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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 27, 2013 14:42:59 GMT -5
Nothing says wrestlemania main event like Husky Harris Lets just hope they don't match him up against The Prototype, zero work rate.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 27, 2013 14:46:04 GMT -5
AJ vs Paige will steal the show anyway.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2013 15:28:17 GMT -5
No, I'm tired of people saying that I and/or other posters just want Daniel Bryan to be Poochie'd or whatever. I don't like older guys hogging the spotlight, and I do want younger stars to be pushed. That said, I just don't like the Wyatt Family being made out to be a "big deal fairly quick". Every new person getting a rocket up the ass push as soon as they hit the main roster is the reason why we have such a top heavy roster and a poor midcard right now. I do think Bray Wyatt has future main event potential, emphasis on future. He shouldn't be thrown at the top guys right now. He should be firmly in he midcard feuding with midcarders (REAL midcarders, not just someone who keeps the directionless top guys busy). Instead of throwing the Wyatts at the top guys and making them an "omg, the entire future of WWE is at stake" group, WWE should have people stepping UP to THEM. What would your wrestlemania card be then? Which younger stars would get big spots this year? Here's a WMXXX card I came up with. WWE World Title MatchRandy Orton vs. Royal Rumble Winner Daniel Bryan Yes, this match has been done, but Orton spends the last two months fighting fresher opponents. Bryan finally gets his moment John Cena & CM Punk vs. Triple H & Kane (w/ Stephanie, Brad Maddox, & Vickie Guerrero) The Super Hero & the Anti-Hero join forces to take down the Authority. Punk gets the pin on HHH. Intercontinental and United States Championship Unification MatchBig E Langston vs. Bray Wyatt (w/ The Wyatt Family) In the weeks leading up to Mania. Wyatt defeats Langston for the Intercontinental Title, but Big E rebounds by beating Ambrose for the U.S. Title. Wyatt starts cutting promos on Big E, saying that Big E is "living a lie" and that "there's no such thing as a good monster". Big E unifies the titles, while the Wyatts rebound and plot their next move Roman Reigns & Batista vs. Dean Ambrose & Seth Rollins The big Reigns megaface push finally happens, while Ambrose and Rollins remain together as a tag team. Batista endorses Roman Reigns and dubs him "The Next Batista". Batista and Reigns both hit stereo spears on Ambrose and Rollins. Batista gives the Batista Bomb to Ambrose (who sells it with his wacky facial expressions), and then lets Reigns get the pin fall. Brock Lesnar (w/ Paul Heyman) vs. The Miz (w/ Alex Riley) Pretty much a 10 minute squash match with Miz getting a few hope spots in. Miz takes the beating of his life. He even gets busted open and bleeds. Brock wins after A-Ry throws in the towel to save his buddy. Miz finally earns the respect of the WWE Universe for his courage and resilience. Undertaker vs. Alberto Del Rio Taker wins Tag Team Turmoil Match Cody Rhodes & Goldust (c) The Usos vs. The Prime Time Players vs. Los Matadores vs. Real Americans vs. Drew McIntyre & Jinder Mahal vs. Luke Harper & Eric Rowan The Usos win the titles. AJ Lee & Tamina vs. The Funkadactyls Either Kane or one of the General Managers rules that AJ's Divas Title would be on the line in this match. AJ retains Pre-Show Battle RoyalAlex Riley vs. Bad News Barrett vs. Big Show vs. Brad Maddox vs. Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins vs. Curtis Axel vs. David Otunga vs. Damien Sandow vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Heath Slater vs R-Truth vs. Xavier Woods vs. Fandango vs. JTG vs. Justin Gabriel vs Kofi Kingston vs. Mark Henry vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Ricardo Rodriguez vs Ryback vs. Sin Cara vs. Tensai vs. Tyson Kidd vs Yoshi Tatsu vs. Zack Ryder Big Spots: - Fandango starts off with a dance routine and then everyone gangs up on him and eliminates him. - Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins actually work together during the match and eliminate a few guys together. - The Super heavyweights pinball Dolph around. Eventually Big Show knocks him out and he rolls out of the ring - Alex Riley gets the "cool elimination spot" of the match after Brodus Clay gives him a headbutt and he flies off the apron and faceplants into the barricade or announce table. - Mark Henry and Big Show have a face off, only for both of them to be double clotheslined out by Ryback - Zack Ryder attempts the Rough Ryder on Brodus Clay, only to be dumped out of the ring - Barrett seemingly wins and he rolls out of the ring, grabs a mic, gets back in the ring delivers the bad news that he's defeated all of our heroes, but that the good news is that we all get to recognize his talents and greatness. Dolph gets back into the ring and tosses him, winning the match
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Dec 27, 2013 15:45:19 GMT -5
AJ vs Paige will steal the show anyway. I'm sure all two minutes of it will be amazing. And the minute that isn't a comedy spot/interference, hoo boy, that'll be a masterpiece!
