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Post by The Tank on Dec 17, 2013 14:05:43 GMT -5
No, it says "you can't give him an edge" either. Which is exactly what he needs. Or worse, it's subjective. I could say "I'm gonna make Cena actually give a damn when he loses" and you say "Nope, that's too much of an edge, you can't do that!" I mean, I know why you said "No changing Cena" in the top: because you don't think he needs to change. But saying you can't do that as a stipulation for making WWE "better" makes it inherently flawed, because the response to all your anti-anti-Cena threads has clearly shown time and time again that people want Cena to change not because they aren't a fan of him, but because they aren't a fan of HOW WWE makes him conduct himself (or how he chooses to conduct himself) on screen for the last coming up on nine years. To me, when most fans say they want Cena to gain an edge, they are essentially saying "I don't like smiley good guys, I wish he was more like Austin". It looks like it goes well beyond fans wanting him to be more passionate during feuds, which I could understand if it was just that simple. But i'd rather this not turn into another Cena debate, so leaving it at that, do you want to book within the stips or no? Well, it's like I said. The definition of "edge" is subjective. Because I'm not saying if I booked things, I'd make Cena into Austin 2.0. That's not a heroic character, that's not what works for him. I also wouldn't have Cena doing the crap they're doing right now. I don't want Daniel Bryan getting top shots because by golly, John Cena said it's okay! Austin wouldn't do that, Rock wouldn't do that, but, uh...Hulk Hogan wouldn't do that, either. Hulk Hogan would just step away from the championship until it's his turn to take over the title feud again. And really, that's maybe the biggest thing I'd change about WWE's booking. People say they only have confidence in Cena, but they don't. THEY DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN ANYBODY. If they did, then Cena's entire schtick right now wouldn't be trying to siphon Daniel Bryan's heat! I know just being vague when I say "Book everyone strongly" but they did it before, they can do it again.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 17, 2013 14:09:58 GMT -5
To me, when most fans say they want Cena to gain an edge, they are essentially saying "I don't like smiley good guys, I wish he was more like Austin". It looks like it goes well beyond fans wanting him to be more passionate during feuds, which I could understand if it was just that simple. But i'd rather this not turn into another Cena debate, so leaving it at that, do you want to book within the stips or no? Well, it's like I said. The definition of "edge" is subjective. Because I'm not saying if I booked things, I'd make Cena into Austin 2.0. That's not a heroic character, that's not what works for him. I also wouldn't have Cena doing the crap they're doing right now. I don't want Daniel Bryan getting top shots because by golly, John Cena said it's okay! Austin wouldn't do that, Rock wouldn't do that, but, uh...Hulk Hogan wouldn't do that, either. Hulk Hogan would just step away from the championship until it's his turn to take over the title feud again. And really, that's maybe the biggest thing I'd change about WWE's booking. People say they only have confidence in Cena, but they don't. THEY DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN ANYBODY. If they did, then Cena's entire schtick right now wouldn't be trying to siphon Daniel Bryan's heat! I know just being vague when I say "Book everyone strongly" but they did it before, they can do it again. That's understandable, I can respect that. But it doesn't answer my question: do you want to play along with the thread? I wasn't intending for it to be heavy handed.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 17, 2013 14:19:34 GMT -5
I would have Dolph pin the Miz
And a week later, have Miz pin Dolph
Then on the PPV, book Miz vs Dolph
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Post by The Tank on Dec 17, 2013 14:23:44 GMT -5
Well, it's like I said. The definition of "edge" is subjective. Because I'm not saying if I booked things, I'd make Cena into Austin 2.0. That's not a heroic character, that's not what works for him. I also wouldn't have Cena doing the crap they're doing right now. I don't want Daniel Bryan getting top shots because by golly, John Cena said it's okay! Austin wouldn't do that, Rock wouldn't do that, but, uh...Hulk Hogan wouldn't do that, either. Hulk Hogan would just step away from the championship until it's his turn to take over the title feud again. And really, that's maybe the biggest thing I'd change about WWE's booking. People say they only have confidence in Cena, but they don't. THEY DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN ANYBODY. If they did, then Cena's entire schtick right now wouldn't be trying to siphon Daniel Bryan's heat! I know just being vague when I say "Book everyone strongly" but they did it before, they can do it again. That's understandable, I can respect that. But it doesn't answer my question: do you want to play along with the thread? I wasn't intending for it to be heavy handed. ...book everybody strongly. Best I can do. Despite being part of the WWE-based eFed here since day one save a few breaks, fantasy booking ain't really my thing. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 17, 2013 14:27:23 GMT -5
