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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 18, 2013 17:57:21 GMT -5
We still have Christmas trees, Christmas cookies, Christmas break, and Christmas plays. We even have a nativity play every couple of years. That's the way it should be. Of course you should learn about and recognize other religious holidays as well, but it causes no problem to call a spade a spade. Calling it anything else is just being disingenuous and offensive. It's almost as bad as the BCE/CE dating system. BCE/CE works so you don't have that weird 30 year span where no history occurred. There is no such span in the BC/AD system.
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Post by Cela on Dec 18, 2013 18:50:01 GMT -5
BCE/CE works so you don't have that weird 30 year span where no history occurred. There is no such span in the BC/AD system. I knew some who prescribed to After Death as opposed to Anno Domini. It led to some weirdness.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 18, 2013 18:57:05 GMT -5
There is no such span in the BC/AD system. I knew some who prescribed to After Death as opposed to Anno Domini. It led to some weirdness. Well, yeah, that misunderstanding would do it. My last off-topic comment on this issue--the primary reason I hate BCE/CE is because it's historically false. Nothing occurred between 1 year Before the Common Era and year 1 of the Common Era to warrant a historical shift of where the world suddenly has a "Common Era" It still revolves around the approximant year of Jesus of Nazareth's birth. If you're going to do it--and I think you shouldn't--then you'd have to pick a date that can claim to have united the world into a Common Era. Essentially 1492 should be 1 CE, because it led to the world becoming truly connected for the first time. Essentially the BCE/CE system is cannibalizing the Christian Calendar and trying to act like it's something new, which is both wrong and offensive. ---- Back on topic--I do enjoy Christmas Plays of all types. Even secular ones can be done in a way that pleases religious and non-religious people. Telling a Christmas Carol without "Christmas" is doable, but unnecessary.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 18, 2013 21:34:09 GMT -5
Never ran into this, personally. It sounds absolutely terrible. I would consider myself to be a very liberal person, but damn it if I don't cringe every time I hear something like "holiday tree" or "holiday cookies". I friggin hate that term. It's not a "holiday tree", it's a "Christmas tree". We only use it to celebrate Christmas. If you're gonna call it a "holiday tree", then you better damn well keep it up all year so we can use it to celebrate Valentines and Easter with it. I'm tempted to bust the Christmas Tree out for Halloween.Some fake cobwebs,some little plastic pumpkins and skulls,orange lights and a witch on top.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 22:23:49 GMT -5
My elementary school in the '90s was FAAAR from politically correct, so every Christmas thing we did was very "Christmas" centric. If it gives you any idea of what the area is like, I didn't even encounter a non-white child until 8th grade, so I don't think it was active xenophobia or intentional racism so much as it was other cultures just not crossing anyone's minds in the slightest, because they never encountered any.
In fact, the very first thing we ever did in my kindergarten class was to make feather headdresses and coffee can drums, so we could march in a circle and clap our hands over our mouths chanting "a-wa-wa-wa, the injun beats his drum." It's funny to think of how mundane that seemed in 1990 vs the shitstorm it would cause today.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 19, 2013 3:11:34 GMT -5
We did some play in 6th grade or so which combined all the greatness of Christianity with haha-hilarious Mexican stereotypes.
I'm glad this dying.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 19, 2013 3:25:20 GMT -5
We didn't really have much in the way of Christmas stuff in public school, but then my town also has a pretty decent sized Jewish population.
"Holiday tree" is just dumb, though. It's a Christmas tree unless your religion/culture is where the Christians got the idea for a Christmas tree from.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 19, 2013 3:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 19, 2013 4:41:43 GMT -5
You know what? This whole war on Christmas thing is just people getting offended on behalf of non-christians when I've never met a non-Christian that had a problem with it.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 19, 2013 5:05:15 GMT -5
The people who declare war on Christmas are really just people being trolls.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 19, 2013 5:52:32 GMT -5
What's next, taking the 1800s stereotypical Jewish character out of it and calling it "A Night at the Cratchits"??
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Post by chazraps on Dec 19, 2013 10:46:26 GMT -5
You know what? This whole war on Christmas thing is just people getting offended on behalf of non-christians when I've never met a non-Christian that had a problem with it. Well, that's a tricky statement. I mean, I don't believe the "War on Christmas" exists, BUT, I've known plenty of non-Christians who take issue, and perhaps rightfully so, with Christmas being shoved down their throats as the one and only be-all and end-all holiday in November/December. Like, it is a bit of a social irritant to a lot of people to just assume they celebrate Christmas and wishing them a "Merry Christmas." Wishing "Happy Holidays" to strangers thoughtfully eliminates that problem.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 19, 2013 11:59:59 GMT -5
The War on Christmas is an invention by Fox News pundits who perceive a loss of absolute privilege as persecution. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 19, 2013 12:05:49 GMT -5
The War on Christmas is an invention by Fox News pundits who perceive a loss of absolute privilege as persecution. Nothing more, nothing less. Very interesting take. I laugh at the thought of "war on Christmas" given that there are at least two places I know of locally (big time places) that play Christmas songs that include Jesus in the lyrics. Mighty big war, there is. Or maybe the opposition is not winning or maybe there is no war at all. For all the grief Tom Cruise, deservedly received, for comparing his life to that of a soldier, those who call it a "war" on Christmas should receive similar grief and especially from the soldiers serving overseas and the veterans of wars' past.