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Post by Bootista on Dec 27, 2013 15:45:33 GMT -5
Why would you Waste Lesnar with a loser like Miz?
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Post by Been burned too many times on Dec 27, 2013 15:46:29 GMT -5
Orton vs. Batista for the title at Mania just seems like BS, its so friggin' random. Yeah, I know they were both in Evolution together but still. Weren't they planning an Orton vs Batista Mania match years back before injuries got in the way or is it just me? and if they want Hogan on the Mania card do a callback to X7 and do a Legends Over The Top Rope Battle Royal with WM legends/comedy acts as someone suggested in the Royal Rumble thread. It is the 30th eddition after all and have a load of surprise entrants in there to get nostalgia pops and just have good fun for 10 or 15 minutes. (You could make it so people are eliminated via the top or middle rope so you won't need to have Sheiky win again) I don't know it's just...out of nowhere he returns just to face Orton at this Mania? It's just so...out of the blue.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2013 15:51:34 GMT -5
Why would you Waste Lesnar with a loser like Miz? Almost every post I see you're calling someone a "loser", "trash", etc. I have to ask do you like anyone? And yes, I "wasted" Lesnar with Miz because I feel that this would be a best use of someone as polarizing as the Miz. People who hate the Miz will relish watching him get beaten from pillar to post, while those who like him, will rally behind him and enjoy watching him put on a solid match as the scrappy underdog. Plus having Miz get physically destroyed in such fashion will finally allow people to see his toughness and dedication to the business.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 27, 2013 15:57:45 GMT -5
Why would you Waste Lesnar with a loser like Miz? Almost every post I see you're calling someone a "loser", "trash", etc. I have to ask do you like anyone? And yes, I "wasted" Lesnar with Miz because I feel that this would be a best use of someone as polarizing as the Miz. People who hate the Miz will relish watching him get beaten from pillar to post, while those who like him, will rally behind him and enjoy watching him put on a solid match as the scrappy underdog. Plus having Miz get physically destroyed in such fashion will finally allow people to see his toughness and dedication to the business. But it's not the best use of Brock. You only get Brock for 3 matches a year, and you have a ton of great matches/programs you can have with him(Bryan/Sheamus/Orton/Batista/Cesaro not to mention rematches with Taker/Cena/Punk) that it will be very disappointing for PPV buyer to witness what will amount to squash match with a mid-carder on the biggest show in the year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 15:58:38 GMT -5
Three different posters managed to get their gimmicks onto one page. I.R. impressed. Not even hating, just respect at this point for keeping it up.
Honestly the main things I'm hoping for WrestleMania is to get either a match between Brock and Batista, or at least a showdown backstage, and some sort of incredible multi-team tag title match. The tag team division right now is ridiculous, and I want to see them all get a spot on the WrestleMania card.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 27, 2013 16:00:34 GMT -5
What would your wrestlemania card be then? Which younger stars would get big spots this year? Here's a WMXXX card I came up with. WWE World Title MatchRandy Orton vs. Royal Rumble Winner Daniel Bryan Yes, this match has been done, but Orton spends the last two months fighting fresher opponents. Bryan finally gets his moment John Cena & CM Punk vs. Triple H & Kane (w/ Stephanie, Brad Maddox, & Vickie Guerrero) The Super Hero & the Anti-Hero join forces to take down the Authority. Punk gets the pin on HHH. Intercontinental and United States Championship Unification MatchBig E Langston vs. Bray Wyatt (w/ The Wyatt Family) In the weeks leading up to Mania. Wyatt defeats Langston for the Intercontinental Title, but Big E rebounds by beating Ambrose for the U.S. Title. Wyatt starts cutting promos on Big E, saying that Big E is "living a lie" and that "there's no such thing as a good monster". Big E unifies the titles, while the Wyatts rebound and plot their next move Roman Reigns & Batista vs. Dean Ambrose & Seth Rollins The big Reigns megaface push finally happens, while Ambrose and Rollins remain together as a tag team. Batista endorses Roman Reigns and dubs him "The Next Batista". Batista and Reigns both hit stereo spears on Ambrose and Rollins. Batista gives the Batista Bomb to Ambrose (who sells it with his wacky facial expressions), and then lets Reigns get the pin fall. Brock Lesnar (w/ Paul Heyman) vs. The Miz (w/ Alex Riley) Pretty much a 10 minute squash match with Miz getting a few hope spots in. Miz takes the beating of his life. He even gets busted open and bleeds. Brock wins after A-Ry throws in the towel to save his buddy. Miz finally earns the respect of the WWE Universe for his courage and resilience. Undertaker vs. Alberto Del Rio Taker wins Tag Team Turmoil Match Cody Rhodes & Goldust (c) The Usos vs. The Prime Time Players vs. Los Matadores vs. Real Americans vs. Drew McIntyre & Jinder Mahal vs. Luke Harper & Eric Rowan The Usos win the titles. AJ Lee & Tamina vs. The Funkadactyls Either Kane or one of the General Managers rules that AJ's Divas Title would be on the line in this match. AJ retains Pre-Show Battle RoyalAlex Riley vs. Bad News Barrett vs. Big Show vs. Brad Maddox vs. Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins vs. Curtis Axel vs. David Otunga vs. Damien Sandow vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Heath Slater vs R-Truth vs. Xavier Woods vs. Fandango vs. JTG vs. Justin Gabriel vs Kofi Kingston vs. Mark Henry vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Ricardo Rodriguez vs Ryback vs. Sin Cara vs. Tensai vs. Tyson Kidd vs Yoshi Tatsu vs. Zack Ryder Big Spots: - Fandango starts off with a dance routine and then everyone gangs up on him and eliminates him. - Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins actually work together during the match and eliminate a few guys together. - The Super heavyweights pinball Dolph around. Eventually Big Show knocks him out and he rolls out of the ring - Alex Riley gets the "cool elimination spot" of the match after Brodus Clay gives him a headbutt and he flies off the apron and faceplants into the barricade or announce table. - Mark Henry and Big Show have a face off, only for both of them to be double clotheslined out by Ryback - Zack Ryder attempts the Rough Ryder on Brodus Clay, only to be dumped out of the ring - Barrett seemingly wins and he rolls out of the ring, grabs a mic, gets back in the ring delivers the bad news that he's defeated all of our heroes, but that the good news is that we all get to recognize his talents and greatness. Dolph gets back into the ring and tosses him, winning the match So Miz/Lesnar, you're looking for a Sandman/Dreamer moment? I can see the parallels, as much as it may sound like sacrilege. They HATED Dreamer at the time, and nothing they did got him over until he got decimated. What they saw then was a guy who loved being out there so much that he'd endure a ton of punishment. Miz getting mauled could show the same, since every interview with Miz shows him to be a guy who loves being out there. It's no guarantee, and I'm not a huge fan of his, but I can see the connection and it is possible.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 27, 2013 16:02:28 GMT -5
Cena and Hogan vs The Real Americans writes itself. Zeb breaks his arm in the weeks leading up to the match. the match ends when Zeb comes off the top rope with the cast onto Cesaro. Hogan gets the pin. Zeb and Swagger leave Cesaro in the ring. eventual Cesaro face turn.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 27, 2013 16:05:42 GMT -5
What would your wrestlemania card be then? Which younger stars would get big spots this year? Here's a WMXXX card I came up with. WWE World Title MatchRandy Orton vs. Royal Rumble Winner Daniel Bryan Yes, this match has been done, but Orton spends the last two months fighting fresher opponents. Bryan finally gets his moment John Cena & CM Punk vs. Triple H & Kane (w/ Stephanie, Brad Maddox, & Vickie Guerrero) The Super Hero & the Anti-Hero join forces to take down the Authority. Punk gets the pin on HHH. Intercontinental and United States Championship Unification MatchBig E Langston vs. Bray Wyatt (w/ The Wyatt Family) In the weeks leading up to Mania. Wyatt defeats Langston for the Intercontinental Title, but Big E rebounds by beating Ambrose for the U.S. Title. Wyatt starts cutting promos on Big E, saying that Big E is "living a lie" and that "there's no such thing as a good monster". Big E unifies the titles, while the Wyatts rebound and plot their next move Roman Reigns & Batista vs. Dean Ambrose & Seth Rollins The big Reigns megaface push finally happens, while Ambrose and Rollins remain together as a tag team. Batista endorses Roman Reigns and dubs him "The Next Batista". Batista and Reigns both hit stereo spears on Ambrose and Rollins. Batista gives the Batista Bomb to Ambrose (who sells it with his wacky facial expressions), and then lets Reigns get the pin fall. Brock Lesnar (w/ Paul Heyman) vs. The Miz (w/ Alex Riley) Pretty much a 10 minute squash match with Miz getting a few hope spots in. Miz takes the beating of his life. He even gets busted open and bleeds. Brock wins after A-Ry throws in the towel to save his buddy. Miz finally earns the respect of the WWE Universe for his courage and resilience. Undertaker vs. Alberto Del Rio Taker wins Tag Team Turmoil Match Cody Rhodes & Goldust (c) The Usos vs. The Prime Time Players vs. Los Matadores vs. Real Americans vs. Drew McIntyre & Jinder Mahal vs. Luke Harper & Eric Rowan The Usos win the titles. AJ Lee & Tamina vs. The Funkadactyls Either Kane or one of the General Managers rules that AJ's Divas Title would be on the line in this match. AJ retains Pre-Show Battle RoyalAlex Riley vs. Bad News Barrett vs. Big Show vs. Brad Maddox vs. Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins vs. Curtis Axel vs. David Otunga vs. Damien Sandow vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Heath Slater vs R-Truth vs. Xavier Woods vs. Fandango vs. JTG vs. Justin Gabriel vs Kofi Kingston vs. Mark Henry vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Ricardo Rodriguez vs Ryback vs. Sin Cara vs. Tensai vs. Tyson Kidd vs Yoshi Tatsu vs. Zack Ryder Big Spots: - Fandango starts off with a dance routine and then everyone gangs up on him and eliminates him. - Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins actually work together during the match and eliminate a few guys together. - The Super heavyweights pinball Dolph around. Eventually Big Show knocks him out and he rolls out of the ring - Alex Riley gets the "cool elimination spot" of the match after Brodus Clay gives him a headbutt and he flies off the apron and faceplants into the barricade or announce table. - Mark Henry and Big Show have a face off, only for both of them to be double clotheslined out by Ryback - Zack Ryder attempts the Rough Ryder on Brodus Clay, only to be dumped out of the ring - Barrett seemingly wins and he rolls out of the ring, grabs a mic, gets back in the ring delivers the bad news that he's defeated all of our heroes, but that the good news is that we all get to recognize his talents and greatness. Dolph gets back into the ring and tosses him, winning the match No offense but this card seems even more ridiculous and nonsensical than what WWE will probably do
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Post by BRV on Dec 27, 2013 16:08:43 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar (w/ Paul Heyman) vs. The Miz (w/ Alex Riley) Pretty much a 10 minute squash match with Miz getting a few hope spots in. Miz takes the beating of his life. He even gets busted open and bleeds. Brock wins after A-Ry throws in the towel to save his buddy. Miz finally earns the respect of the WWE Universe for his courage and resilience. The WWE as a company has a propensity to take big piles of money and set them on fire for the sake of it, but I'd like to believe that even they aren't foolish enough to waste one of Brock Lesnar's few matches in 2014, a WrestleMania match no less, on a dorky jobber to the stars like The Miz. What would the point of it be? They have the chance to make themselves real money with Lesnar by putting him into the ring against a main eventer or a future superstar at WrestleMania XXX and instead of that, they'd flush it down the toilet with a squash match against a guy who hasn't had relevancy in almost three years? I get the idea of having The Miz be the scrappy underdog to Lesnar's hulking monster, but use it as a brawl on Raw or SmackDown. Don't waste valuable air time at WrestleMania with it.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2013 16:15:22 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar (w/ Paul Heyman) vs. The Miz (w/ Alex Riley) Pretty much a 10 minute squash match with Miz getting a few hope spots in. Miz takes the beating of his life. He even gets busted open and bleeds. Brock wins after A-Ry throws in the towel to save his buddy. Miz finally earns the respect of the WWE Universe for his courage and resilience. The WWE as a company has a propensity to take big piles of money and set them on fire for the sake of it, but I'd like to believe that even they aren't foolish enough to waste one of Brock Lesnar's few matches in 2014, a WrestleMania match no less, on a dorky jobber to the stars like The Miz. What would the point of it be? They have the chance to make themselves real money with Lesnar by putting him into the ring against a main eventer or a future superstar at WrestleMania XXX and instead of that, they'd flush it down the toilet with a squash match against a guy who hasn't had relevancy in almost three years? I get the idea of having The Miz be the scrappy underdog to Lesnar's hulking monster, but use it as a brawl on Raw or SmackDown. Don't waste valuable air time at WrestleMania with it. Miz IS one of those piles of money they set on fire. I'd just rather see the part timers building up the current crop of stars than have dream matches with each other that do nothing for anyone.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2013 17:18:25 GMT -5
and why is that? not shitting on your opinion, but I don't see how its inferior Ok I will. 1) Nobody will pay for Randy Orton v.s. Daniel Bryan. Nobody. Even the hardcores on the board who like Bryan. If they say they'll pay for it, they're lying. This match man... Nobody had to pay for it when it was on RAW multiple weeks during the summer. Nobody paid for it when it was the main event throughout the fall. We can talk for days about booking screwing the pooch, but the point was they presented something that wasn't fresh in the fans eyes and the fans naturally didn't bite. Same went for Big Show v.s. Orton at Survivor Series and everybody said this, I won't let Bryan off the hook because he can work and is a nice guy. So selling this as a featured attraction at WrestleMania when there's plenty of other people who can have the shot, that's dumb. If nobody bought Battleground or Night of Champions, then nobody is going to suddenly get excited about this match for Mania. It'll be the other way around, they'll get excited about Mania happening, in spite of this match again being pushed as a big deal. Which brings me to my next point. WrestleMania isn't where feuds end in this era!!!!!!! It hasn't been in years! The biggest fantasy "I know more than they do" booking flaw is people think of some prestigious pattern of how things should go and start points and end points for their fictional booking are set in stone because they use an era where they grew up or admire as a framework for something in 