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Post by chazraps on Dec 18, 2013 20:34:53 GMT -5
Thread's not about that, it's about popping off at the mouth and spreading wilding ignorant, inaccurate hurtful statements to the media. If you can't get forced off TV for that, what can you get forced off for? I shudder to think about what he would say about B2K. And the thread isn't about some B2K bullshit either. But what I said goes along with what you are saying about making statements to the media. If someone doesn't believe A, B and C should it be in their contract that they cannot talk about not believing A, B and C? Yes, and many contracts already have that. It's so that networks/studios/companies investing in a performer doesn't undo their work by poppin' off at the mouth spewing hate and ignorance.
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Post by BRV on Dec 18, 2013 20:35:14 GMT -5
I haven't really gone out of my way to look at anuses for points of comparison, but does he even know what a vagina looks like? They're pretty freakin' ugly. Maybe he's some sort of anatomy scholar. He says, "It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer." Perhaps he's put a lot of time and effort into studying a man's anus and a woman's vagina and has discovered that there are more sexual stimulants in the vagina. Or maybe he's had sex with a man and has the sexual experience to make such a statement and present it as fact.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 20:36:09 GMT -5
Ah freedom
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Dec 18, 2013 20:36:56 GMT -5
I think we're keeping it fairly civil so far. That's what blows my mind. Everywhere else I see this, it's a real donnybrook about religious stuff. I'm quite impressed honestly. I think we can attribute that solely to the thread's B2K presence. Instead of a warning to lock threads when they get too hostile, I motion to start a new form rule that all warnings come with a YouTube embedded B2K video to diffuse the tensions a bit. All in favor?
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 18, 2013 20:37:01 GMT -5
I certainly don't agree with anything he said but I think forcing him off TV is ridiculous. Should we screen every TV star, actor or reality star to make sure they believe A, B and C before they are allowed to be on TV? Or if they don't believe A, B and C then put in their contract that they cannot reveal that they don't believe A, B and C? It's not a matter of what he believes or doesn't believe; anyone's free to say or do what they please (within the law, obviously). It's making a public spectacle of yourself and making comments that are insanely insensitive at best, thoroughly offensive at worst, and ignorant in every way, to an enormous segment of the population, a portion of whom may well be among your fans, or at the very least may be fans of the network you work for. If you're going to put your network's image at risk like that, then yeah, they're going to kick you off; very little to do with personal beliefs and much more to do with public conduct.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Dec 18, 2013 20:37:11 GMT -5
I think the dude just harbors some mixed up feelings about gays because of a traumatic experience he had with another man a long long time ago....
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Post by BRV on Dec 18, 2013 20:38:01 GMT -5
And the thread isn't about some B2K bullshit either. But what I said goes along with what you are saying about making statements to the media. If someone doesn't believe A, B and C should it be in their contract that they cannot talk about not believing A, B and C? Yes, and many contracts already have that. It's so that networks/studios/companies investing in a performer doesn't undo their work by poppin' off at the mouth spewing hate and ignorance. Yeah, pretty much any job you're hired for, whether it's working retail or as an investment banker, has some sort of clause that coincides with it that absolves the company of any liability if the employee goes off the rails and starts spouting off on Twitter, Facebook or any other means of public interaction.
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Post by Bootista on Dec 18, 2013 20:38:45 GMT -5
I took American Government so I'm well aware of what it means. I don't appreciate being talked down to either. Then please don't misuse the First Amendment in a response. I don't feel I've misused it.
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Post by slappy on Dec 18, 2013 20:39:57 GMT -5
I certainly don't agree with anything he said but I think forcing him off TV is ridiculous. Should we screen every TV star, actor or reality star to make sure they believe A, B and C before they are allowed to be on TV? Or if they don't believe A, B and C then put in their contract that they cannot reveal that they don't believe A, B and C? People are allowed to have their own set of beliefs and opinions, but when you say something intentionally hurtful and offensive that denigrates a group of people, you should understand that there are consequences. Comparing homosexuality to beastiality and terrorism, for example. Or equating black people to trash, albeit "white" trash, is another. Look at it this way: if any of us said those things publicly at our jobs, would we honestly expect to walk back into work the next day and not face any sort of repercussions? I don't feel denigrated. And I'm not going to let some reality TV star hurt my feelings or make me upset. If you work at an office and suddenly burst out with these comments disrupting the work day, I'd think you'd get in trouble but that'd probably have to do with the disruption and not the comments. Any disruption or distraction would cause trouble.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2013 20:41:14 GMT -5
People are allowed to have their own set of beliefs and opinions, but when you say something intentionally hurtful and offensive that denigrates a group of people, you should understand that there are consequences. Comparing homosexuality to beastiality and terrorism, for example. Or equating black people to trash, albeit "white" trash, is another. Look at it this way: if any of us said those things publicly at our jobs, would we honestly expect to walk back into work the next day and not face any sort of repercussions? I don't feel denigrated. And I'm not going to let some reality TV star hurt my feelings or make me upset. If you work at an office and suddenly burst out with these comments disrupting the work day, I'd think you'd get in trouble but that'd probably have to do with the disruption and not the comments. Any disruption or distraction would cause trouble. You don't think these comments are causing/will cause a massive disruption for everyone involved with managing the multimedia juggernaut that is Duck Dynasty? A huge multimillion dollar enterprise just went from being silly and wholesome to racist homophobic and wholesome-in-the-sense-of-old movies-from-the-10s-40s-that-require-apologies-from-Leonard-Maltin-on-the-disc.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 18, 2013 20:44:52 GMT -5
But what does Paul Kariya think? The hockey player?
