ratetankmark
Samurai Cop
Equalist Lex Luthor
RIP Rik Mayall, you blimmen genius - Ria Vandervis on Rik Mayall
Posts: 2,426
|
Post by ratetankmark on Dec 24, 2013 17:41:34 GMT -5
That's what one of my friends genuinely said to me one day, now I don't like Batman as much as others, in fact I find him to be a bit of a hypocrite, but even I disagree that he was handed all of the gadgets and that sort of stuff.
|
|
|
Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 24, 2013 17:46:19 GMT -5
Didn't he make most of his gadgets? Or at least fund the people who did make them?
Now, Green Lantern...there's a hero who was handed everything on a silver platter.
|
|
ratetankmark
Samurai Cop
Equalist Lex Luthor
RIP Rik Mayall, you blimmen genius - Ria Vandervis on Rik Mayall
Posts: 2,426
|
Post by ratetankmark on Dec 24, 2013 17:50:28 GMT -5
Didn't he make most of his gadgets? Or at least fund the people who did make them? Now, Green Lantern...there's a hero who was handed everything on a silver platter. I only know the basic power of the Green Lantern, how was he handed everything on a silver platter?
|
|
|
Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 24, 2013 17:54:44 GMT -5
Batman was not handed everything. Being rich certainly helped, no question. However, you can be rich and still be a screw up. He worked when it came to his craft.
Superman was handed everything.
|
|
|
Post by The Tank on Dec 24, 2013 17:55:10 GMT -5
He created the gadgets, yeah, but he certainly didn't earn the materials or the money to obtain the materials.
He wasn't handed "everything" on a silver platter, but yeah, the only reason he pulled off being Batman was because he was born rich.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 17:55:25 GMT -5
Except for the whole "parents getting murdered and traveling around the world to train with ninjas and magicians thing".
|
|
|
Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 24, 2013 17:59:41 GMT -5
He wasn't handed "everything" on a silver platter, but yeah, the only reason he pulled off being Batman was because he was born rich. Being rich doesn't give you super ninja skillz, a great scientific mind, nor does it give you the ability to mope and mope and mope and still look cool. Batman has all those things because he's a hard worker. His gadgets are secondary. If Alfred lost all of the Wayne Family's money and skipped the country, then Batman would still have been a successful crime fighter. And he would have had one more thing to whine about. (I love Batman)
|
|
|
Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 24, 2013 18:01:15 GMT -5
Batman was not handed everything. Being rich certainly helped, no question. However, you can be rich and still be a screw up. He worked when it came to his craft. Superman was handed everything. You can also have a lot of powers and still be a screw up as well. Superman worked to hone his powers, and use them for good. Also his powers were handed to him by his home world blowing up, his parents sending him to Earth so that he would live, and him being the last of a race.
|
|
|
Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 24, 2013 18:07:08 GMT -5
Batman was not handed everything. Being rich certainly helped, no question. However, you can be rich and still be a screw up. He worked when it came to his craft. Superman was handed everything. How so? For one thing, Superman not only has to deal with the loss of his parents just as Batman does, but in fact most of his entire species. His powers are a biological coincidence born from an attempt to get him off a planet primed to explode, they weren't consciously given to him just because. And in most Superman continuities (especially more recent ones), Superman messes a LOT of stuff up as Clark Kent while he tries to control his powers. Not to mention that for all his exploits and acclaim as Superman, Clark's still on a working stiff salary (or at least when you put him next to Bruce). I don't think you can paint either one of them as being lucky in any sense.
|
|
|
Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 24, 2013 18:07:20 GMT -5
Batman was not handed everything. Being rich certainly helped, no question. However, you can be rich and still be a screw up. He worked when it came to his craft. Superman was handed everything. You can also have a lot of powers and still be a screw up as well. Superman worked to hone his powers, and use them for good. Also his powers were handed to him by his home world blowing up, his parents sending him to Earth so that he would live, and him being the last of a race. Batman's parents were gunned down in front his eyes in a dirty, filthy alley. Ask the man about it sometime! Superman was raised by kindly old folk in friggin KANSAS. All that stuff that happened before he was born is not baggage--well, it is baggage--but it's not Bruce Wayne level baggage.
|
|
|
Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 24, 2013 18:08:52 GMT -5
I don't think you can paint either one of them as being lucky in any sense. One knows Karate and has a Swiss bank account. The other can shoot lasers out of his eyes.