2013. It's flawed and 100%, every time any day always not going to happen because of it. Fans have gotten Orton/Bryan since last July. Maybe even June, if I recall. They got Orton/Bryan a couple of months on "B" shows. They got Orton v.s. Bryan for free on RAW a couple of weeks back. Why the hell would they want Orton/Bryan at this point? Because some people want Bryan to "get his moment" and him beating Orton in storyline will solidify that for them? So what? Where's their chemistry? Their three PPV main events stunk out the joint, their RAW match last summer left a lot to be desired, and their only "great" performance together was a couple of weeks ago. So one for like eight does not make for entertaining television, let alone worthy of pushing to the now uninterested casual fan's faces as the WrestleMania WWE Championship match. It'll be fourth from the top and everybody will bitch about them burying Bryan, even if he won the match. Punk v.s. Orton would be better, but that'd need a HELL of a set-up. Their WrestleMania XXVII match was not that great and the storyline was just "OK". But it'd be a hell of a lot more fresh than Bryan. 2) HHH. Everybody hates HHH. If he hits an armlock in a match the board will explode with burial claims. Do you think the buildup will make people want to watch that match? Hint: HHH has to look strong going into the match. If he loses, it'll build someone else up as strong. But even if he loses, it won't be enough, people will blame him for other men's shortcomings. HHH could take two GTS's because it's WrestleMania and people will say he killed Punk's finish. He could last 45 seconds in the Yes Lock and people will say he devalued Bryan's submission skillz. He could go out and talk crap on his opponent (standard fare in wrestling build ups) and everybody including those who always leave only to return the next Monday will say he's killing the business and burying talent on the mic. So no. HHH v.s. Bryan or HHH v.s. Punk will be unbearable to sit through simply because people won't enjoy it unless it's weekly HHH bashing on the mic, then a 45 second squash with Hunner being given a Burning Hammer (which is a "special move" to bust out on "special occasions") onto thumbtacks. Even then, people would bitch about him attempting to refuse medical attention or returning within six months after the match, not selling his loss enough. That's my opinion at least and I'm sure I'm nowhere near the only person who sees it this way. 5) Wyatts v.s. Shield, that'd be awesome. An opening or second match on the show where Reigns costs Shield the match, gets beaten down by his partners before snapping and being the next big thing in WWE would be an awesome moment. It's the 30th WrestleMania, what better way to tease a new star than to do it before a paying PPV audience? Tossing in the US and Tag Titles, what for? They aren't prestigious. They won't add allure to it. This is another fantasy booking staple, that titles mean something or will mean something if defended on PPV. Not true. Titles in today's WWE don't mean crap. They're props. They are pieces of tin. They get defended in front of dead crowds in the first hour of RAW with no buildup and poor execution. In 2013 WWE, a tag match is a crutch for writers not having ideas. Sorry to break it to people, but that's what they are. The tag division, while more populated, still isn't a focal point the way we'd like it to be. It's not like 2000, where E&C/Hardyz/Dudleyz were one of the biggest attractions on the card. Cody and Goldust go out there and have entertaining matches with hardly any repercussion afterwards because putting them in a tag program would be too hard. So having them drop the titles to a Wyatt team or the Shield because it'd make a fantasy WrestleMania match "seem" important is just bad booking. Make the titles look good by having the champs you have win over top teams in matches where we care who wins. The US Title has been on Ambrose for how long now? Payback? And nobody seems to remember this because Ambrose doesn't really defend the title in a way where you acknowledge him as a longtime title holder. He hasn't had a three month stint with Kofi or Rhodes or Langston where things escalate each week and month until a blowoff. He goes on television, they flash a graphic that says "US TITLE MATCH - UP NEXT!" and then goes out there and wins by DQ or something. Who the f*** cares? Putting those belts in a match that doesn't need them does nothing for them. WWE needs to focus on putting effort into their belts because throwing them on television with no direction doesn't do anything for them. Fantasy booking the "straps" to be on the line in a match between the two stables of three people ("hey! Let's put them against each other because they're equal!!") is just that, a fantasy. The crowds won't care about the belt portion of the result of this match. Sorry if I seem to single you out, because I'm not. It's a thing going on these boards that just recurs too much to the point where all these people who "know better" don't even seem to understand how WWE works. Which given how "predictable" everything is in the company according to these people, is a bit funny to see them miss the point completely.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2013 17:20:06 GMT -5
