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Post by gnr123 on Dec 24, 2013 0:09:56 GMT -5
..And no one gives a shit.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 24, 2013 9:30:04 GMT -5
I don't see what is racist about being King Booker being of royal decent.
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Post by Square on Dec 24, 2013 13:35:14 GMT -5
No less legendary than Doug Williams. Williams is a legend in the UK. He was a key member of the biggest promotion and time for wrestling since Big Daddy
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Post by austinariesfan88 on Dec 24, 2013 14:15:21 GMT -5
Nothing against Magnus but I really wish Desmond Wolfe/Nigel didn't have to retire because I really thought he is/was one of the best British wrestlers ever and should have been TNA champion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 14:20:28 GMT -5
Nigel says hi. Neither counts in my book as major wrestling promotion, but if TNA qualifies, so does ROH. Exactly. In my opinion, the ROH World Title had more credibility during the time Nigel was champion than the 2013 TNA World Title does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 16:29:43 GMT -5
No less legendary than Doug Williams. Williams is a legend in the UK. He was a key member of the biggest promotion and time for wrestling since Big Daddy Doug Williams is nowhere near Big Daddy on any scale (except actual wrestling ability). And Wade Barrett is much more well known than Doug Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 16:51:00 GMT -5
I like how TNA considers their title important.
And don't get me started on their loose use of the phrase "Major Promotion"
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Post by Square on Dec 24, 2013 17:07:09 GMT -5
Williams is a legend in the UK. He was a key member of the biggest promotion and time for wrestling since Big Daddy Doug Williams is nowhere near Big Daddy on any scale (except actual wrestling ability). And Wade Barrett is much more well known than Doug Williams. Read what I said, I said he was involved with FWA which was the biggest thing in British wrestling since Big Daddy. Also being well known isn't the be all and end all of legendary status
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 17:30:05 GMT -5
Doug Williams is nowhere near Big Daddy on any scale (except actual wrestling ability). And Wade Barrett is much more well known than Doug Williams. Read what I said, I said he was involved with FWA which was the biggest thing in British wrestling since Big Daddy. Also being well known isn't the be all and end all of legendary status Okay....FWA isn't comparable to ITV World of Sport on any scale. And you're right, being well known doesn't equal legendary. But replace Big Daddy with Wade Barrett in what I said earlier and it's still true.
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Post by Square on Dec 24, 2013 17:53:26 GMT -5
Read what I said, I said he was involved with FWA which was the biggest thing in British wrestling since Big Daddy. Also being well known isn't the be all and end all of legendary status Okay....FWA isn't comparable to ITV World of Sport on any scale. And you're right, being well known doesn't equal legendary. But replace Big Daddy with Wade Barrett in what I said earlier and it's still true. In between right now and 1990 when has British wrestling been more prevelant than when FWA was the figurehead getting thousands in, a weekly show on Talksport and British Uprising on Bravo. FWA was the biggest thing of the 00s and Williams was a major part of that, not only that but the guy is a legend in Japan. He took over the British wrestler role in Japan and is still loved over there.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Dec 25, 2013 0:07:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure this accomplishment was retroactively awarded to the clearly British World Heavyweight Champion King Booker. "Hulk Hogan, we coming for you wanker!"
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 25, 2013 3:16:46 GMT -5
I like how TNA considers their title important. And don't get me started on their loose use of the phrase "Major Promotion" Why shouldn't any wrestling promotion consider their title important?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 25, 2013 4:58:15 GMT -5
It's a shame that he's so terrible then.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 25, 2013 7:51:32 GMT -5
TNA shouldn't count unless it's like 08-12. The company is basically just a regional promotion now apart from the odd out of town event (Not including House Shows) TNA should have built this up more as well. Why would they not have him win the big one in front of his home crowd? Hell, have him win this tournament for a shot in England. Magnus winning in front of thousands of his home fans having a chance to witness history>Magnus winning in front of hundreds of Americans TNA does at least tour outside the US and is pretty successful here in the UK, I don't have the numbers, but their viewership is around WWE levels, I think they've beaten them a few times even. As for winning in front of his own fans, that'd be great, except they're turning him heel for it. Nice way to undercut a heel turn when the whole crowd is going nuts for the guy. It's just as well they're having a taping in Scotland where he can get some heat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2013 10:19:25 GMT -5
I know it's wrestling, so pretty much anything goes, and each promotion writes its own rules, but c'mon.
In an instance like this, where a promotion is claiming a "first (insert nationality or race here) world champion," it should only be done in a case where your promotion is actually making wrestling history by being the first company to do it. Then it means something. To claim you're the ones making history six years after another company did it first....... is lame.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 25, 2013 18:25:55 GMT -5
It's a shame that he's so terrible then. Except he's not terrible. He's a good wrestler who's solid on the mic, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2013 18:45:54 GMT -5
TNA does at least tour outside the US and is pretty successful here in the UK, I don't have the numbers, but their viewership is around WWE levels, I think they've beaten them a few times even. If we had an American like rating system TNA would be nowhere near WWE's number. TNA is available on every TV in the country, WWE is only available to a very small percentage of the population who pay for a premium Satellite or cable sports package. So TNA might be drawing a competitive amount of viewers to the WWE, but WWE is available on a hell of alot less TV's. Plus WWE's flagship programming runs at like 2am whereas TNA has a prime time slot. And WWE decimate TNA when it comes to live event attendances over here.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 25, 2013 20:42:20 GMT -5
It's a shame that he's so terrible then. Except he's not terrible. He's a good wrestler who's solid on the mic, imo. Earlier this year would have agreed with you. IMHO, he's been exposed as a mediocre worker ever since about September. EDIT: Not to mention he comes across as a company stooge always defending any bed decisions that TNA have made by attacking the people calling them out for it.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Dec 26, 2013 2:02:28 GMT -5
I know it's wrestling, so pretty much anything goes, and each promotion writes its own rules, but c'mon. In an instance like this, where a promotion is claiming a "first (insert nationality or race here) world champion," it should only be done in a case where your promotion is actually making wrestling history by being the first company to do it. Then it means something. To claim you're the ones making history six years after another company did it first....... is lame. Even if ROH isn't classed as an indy now, it certainly was when Nigel was champion.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 26, 2013 14:50:35 GMT -5
congrats to Magnus
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