So we're not allowed to make Cena more interesting or freshen up his act? It's like saying you can try to make Carrot Top funnier, but can't change his props. That's whole reason WHY he's not funny. I think we can all agree Cena's comedic timing is far superior to Carrot Top's when he's left to his own devices and not reciting a script. Besides, the stip says you can't turn him heel or make him an anti hero, it didn't say you couldn't change him at all. I wasn't comparing their comic timing, I was saying they rely on respective shtick that is beyond played out and stale. And you said we couldn't give him an edge. Which is exactly what he needs. He doesn't need to be an anti-hero, but the Jim Carrey faces and shtick needs to be replaced with something a little more relatable to everyone over all to freshen his act up. I'd mature the character somewhat. Make him a little more battle weary. I don't like that he's basically an A.D.D 8 year old most times Freaky Friday'd into a giant body. I think the guy's an amazing performer and best talent they have. I WANT to like him. But his shtick and predictable, unrealistic reactions to things makes me cringe. I'd like if they tried to balance his act out more, instead of keeping it the same exact polarized act, aimed at only one portion of the audience exclusively.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 17, 2013 14:27:42 GMT -5
Kofi wrestles Wade
During the match, I'd have the commentators have a lengthy discussion about Miley Cyrus, with only occasional references to the match in question
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 17, 2013 14:36:56 GMT -5
Kofi wrestles Wade During the match, I'd have the commentators have a lengthy discussion about Miley Cyrus, with only occasional references to the match in question Will the commentators have a twerk off?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 14:38:30 GMT -5
I'd make Cena a mentor/manager to a group of faces feuding with The Authority. Guys like The Usos, PTP, Kofi, guys who could actually use the rub from being associated with Cena. Bryan, Punk, Ziggler, I'd let them be their own people.
Brodus, I'd get him out of the feud with Woods/Truth ASAP, because I see no way that can help him that doesn't involve squashing Truth/Woods, which would be a waste of time. I'd make Brodus the heel version of Big E. and have him take the IC Title from him at WrestleMania.
The Shield, I'd need to find a way to freshen them up if they're gonna stay together. Maybe have them get sick of being used by The Authority and turn them face. If I were going to break them up, Ambrose and Rollins would be staying heel while Reigns goes face(and wins the US Title at WrestleMania).
I'd book a tag team tournament to begin the Raw after the Rumble and conclude at Elimination Chamber, with the winners facing the Champs at WrestleMania. I'd also take the belts off of CodyDust(probably have The Wyatts win them) and phase Goldust out of his wrestling role while pushing Cody in the mid-card.
The Elimination Chamber match would be used to crown a US Title contender and give six mid-carders a rub. If The Shield goes face, Sandow would win it and unseat Ambrose at WrestleMania. Otherwise, Rhodes gets the win and launches into a feud based off him losing the title match.
Barrett would actually wrestle, not the Bad News Barrett crap he's doing now.
As for the Divas, I'd shelve the Total Divas angle as quickly as I could and realign the division:
Faces: Naomi, The Bellas, JoJo, Natalya, Kaitlyn, Aksana, Rosa Heels: AJ, Summer Rae, Tamina, Alicia, Layla, Eva Marie, Cameron
I'd also set up an actual title match for WrestleMania, with AJ finally losing the title, probably to Brie, as the last remnants of the Total Divas angle.
Punk, I'd make him a part-time commentator, maybe give him Riley's spot on Superstars, while still keeping him a fixture on Raw.
Bryan... WWE's screwed up his push so much, it might be easier to take him off TV for a bit, then bring him back with a renewed push.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 17, 2013 14:47:08 GMT -5
John Cena and Randy Orton are in the ring with the guest host, the midget from Chelsea Lately.
The midget knocks Orton out of the ring with a light slap to the face. Cena looks shocked, then turns to the camera and shrugs animatedly, while a "WAH WAH WAH" sound effect plays.
He then shakes the midget's hand, and the midget squeezes it, causing Cena to start hopping up and down to indicate to the crowd that he's in great pain. The midget then knocks Cena out with a gentle push.