I'm a huge Meltzer advocate, but I cannot fathom any of this news. It'd be the biggest financial blunder in years. These last few years, whether anyone's liked the results are not, were fueled by a super successful Rock/Cena interaction that set box office records and made WWE more money collectively than any 3 consecutive WrestleManias ever have. And to follow that up, potentially, with a Cena/Wyatt main event, especially for the 30th WrestleMania, would see numbers not only fall, but possibly plunge epically. There's not one match on this potential card that has any box office appeal whatsoever. And Cena has only drawn huge with novelty acts or part timers. IT WOULD BE A DISASTER ON ALL FRONTS. Ehhh. Taker and Brock could do business if Undertaker breaks his deadman character and they acknowledge Brock's UFC past. It won't happen, but you get my point.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 27, 2013 17:31:12 GMT -5
and why is that? not shitting on your opinion, but I don't see how its inferior Ok I will. 1) Nobody will pay for Randy Orton v.s. Daniel Bryan. Nobody. Even the hardcores on the board who like Bryan. If they say they'll pay for it, they're lying. This match man... Nobody had to pay for it when it was on RAW multiple weeks during the summer. Nobody paid for it when it was the main event throughout the fall. We can talk for days about booking screwing the pooch, but the point was they presented something that wasn't fresh in the fans eyes and the fans naturally didn't bite. Same went for Big Show v.s. Orton at Survivor Series and everybody said this, I won't let Bryan off the hook because he can work and is a nice guy. So selling this as a featured attraction at WrestleMania when there's plenty of other people who can have the shot, that's dumb. If nobody bought Battleground or Night of Champions, then nobody is going to suddenly get excited about this match for Mania. It'll be the other way around, they'll get excited about Mania happening, in spite of this match again being pushed as a big deal. Which brings me to my next point. WrestleMania isn't where feuds end in this era!!!!!!! It hasn't been in years! The biggest fantasy "I know more than they do" booking flaw is people think of some prestigious pattern of how things should go and start points and end points for their fictional booking are set in stone because they use an era where they grew up or admire as a framework for something in 2013. It's flawed and 100%, every time any day always not going to happen because of it. Fans have gotten Orton/Bryan since last July. Maybe even June, if I recall. They got Orton/Bryan a couple of months on "B" shows. They got Orton v.s. Bryan for free on RAW a couple of weeks back. Why the hell would they want Orton/Bryan at this point? Because some people want Bryan to "get his moment" and him beating Orton in storyline will solidify that for them? So what? Where's their chemistry? Their three PPV main events stunk out the joint, their RAW match last summer left a lot to be desired, and their only "great" performance together was a couple of weeks ago. So one for like eight does not make for entertaining television, let alone worthy of pushing to the now uninterested casual fan's faces as the WrestleMania WWE Championship match. It'll be fourth from the top and everybody will bitch about them burying Bryan, even if he won the match. Punk v.s. Orton would be better, but that'd need a HELL of a set-up. Their WrestleMania XXVII match was not that great and the storyline was just "OK". But it'd be a hell of a lot more fresh than Bryan. 2) HHH. Everybody hates HHH. If he hits an armlock in a match the board will explode with burial claims. Do you think the buildup will make people want to watch that match? Hint: HHH has to look strong going into the match. If he loses, it'll build someone else up as strong. But even if he loses, it won't be enough, people will blame him for other men's shortcomings. HHH could take two GTS's because it's WrestleMania and people will say he killed Punk's finish. He could last 45 seconds in the Yes Lock and people will say he devalued Bryan's submission skillz. He could go out and talk crap on his opponent (standard fare in wrestling build ups) and everybody including those who always leave only to return the next Monday will say he's killing the business and burying talent on the mic. So no. HHH v.s. Bryan or HHH v.s. Punk will be unbearable to sit through simply because people won't enjoy it unless it's weekly HHH bashing on the mic, then a 45 second squash with Hunner being given a Burning Hammer (which is a "special move" to bust out on "special occasions") onto thumbtacks. Even then, people would bitch about him attempting to refuse medical attention or returning within six months after the match, not selling his loss enough. That's my opinion at least and I'm sure I'm nowhere near the only person who sees it this way. 5) Wyatts v.s. Shield, that'd be awesome. An opening or second match on the show where Reigns costs Shield the match, gets beaten down by his partners before snapping and being the next big thing in WWE would be an awesome moment. It's the 30th WrestleMania, what better way to tease a new star than to do it before a paying PPV audience? Tossing in the US and Tag Titles, what for? They aren't prestigious. They won't add allure to it. This is another fantasy booking staple, that titles