Phil Parent
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Post by Phil Parent on Dec 13, 2013 16:05:59 GMT -5
Millions, and nobody would outbid Disney. I ALSO believe that Disney would be all over the library and trademarks. Come on, a lot of it is irrelevant to them, but they'd get to own Andre The Giant, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, The Undertaker, The Rock, Steve Austin, John Cena... all vibrant characters... I'm sure they could find something to do with that IP... There would be definite interest from all major media conglomerates. Also, you have to consider the possibility of the library being fragmented with some parts of it being sold for less. For exemple, Cornette sold the SMW library for 6 figures. Maybe then, he could get it back for 5.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 16:18:10 GMT -5
It you order the WWE tape library in the next 24h, not only will you get thousands of hours of footage BUT you will also get this lovely Zack Ryder headband ... AND THAT'S NOT ALL... you also get the awesome purple John Cena wristband that matches with the headband.
Call now 1 - 800 - BELLY UP, that's 1 - 800 - BELLY UP and don't miss the fun package for the whole family for only 750 thousand dollars. Yes, you heard it right the WWE tape library AND a Zack Ryder headband AND a John Cena wristband all for this bargain price of 750 thousand dollars!
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 13, 2013 17:31:16 GMT -5
Ten million is a reasonable starting estimate. The really old stuff caters mostly to a niche crowd, but it's a niche crowd that's proven itself more than willing to dole out whatever's needed to watch it.
If WWE isn't able to make an online service/stream out of it, it's a given someone else with the cash will.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 13, 2013 18:10:20 GMT -5
I think even if this accompanied a severe decline in interest in pro wrestling, the tapes would still be of value to sports historians. If absolutely nothing else, Hogan slamming Andre would justify a pretty nice price tag on the tape library. I think the only reason Vince is the only one bidding on tape libraries is that his pockets run so much deeper than anyone else who would even think of doing so. Knock him out of the picture, and there might be other interested parties.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 13, 2013 18:12:47 GMT -5
I don't think it would be worth much. Anyone who's interested in classic stuff has already bought and owns it. Plus there's already so much content online that can be easily viewed for free. I've been watching PPV's from the early 90s on Youtube lately and they have less than 5000 views. WCW sold for what, 2 grand? And that was only a year removed from when they folded.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 18:16:59 GMT -5
It's worth....
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 13, 2013 18:27:25 GMT -5
WCW sold for what, 2 grand? And that was only a year removed from when they folded. $1,700,000 to be precise. Considering how much larger WWE's own library is, and the fact that they've incorporated dozens of other companies' libraries into it as well, the market for wrestling would have had to be long dead for it to be worth little.
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Post by bob on Dec 13, 2013 19:26:30 GMT -5
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 13, 2013 20:05:07 GMT -5
Well, realistically, there may not be as much in the WWE library under its copyright ownership as one may think. This link explains why, in broadish terms: www.openflix.com/information/US-copyright.phpAdditionally, the copyright notices might have been omitted from much of whatever footage Vince received; while some of this can be chalked up to the kinds of tapeover activity by local TV stations (not uncommon - it even happened at the BBC), in many more these libraries were made up of singular matches or compilations of individual wrestlers, and were the only copies left in existence. If it was published prior to March 1, 1989 did not contain a full copyright notice, the footage would be in the public domain. Nonetheless, it would very much depend on the circumstances of the sale and the overall state of pro wrestling in North America (or the demand for it anywhere, really.) For any company or organization looking to run its own media distribution of this footage whilst pro wrestling remains WWE's main revenue stream, the price is going to be steep. If WWE goes under, few outside of pro wrestling would bid above $30 million for the library, and few inside would be able to bid that much in the current climate.
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Post by Essential1 on Dec 14, 2013 2:07:19 GMT -5
If TNA got their hands on it the video packages would still suck.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 14, 2013 2:21:11 GMT -5
More than Kassius Ohno. Less than AJ Styles.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 14, 2013 2:39:01 GMT -5
A couple of million.
Even if WWE went bust, there would still be a big enough audience willing to buy DVD boxsets, footage of old shows etc. Some big media company would buy them.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 14, 2013 2:45:40 GMT -5
On its own probably very little unless you had distribution rights. If not you'd just have to pay rent on a big warehouse somewhere
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 14, 2013 12:17:13 GMT -5
If they sell it whole so that whoever buys it could put out kick-ass multi-promotional collections and show things in historical context with one another, then it would easily be worth millions.
If they broke it up in pieces and sold it separately, then a couple of thousand. The tape library of a single territory though just isn't worth anything. If it was then those old Florida DVD's that Dusty and Mike Graham put out a few years ago or those AWA mini-PPV's the Gagne's had around the turn of the millennium would've made them a fortune, which I'm pretty sure it didn't.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 14, 2013 12:21:51 GMT -5
I think my three crayons and a milk should cover the majority of the televised history of North American professional wrestling...
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Post by Juice on Dec 14, 2013 13:00:10 GMT -5
Couple grand maybe. If the WWE is out of business, who would want it? A rich superfan looking to start an online service? Basically my thoughts as well. If the WWE can't profit from it, than who will? It would go cheap.
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Post by Totorob101 on Dec 14, 2013 13:08:47 GMT -5
Couple grand maybe. If the WWE is out of business, who would want it? A rich superfan looking to start an online service? Basically my thoughts as well. If the WWE can't profit from it, than who will? It would go cheap. Pretty funny to think that TNAs library would probably be worth more then WWES entire history, as mentioned who would want it? WWE would pay a decent amount for another companies complete library, but if WWE went bust, then their library itself is probably worthless.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 14, 2013 13:33:10 GMT -5
I think the OP's saying how much is the library worth now--not what it would be after wrestling in America has died. Like say Vince just decided he wanted to close down business tomorrow. But said let's sell the tape library, what would he get? I'd say easily 20 million and that might be underselling it quite a bit.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Dec 14, 2013 21:07:25 GMT -5
Definitely 7 figures regardless of circumstances.
But if it reaches 8 figures, it would have to be some crazy media company who thinks that distributing historical wrestling matches/storylines years after it's ended would be profitable.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 15, 2013 0:30:51 GMT -5
WWE's tape collection is valuable for the reason that WWE owns it. If WWE no longer existed, it wouldn't have the kind of value that people think it does at all.
It's kind of like Eric Bischoff's story of trying to buy WCW: buying the rings, the ropes, the stage equipment, the trucks, the cameras, the talent contracts, etc., means nothing without the TV time to show all of that stuff. If WWE, the largest and most successful wrestling promotion in the world, went out of business, then the demand (and subsequently the value) of the tape collection would only be determined by the miniscule audience of collectors and academics interested in studying it.
It'd be like owning all the most famous prop items from the history of American vaudeville. It'd have lots of value within that community of vaudeville appreciation but not much outside of it.
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