. To get around the question you asked, I would do one of those vignettes where Lesnar talks about "what the Unified Title means to me" and have him throw around statements like "it means when my next contract comes due, that I just got that much more expensive." "It means that all those other guys around here who 'trained their whole lives for this' and 'whose dream it is to one day be the man' don't even belong in the same ring as me." "It means that the Authority know that I am what's best for business because I am the best in this business at kicking people's asses." "It means that if you want to be champion, I get to hurt you...really, really, bad." Yes...but you had other factors on that one. 1. It was Hulk Hogan, Turning heel for the first time in nearly a decade. People were going to boo him no matter WHAT he did. 2. He was ANTI-WCW, Anti-Authority, Anti-Wrestling and part of a literal "New World Order", it made sense for him to denigrate the belt. It wouldn't work for Lesnar, because quite simply.....why would "The Authority", after building up this title to be the crowning achievement of "Dis Bizniss" want a champion that in your version of his reign, could not find a single f*** to give about it? As far as the second comment, if the rumors are true that Vince is going to be coming back as a face to fight for power with HHH and Stephanie, it sets up a tradition vs. what is best for the future of the business storyline. It would be Vince fighting for everything his company stood for vs. HHH and Stephanie and their new corporate grand vision. Lesnar to HHH and Stephanie would be the best for business because he can beat anyone, has appeal outside the WWE as a legit badass because of his UFC run, and is a cold, ruthless, businessman. I am not saying Lesnar should wear the belt backwards or toss it around like it is meaningless. I am saying he should use it like some baseball and football players use MVP awards to pad their contracts, get endorsement deals, and boast about how they are the best. They just showed that video package featuring all the past great champions, Lesnar's attitude should be that he doesn't care about anyone from Harley Race to Steve Austin. This is about him and this is about now.
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