mean something or will mean something if defended on PPV. Not true. Titles in today's WWE don't mean crap. They're props. They are pieces of tin. They get defended in front of dead crowds in the first hour of RAW with no buildup and poor execution. In 2013 WWE, a tag match is a crutch for writers not having ideas. Sorry to break it to people, but that's what they are. The tag division, while more populated, still isn't a focal point the way we'd like it to be. It's not like 2000, where E&C/Hardyz/Dudleyz were one of the biggest attractions on the card. Cody and Goldust go out there and have entertaining matches with hardly any repercussion afterwards because putting them in a tag program would be too hard. So having them drop the titles to a Wyatt team or the Shield because it'd make a fantasy WrestleMania match "seem" important is just bad booking. Make the titles look good by having the champs you have win over top teams in matches where we care who wins. The US Title has been on Ambrose for how long now? Payback? And nobody seems to remember this because Ambrose doesn't really defend the title in a way where you acknowledge him as a longtime title holder. He hasn't had a three month stint with Kofi or Rhodes or Langston where things escalate each week and month until a blowoff. He goes on television, they flash a graphic that says "US TITLE MATCH - UP NEXT!" and then goes out there and wins by DQ or something. Who the f*** cares? Putting those belts in a match that doesn't need them does nothing for them. WWE needs to focus on putting effort into their belts because throwing them on television with no direction doesn't do anything for them. Fantasy booking the "straps" to be on the line in a match between the two stables of three people ("hey! Let's put them against each other because they're equal!!") is just that, a fantasy. The crowds won't care about the belt portion of the result of this match. Sorry if I seem to single you out, because I'm not. It's a thing going on these boards that just recurs too much to the point where all these people who "know better" don't even seem to understand how WWE works. Which given how "predictable" everything is in the company according to these people, is a bit funny to see them miss the point completely. Youd didn't single me out, but I think you are over-reacting a bit on the HHHATE, people want to see The Authority get their due and .d Bryan or Punk going over HHH would be huge. And I still stand by Orton/Batista being a horrible main event. It's not smark hate like you think it is, but to me it just screams anticlimactic. Mania sells itself imo. The crowd will be HOT to see one of their darlings go after the title. Orton/Batista won't do a whole lot better in buy rate.
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metylerca
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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2013 17:45:40 GMT -5
Ok I will. 1) Nobody will pay for Randy Orton v.s. Daniel Bryan. Nobody. Even the hardcores on the board who like Bryan. If they say they'll pay for it, they're lying. This match man... Nobody had to pay for it when it was on RAW multiple weeks during the summer. Nobody paid for it when it was the main event throughout the fall. We can talk for days about booking screwing the pooch, but the point was they presented something that wasn't fresh in the fans eyes and the fans naturally didn't bite. Same went for Big Show v.s. Orton at Survivor Series and everybody said this, I won't let Bryan off the hook because he can work and is a nice guy. So selling this as a featured attraction at WrestleMania when there's plenty of other people who can have the shot, that's dumb. If nobody bought Battleground or Night of Champions, then nobody is going to suddenly get excited about this match for Mania. It'll be the other way around, they'll get excited about Mania happening, in spite of this match again being pushed as a big deal. Which brings me to my next point. WrestleMania isn't where feuds end in this era!!!!!!! It hasn't been in years! The biggest fantasy "I know more than they do" booking flaw is people think of some prestigious pattern of how things should go and start points and end points for their fictional booking are set in stone because they use an era where they grew up or admire as a framework for something in 2013. It's flawed and 100%, every time any day always not going to happen because of it. Fans have gotten Orton/Bryan since last July. Maybe even June, if I recall. They got Orton/Bryan a couple of months on "B" shows. They got Orton v.s. Bryan for free on RAW a couple of weeks back. Why the hell would they want Orton/Bryan at this point? Because some people want Bryan to "get his moment" and him beating Orton in storyline will solidify that for them? So what? Where's their chemistry? Their three PPV main events stunk out the joint, their RAW match last summer left a lot to be desired, and their only "great" performance together was a couple of weeks ago. So one for like eight does not make for entertaining television, let alone worthy of pushing to the now uninterested casual fan's faces as the WrestleMania WWE Championship match. It'll be fourth from the top and everybody will bitch about them burying Bryan, even if he won the match. Punk v.s. Orton would be better, but that'd need a HELL of a set-up. Their WrestleMania XXVII match was not that great and the storyline was just "OK". But it'd be a hell of a lot more fresh than Bryan. 