The midget then raises his hands, holding Orton's title belts. Orton and Cena then get back into the ring, smiling, and lift the midget onto their shoulders and wave to the crowd, while Michael Cole says "hahahaha, oh what a night, now ladies and gentlemen, we are getting closer to our next major PPV, the Royal Rumble, can John Cena defeat 29 other men, in order to get a shot at the WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton in the next chapter of this violent and brutal rivalry???"
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Post by tekkenguy on Dec 17, 2013 14:54:40 GMT -5
Rather than faces and heels, I'd split the WWE between the corporate loyals (Cena, Del Rio, Ryback etc.) and the smark-favorited rebels (Punk, Bryan, The Shield, etc.) with a few neutral guys like the Wyatt Family.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 17, 2013 15:03:02 GMT -5
Rather than faces and heels, I'd split the WWE between the corporate loyals (Cena, Del Rio, Ryback etc.) and the smark-favorited rebels (Punk, Bryan, The Shield, etc.) with a few neutral guys like the Wyatt Family. It seems kind of forced that all the "smark favorites" have to be the rebels, and all the "smark-hated" have to be ass-licking corporate shills. "BY GOD (WE MEAN SCIENCE, THERE IS NO GOD), WE HATE THIS COMPANY, AND WE'RE TOO GOOD FOR THIS SHIT! AND WE'RE ONLY HERE TO STEAL YOUR PAYCHECKS! WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE! STEROID TRIALS TNA MARTHA HART CHRIS BENOIT!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 15:03:33 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with Cena's act, he's just stale as the top guy. At this point, I'd have him be in more of a veteran workhorse position who is used to elevate guys on the cusp of stardom with ****+ matches and helps put them over as a legitimate title threat.
Essentially, he needs to be doing exactly what he's doing right now, but not in the same spot on the card.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 17, 2013 15:04:07 GMT -5
I'd have Daniel Bryan take a violent beating, with....whichever Bella he's banging, tearfully pleading with the attacker to cease their assault upon her soulmate and the love of her life.
Two segments later, both Bellas will be either side of the guest host, Uncle Phil from "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" flirting with him, implying that being guest host has its perks, namely sexual access to the Bella twins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 15:07:22 GMT -5
Two segments later, both Bellas will be either side of the guest host, Uncle Phil from "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" flirting with him, implying that being guest host has its perks, namely sexual access to the Bella twins. James Avery as guest host might be the greatest booking decision anyone could ever make in any wrestling company. I'd pair him all night with David "Carlton" Otunga as they chase down the standard guest host comedy troop of Santino, Ryder, Khali, and Hornswoggle, who are all dressed as turtles, with help from the Nasty Boys. "Blast those wretched reptiles," indeed.
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Post by tekkenguy on Dec 17, 2013 15:12:04 GMT -5
Actually, I'd reinforce the brand split and allow two midcards to really be reconstructed.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 17, 2013 15:15:30 GMT -5
WWE DID YOU KNOW?...
That more people used Twitter during WWE Monday Night RAW than Game of Thrones, Homeland and The Walking Dead....because those three shows actually hold their viewer's attentions for the duration of the time they are on air?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 17, 2013 15:42:02 GMT -5
Enjoying Hit Girl's posts here more than the collective product right now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 15:46:27 GMT -5
Seriously, I don't know what else you do other than make the show more diverse and feature more female talent. I can't devote the brainpower to this like I once could...
Possibly cut down on that hokey random humor they do so damned much on the show in general. I dunno, I feel like John Cena's the dancing monkey that he is because someone figures he's got to be or the little boys won't listen to a word he says. Not that he's the only problem but it really seems it's magnified whenever he's in the ring and the camera is on.
I can take little kid humor, but one thing about a show like Adventure Time that with their surreal humor I'd never sit back and call it stupid. WWE written humor is just stupid at worst and inoffensively uncool at best.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 17, 2013 15:55:35 GMT -5
I dunno, I feel like John Cena's the dancing monkey that he is because someone figures he's got to be or the little boys won't listen to a word he says. I think that's just a flawed perception issue based on some of the fluttering helicopter parents that make up my milquetoast generation right now. Funnily enough MORE children actually watched WWE during Austin's run collectively. More kids actually watched RAW during its TV14 phase. It's become this urban legend today that kids are the main demo. They're not. By a significant numerical degree. They're just the one's that WWE courts in hopes of "hooking" them for life and retraining them from scratch over the (jaded) generation who remembers a far more functional time.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 17, 2013 15:57:10 GMT -5
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