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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 19, 2013 1:07:06 GMT -5
When you hear about the prima donna shit he pulled in WWE, I'm betting the majority of his setbacks were self-inflicted. Couple that with him being a less talented Lex Luger type that had a body and not much else.and he achieved about what he was capable of doing Yeah, you don't disrespect, ignore, and think you know more about wrestling than Pat freaking Patterson. And you especially don't do it your first night in the company. Hogan, Rock, Austin, Savage, Foley, Taker, HBK, Triple H, Bret, Jericho, and countless others that are bigger stars than Buff, all listened to Pat, and followed what he told them to do in front of the crowd. There's a reason wrestlers liked it when Patterson helped put together a match, and a reason he put together some of the biggest and most memorable matches ever.
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Post by jimmyjames on Dec 19, 2013 4:43:55 GMT -5
When you hear about the prima donna shit he pulled in WWE, I'm betting the majority of his setbacks were self-inflicted. Couple that with him being a less talented Lex Luger type that had a body and not much else.and he achieved about what he was capable of doing Yeah, you don't disrespect, ignore, and think you know more about wrestling than Pat freaking Patterson. And you especially don't do it your first night in the company. Hogan, Rock, Austin, Savage, Foley, Taker, HBK, Triple H, Bret, Jericho, and countless others that are bigger stars than Buff, all listened to Pat, and followed what he told them to do in front of the crowd. There's a reason wrestlers liked it when Patterson helped put together a match, and a reason he put together some of the biggest and most memorable matches ever. For all the talk, about Judy and his in ring persona, no matter how much truth there is to it, this sums up perfectly why Buff never became bigger. If that's how you act with Pat Patterson, think of his attitude in WCW with others backstage.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2013 5:06:39 GMT -5
I could see him as being a decent transitional WCW champ, but he more or less reached his full potential, I think, as an upper-midcarder of sorts.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 19, 2013 6:18:42 GMT -5
I think the fact that Bagwell didn't get any sort of meaningful run in TNA says it all really. Bagwell was still young, not any more injury ravaged than he was in WCW and most importantly of all, TNA were throwing money at anyone and everyone with any sort of name value, no matter how they may have been in the past. They signed Hall, Nash, Hogan, Shane Douglas, Scott Steiner, the Dudlies, Xpac, the Nasty Boys, yet Bagwell was where they drew the line.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 19, 2013 8:58:37 GMT -5
When he came back from the neck injury he was over. When he and Scott Steiner were cutting arrogant heel nwo promos, he was over. He and Booker T were given a super coveted spot as the first wcw match on wwf tv. He pissed off the wwf officials who were LOOKING to be pissed off.
And then like that they buried him. Buried him to the point the iwc looks at him with disgust to this day. I remember when they didn't though. I remember when he was the next guy. But he was the wrong person on the wrong day in the wrong place and his career was destroyed forever.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 19, 2013 10:37:43 GMT -5
Ironically Bagwell was best served as a tag wrestler. He was kind of the WCW version of Billy Gunn in that respect. Good look, seemingly decent, not much charisma on the mic, etc. Put the guy in a tag team with an over partner (Scorpio, Patriot, even Riggs) and he was decent. But on his own he just wasn't a good enough worker and got so utterly lazy post neck injury that he wasn't worth pushing.
Seriously, Bagwell vs. Disco a good match? Ha. When the guy's best singles work consisted of a couple of passable matches with DDP (whose plan everything style got a decent outing from DAVID FLAIR), it's time to admit the guy sucked. Half the time he couldn't even hit the Blockbuster properly and that was his finisher. And Bagwell also had the single worst swinging neckbreaker I've ever seen. He whiffed on it all the time. Once he hooked up with Steiner and got even bigger and less mobile, he was even worse.
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Post by SOR on Dec 19, 2013 10:59:46 GMT -5
Seriously, Bagwell vs. Disco a good match? Ha. Have you seen it? Because a lot of people on this board will claim something sucked without seeing it and that's pretty dangerous. Bagwell also had good matches with Scott Steiner by the way.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Dec 19, 2013 11:16:09 GMT -5
Ive always liked him. His taunt always cracked me up back in the day he was always entertaining to me. Sold pretty good too. Definitely should have gotten better than he got. I kinda agree with him on them sabotaging WCW from the start by not having him and Booker T have their match a week later you know in freaking Atlanta!!!!!!!
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 19, 2013 11:24:53 GMT -5
Buff had a good look, but that was about it. he was only average on the mic and post-neck injury his ring work was lazy and terrible. he's the kind of guy you'd only push beyond the midcard if you had a dearth of true main event level talent, basically the kind of guy WWE would give the WHC to if they wanted to push a guy but never really commit to him. even in its dying days WCW still had too many other guys like Booker T, DDP, Kanyon etc. who were just better, plus they were giving Lance Storm a rocket push too. there were too many other guys who were better pushes long term than Buff. factor in his terrible attitude and the fact that he's the biggest mama's boy in industry history and it's no surprise he never got further.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 19, 2013 11:27:32 GMT -5
Seriously, Bagwell vs. Disco a good match? Ha. Have you seen it? Because a lot of people on this board will claim something sucked without seeing it and that's pretty dangerous. See that cabbageboy? You're being threatened. Are you Liam Neeson, sor?