|
|
|
Post by The Tank on Dec 24, 2013 18:19:42 GMT -5
He wasn't handed "everything" on a silver platter, but yeah, the only reason he pulled off being Batman was because he was born rich. Being rich doesn't give you super ninja skillz, a great scientific mind, nor does it give you the ability to mope and mope and mope and still look cool. Batman has all those things because he's a hard worker. His gadgets are secondary. If Alfred lost all of the Wayne Family's money and skipped the country, then Batman would still have been a successful crime fighter. And he would have had one more thing to whine about. (I love Batman) You're right, but being rich gave him the resources to obtain the best education possible, which gave him the super ninja skills and the scientific mind. That's not opinion, that's fact. And yeah, I know, "facts" about a fictional character don't really mean much, but I'm just trying to be objective here. I'm not saying he didn't earn his abilities. But he'd be a very different character if he weren't rich. Hell, honestly, I kind of want to see DC do an Elseworlds where Batman's born poor to see how he'd become Batman/what it would be like without an unlimited bank account.
|
|
|
Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 24, 2013 18:25:52 GMT -5
Being rich doesn't give you super ninja skillz, a great scientific mind, nor does it give you the ability to mope and mope and mope and still look cool. Batman has all those things because he's a hard worker. His gadgets are secondary. If Alfred lost all of the Wayne Family's money and skipped the country, then Batman would still have been a successful crime fighter. And he would have had one more thing to whine about. (I love Batman) You're right, but being rich gave him the resources to obtain the best education possible, which gave him the super ninja skills and the scientific mind. That's not opinion, that's fact. And yeah, I know, "facts" about a fictional character don't really mean much, but I'm just trying to be objective here. I'm not saying he didn't earn his abilities. But he'd be a very different character if he weren't rich. Hell, honestly, I kind of want to see DC do an Elseworlds where Batman's born poor to see how he'd become Batman/what it would be like without an unlimited bank account. They already did, kind of. Superman: Red Son, wherein Superman landed in Stalinist Ukraine rather than Kansas. Batman was, as I recall, the son of poor farmers. He still almost pulls a Batman Gambit in order to kill Superman. Somebody like Bruce Wayne is naturally resourceful--he'd find a way regardless of his socioeconomic status. Peter Parker, for example, didn't exactly have an upper class background but was able to invent amazing gadgets and become one of the most successful heroes of all time.
|
|
|
Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 24, 2013 18:27:30 GMT -5
Given their storylines over the years, we can all probably agree it sucks to be both of them and leave it at that.
|
|
|
Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 24, 2013 18:29:39 GMT -5
Given their storylines over the years, we can all probably agree it sucks to be both of them and leave it at that. True enough, but it sucks to be Spiderman most of all.
|
|
|
Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 24, 2013 18:48:38 GMT -5
Didn't he make most of his gadgets? Or at least fund the people who did make them? Now, Green Lantern...there's a hero who was handed everything on a silver platter. I only know the basic power of the Green Lantern, how was he handed everything on a silver platter? An alien comes down and hands him the ring. He's literally handed his powers.
|
|
Welfare Willis
Crow T. Robot
Pornomancer 555-BONE FDIC Bonsured
Game Center CX Kacho on!
Posts: 44,259
|
Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 24, 2013 18:50:11 GMT -5
Given their storylines over the years, we can all probably agree it sucks to be both of them and leave it at that. True enough, but it sucks to be Spiderman most of all. Booster Gold?
|
|
|
Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 24, 2013 18:52:28 GMT -5
True enough, but it sucks to be Spiderman most of all. Booster Gold? I'm honestly not familiar with Booster Gold. Has he ever been essentially killed and replaced by his arch-nemesis? Has he made a deal with the devil for selfish reasons? Has he accidentally killed his first love? Has he been replaced by a clone who was the real him until it was not, in fact, the real him? I wanna hear this Gold kid's sob story.
|
|
Lupin the Third
Patti Mayonnaise
I'm sorry.....I love you. *boot to the head*--3rd most culpable in the jixing of NXT, D'oh!
Join the Dark Order....
Posts: 36,299
|
Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 24, 2013 19:13:42 GMT -5
Yeah, he was handed everything to him.
After his parents were brutally murdered in front of his eight year old eyes.
He may have all the resources in the world, but it won't get his parents back.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 19:31:28 GMT -5
Your friend is right. Wayne's a trust fund hero. If his parents didn't will him all that money and industry he wouldn't have been able to fund his "learn secret ninja shit" world tour. Odds are he'd just end up in therapy and Gotham would ULTIMATELY be much safer.
|
|