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Post by Cela on Dec 19, 2013 14:17:57 GMT -5
I would say that my favorite part of the classic 2012 film opus Last Ounce of Courage was the return of Fred Williamson to the silver screen, THE HAMMER! They even call his character The Hammer!My 3rd or 4th favorite part was the bizarre secular nativity play written by the thinly veiled gay stereotype theater teacher, in which the wise men are aliens, and performed by children who have for the most part never heard of Christianity. It's ok gets locked in a closet, FOR FREEDOM! I watched this movie yesterday thanks to you. THANK YOU!
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 19, 2013 14:55:12 GMT -5
I would say that my favorite part of the classic 2012 film opus Last Ounce of Courage was the return of Fred Williamson to the silver screen, THE HAMMER! They even call his character The Hammer!My 3rd or 4th favorite part was the bizarre secular nativity play written by the thinly veiled gay stereotype theater teacher, in which the wise men are aliens, and performed by children who have for the most part never heard of Christianity. It's ok gets locked in a closet, FOR FREEDOM! I watched this movie yesterday thanks to you. THANK YOU! Isn't it amazing? I'm so happy they advertised it on Raw and I heard about it in time to catch it in an otherwise empty theater. How about that awful CG?
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Post by Cela on Dec 19, 2013 15:43:37 GMT -5
I watched this movie yesterday thanks to you. THANK YOU! Isn't it amazing? I'm so happy they advertised it on Raw and I heard about it in time to catch it in an otherwise empty theater. How about that awful CG? A running joke with my friend was the War. Movie takes place in 2012, dad died 14 years beforehand, so... Kosovo? He wasn't in UN peacekeeper gear. Explain this! Also random beard dude. And Satan being written on the wall in the warzone. And... just everything. Riding a hog through a cemetary trailing a flag, that's got to be 18 strikes on the karma meter at least.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 19, 2013 15:48:07 GMT -5
Isn't it amazing? I'm so happy they advertised it on Raw and I heard about it in time to catch it in an otherwise empty theater. How about that awful CG? A running joke with my friend was the War. Movie takes place in 2012, dad died 14 years beforehand, so... Kosovo? He wasn't in UN peacekeeper gear. Explain this! Also random beard dude. And Satan being written on the wall in the warzone. And... just everything. Riding a hog through a cemetary trailing a flag, that's got to be 18 strikes on the karma meter at least. The weird subplot of like, whatever... something to do with what Bob did or did not do in Vietnam, lol. His friend selling out Christmas behind his back in a shady backroom deal. Gen Fukunaga's name in the credits, all that money he made from cropping DBZ helped give the world this gift that just kind of makes it all better. Well, that and the R1 Dragon Boxes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 16:01:55 GMT -5
I do agree that calling a Christmas tree a "holiday tree" is silly not because it's an attack on Christmas, but on the grounds that it's not really associated with any other holiday. What else could it be but a Christmas tree? You wouldn't call a dreidel a "holiday top."*
*...at least I hope not, anyway.
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Post by Cela on Dec 19, 2013 17:28:02 GMT -5
A running joke with my friend was the War. Movie takes place in 2012, dad died 14 years beforehand, so... Kosovo? He wasn't in UN peacekeeper gear. Explain this! Also random beard dude. And Satan being written on the wall in the warzone. And... just everything. Riding a hog through a cemetary trailing a flag, that's got to be 18 strikes on the karma meter at least. The weird subplot of like, whatever... something to do with what Bob did or did not do in Vietnam, lol. His friend selling out Christmas behind his back in a shady backroom deal. Gen Fukunaga's name in the credits, all that money he made from cropping DBZ helped give the world this gift that just kind of makes it all better. Well, that and the R1 Dragon Boxes. "We lost touch with our daughter long ago, no idea what she's doing, we didn't see eye to eye on certain things." Daughter turns out to be the local news anchor. And don't forget Evil Black Jewish "ACLU" Lawyer! Did he tear down the tree? Who knows! Ask Santa/God/ZZ Top.
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