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Post by Scott Parker on Dec 19, 2013 16:53:14 GMT -5
Bagwell was always a pretty good talent. In WCW, he got as far as he was going to go, because they had more main event level talent than they knew what to do with. If he wouldn't have rubbed everybody in the WWE the wrong way, he could have had decent mid-card run, possibly main events on a handful of the lesser PPVs. May have been more fondly remembered, too.
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Post by SOR on Dec 19, 2013 20:59:54 GMT -5
Have you seen it? Because a lot of people on this board will claim something sucked without seeing it and that's pretty dangerous. See that cabbageboy? You're being threatened. Are you Liam Neeson, sor? I don't know who you are, I don't know what you wan...No seriously it's dangerous because people look silly when they talk about how they remember things that don't happen. For example, The Death of WCW book claims that WCW was doing a masked man gimmick in 2001 and that the masked man attacked Rick Steiner but then the week after it was revealed to be Rick Steiner. This never happened yet a lot of FAN members will say they remember laughing at the angle etc etc. A lot of people know their WCW history simply from WWE DVD's and that book.
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 19, 2013 21:33:14 GMT -5
If he really let himself go, I'd say maybe 400-450 pounds. Would have to call him "Double Stuff" Bagwell or something
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 20, 2013 3:45:18 GMT -5
See that cabbageboy? You're being threatened. Are you Liam Neeson, sor? I don't know who you are, I don't know what you wan...No seriously it's dangerous because people look silly when they talk about how they remember things that don't happen. For example, The Death of WCW book claims that WCW was doing a masked man gimmick in 2001 and that the masked man attacked Rick Steiner but then the week after it was revealed to be Rick Steiner. This never happened yet a lot of FAN members will say they remember laughing at the angle etc etc. A lot of people know their WCW history simply from WWE DVD's and that book. I watched WCW in the 90s myself, so I am fully aware of the phenomenon you refer to. I just thought it was hilarious to refer to it as 'dangerous' when all it might do is make you look like a dick on the internet.
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Post by SOR on Dec 20, 2013 4:35:01 GMT -5
I don't know who you are, I don't know what you wan...No seriously it's dangerous because people look silly when they talk about how they remember things that don't happen. For example, The Death of WCW book claims that WCW was doing a masked man gimmick in 2001 and that the masked man attacked Rick Steiner but then the week after it was revealed to be Rick Steiner. This never happened yet a lot of FAN members will say they remember laughing at the angle etc etc. A lot of people know their WCW history simply from WWE DVD's and that book. I watched WCW in the 90s myself, so I am fully aware of the phenomenon you refer to. I just thought it was hilarious to refer to it as 'dangerous' when all it might do is make you look like a dick on the internet. I definitely have better things to do then threaten someone online.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 20, 2013 4:48:54 GMT -5
I watched WCW in the 90s myself, so I am fully aware of the phenomenon you refer to. I just thought it was hilarious to refer to it as 'dangerous' when all it might do is make you look like a dick on the internet. I definitely have better things to do then threaten someone online. I didn't think you were threatening anyone, it was just an amusing choice of words. 'It's dangerous to think Wish You Were Here is better than Dark Side Of The Moon!'
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 20, 2013 5:40:11 GMT -5
Honestly I reckon he was pushed to the be of his abilities which really was a midcarder at best. That and he got a nasty reality check when the WWE made it quite clear they wouldn't put up with his bullshit like WCW would.
Also that stupid top hat made him look like he was wearing a godamm ribbed comdon on his freak head.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 20, 2013 9:43:38 GMT -5
Him and Steiner were maybe the funniest tag team ever. Dude certainly had the look. I think fans unjustly crapped on his one match on RAW that basically buried his career.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 20, 2013 9:54:45 GMT -5
Bare in mind that when I say I think he could have been a bigger star, I don't mean I envision him as every being World Champion. But I definitely think he could have been a solid upper card performer. I actually do think he should have gotten a run with the US title, particularly when he came back from that neck injury. And I could easily have seen him doing pre-main event matches instead of lower card stuff. Basically he could have been a WCW version of Christian.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 20, 2013 10:10:31 GMT -5
The key moment that they could have strapped a rocket to Buff was when he returned from the neck injury. They were teasing a face turn and the fans were behind it, and it could have been great with Buff being a long tenured WCW wrestler returning to the fold to fight against the nWo and his former running buddy Scott Steiner, but WCW blew it by swerving the fans and having him return to the crowded ranks of the nWo.
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