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 18, 2013 20:45:52 GMT -5
I don't feel denigrated. And I'm not going to let some reality TV star hurt my feelings or make me upset. If you work at an office and suddenly burst out with these comments disrupting the work day, I'd think you'd get in trouble but that'd probably have to do with the disruption and not the comments. Any disruption or distraction would cause trouble. You don't think these comments are causing/will cause a massive disruption for everyone involved with managing the multimedia juggernaut that is Duck Dynasty? They'll get over it, I doubt it will actually amount to anything.
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Post by BRV on Dec 18, 2013 20:46:43 GMT -5
I don't feel denigrated. And I'm not going to let some reality TV star hurt my feelings or make me upset. If you work at an office and suddenly burst out with these comments disrupting the work day, I'd think you'd get in trouble but that'd probably have to do with the disruption and not the comments. Any disruption or distraction would cause trouble. A lot of companies now have it in their employee handbook that they reserve the right to fire an employee if they go onto social media and spout off like Robertson did. Because we aren't famous and don't have a pulpit like GQ Magazine to speak our rhetoric, we have Facebook and Twitter. And if an employee goes onto a public social media site and begins browbeating homosexuals, they're likely to have a chat with the boss the next day, that would likely end in a suspension or a firing. And I don't know the percentage of the audience, but how do you think the gay men who watch "Duck Dynasty" feel today, that they've been publicly shamed by the star of the show, equated to terrorists or people who have sex with animals? They're probably a little upset right about now.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 18, 2013 20:47:22 GMT -5
Then please don't misuse the First Amendment in a response. I don't feel I've misused it. Yes you did. No one was saying he should've been jailed or arrested, which is what freedom of speech covers: the right to say any dumb or stupid thing you want (as long as it doesn't incite violence or is blatant slander) without fear of repercussion from the government. Freedom of speech also covers: 1. The ability to call him an asshole and not respect a thing he said. 2. The ability to boycott him or his business because you think he's an asshole. 3. The ability to pressure a private business that employs him to suspend or fire him for being an asshole. 4. The ability for people to treat him like a pariah for being an asshole. Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism or consequence. Amazing Kitsune said that people "on other forums" were calling for his arrest, and if these people exist they would be wrong. But that has no relevance to the discussion here and it comes off like a boogeyman.
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Post by slappy on Dec 18, 2013 20:50:59 GMT -5
I don't feel denigrated. And I'm not going to let some reality TV star hurt my feelings or make me upset. If you work at an office and suddenly burst out with these comments disrupting the work day, I'd think you'd get in trouble but that'd probably have to do with the disruption and not the comments. Any disruption or distraction would cause trouble. You don't think these comments are causing/will cause a massive disruption for everyone involved with managing the multimedia juggernaut that is Duck Dynasty? I think it'll blow over. It's too big of a cash cow to go away because of these comments. He'll donate to GLAAD and take a sensitivity course or some other PR thing and it'll be forgotten about.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Dec 18, 2013 20:51:35 GMT -5
I was just thinking, should we change the thread title? He's no longer simply "in hot water" -- he's been suspended.
Just for anyone who might be seeing the thread for the first time, so they'll have the most updated info. Maybe put A&E's statement in the first post, too.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2013 20:52:25 GMT -5
You don't think these comments are causing/will cause a massive disruption for everyone involved with managing the multimedia juggernaut that is Duck Dynasty? I think it'll blow over. It's too big of a cash cow to go away because of these comments. He'll donate to GLAAD and take a sensitivity course or some other PR thing and it'll be forgotten about. Sounds like a disruption at minimum to me.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 18, 2013 20:52:56 GMT -5
Ain't no girls crazy for a sharp dressed douche.
Dehn neh neeeeh.
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 18, 2013 20:54:25 GMT -5
Does it really matter what a guy from Duck Dynasty said? One way or the other??? It's a f***ing low brow reality show. It doesn't matter. It has zero weight in anything remotely important. Homophobia is still as common as sunrise, so yes. I agree, that his guy is a douche, and I agree that homophobia is terribly common. But getting bent out of shape on the FAN boards? I dunno what that really solves. It won't change Phil Robertson's, (or whatever his name his opinions, or his followers/fans opinions. I doubt A&E will be able to handle the cancelling of Duck Dynasty, since that money talks (Unless sponsors leave). I guess we could all join in on the anger on facebook or something; send a bunch of hate mail to A&E, but I am guessing the hardcore crusaders are way ahead there. The forums, and this thread, have clearly established that homophobia is bad. Ok!!! Got it. Great, because I agree. Now what? What can we discuss now? How can we progress in a constructive discussion here?
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Post by BRV on Dec 18, 2013 20:56:15 GMT -5
You don't think these comments are causing/will cause a massive disruption for everyone involved with managing the multimedia juggernaut that is Duck Dynasty? I think it'll blow over. It's too big of a cash cow to go away because of these comments. He'll donate to GLAAD and take a sensitivity course or some other PR thing and it'll be forgotten about. I'm sure Paula Deen probably thought the same thing when news first broke about her earlier this summer.
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