2) HHH. Everybody hates HHH. If he hits an armlock in a match the board will explode with burial claims. Do you think the buildup will make people want to watch that match? Hint: HHH has to look strong going into the match. If he loses, it'll build someone else up as strong. But even if he loses, it won't be enough, people will blame him for other men's shortcomings. HHH could take two GTS's because it's WrestleMania and people will say he killed Punk's finish. He could last 45 seconds in the Yes Lock and people will say he devalued Bryan's submission skillz. He could go out and talk crap on his opponent (standard fare in wrestling build ups) and everybody including those who always leave only to return the next Monday will say he's killing the business and burying talent on the mic. So no. HHH v.s. Bryan or HHH v.s. Punk will be unbearable to sit through simply because people won't enjoy it unless it's weekly HHH bashing on the mic, then a 45 second squash with Hunner being given a Burning Hammer (which is a "special move" to bust out on "special occasions") onto thumbtacks. Even then, people would bitch about him attempting to refuse medical attention or returning within six months after the match, not selling his loss enough. That's my opinion at least and I'm sure I'm nowhere near the only person who sees it this way. 5) Wyatts v.s. Shield, that'd be awesome. An opening or second match on the show where Reigns costs Shield the match, gets beaten down by his partners before snapping and being the next big thing in WWE would be an awesome moment. It's the 30th WrestleMania, what better way to tease a new star than to do it before a paying PPV audience? Tossing in the US and Tag Titles, what for? They aren't prestigious. They won't add allure to it. This is another fantasy booking staple, that titles mean something or will mean something if defended on PPV. Not true. Titles in today's WWE don't mean crap. They're props. They are pieces of tin. They get defended in front of dead crowds in the first hour of RAW with no buildup and poor execution. In 2013 WWE, a tag match is a crutch for writers not having ideas. Sorry to break it to people, but that's what they are. The tag division, while more populated, still isn't a focal point the way we'd like it to be. It's not like 2000, where E&C/Hardyz/Dudleyz were one of the biggest attractions on the card. Cody and Goldust go out there and have entertaining matches with hardly any repercussion afterwards because putting them in a tag program would be too hard. So having them drop the titles to a Wyatt team or the Shield because it'd make a fantasy WrestleMania match "seem" important is just bad booking. Make the titles look good by having the champs you have win over top teams in matches where we care who wins. The US Title has been on Ambrose for how long now? Payback? And nobody seems to remember this because Ambrose doesn't really defend the title in a way where you acknowledge him as a longtime title holder. He hasn't had a three month stint with Kofi or Rhodes or Langston where things escalate each week and month until a blowoff. He goes on television, they flash a graphic that says "US TITLE MATCH - UP NEXT!" and then goes out there and wins by DQ or something. Who the f*** cares? Putting those belts in a match that doesn't need them does nothing for them. WWE needs to focus on putting effort into their belts because throwing them on television with no direction doesn't do anything for them. Fantasy booking the "straps" to be on the line in a match between the two stables of three people ("hey! Let's put them against each other because they're equal!!") is just that, a fantasy. The crowds won't care about the belt portion of the result of this match. Sorry if I seem to single you out, because I'm not. It's a thing going on these boards that just recurs too much to the point where all these people who "know better" don't even seem to understand how WWE works. Which given how "predictable" everything is in the company according to these people, is a bit funny to see them miss the point completely. Youd didn't single me out, but I think you are over-reacting a bit on the HHHATE, people want to see The Authority get their due and .d Bryan or Punk going over HHH would be huge. And I still stand by Orton/Batista being a horrible main event. It's not smark hate like you think it is, but to me it just screams anticlimactic. Mania sells itself imo. The crowd will be HOT to see one of their darlings go after the title. Orton/Batista won't do a whole lot better in buy rate. Then why not Bryan v.s. Batista? Have Batista win the belt somehow before Mania. Maybe Orton loses at the Rumble and the Authority shuns him for a bit before sending the big dog (Batista) to win at Elimination Chamber. Bryan would have to win the Rumble at this point. If you remember their NXT match in 2010, Bryan and Batista was actually a perfect big man/little guy match that had the audience cheering Bryan before Batista laid him out. WrestleMania 30 would be a great time for Bryan to overcome the odds and beat the Authority's beast. He could beat Orton cleanly on television in a match advertised a couple of weeks. He could FINALLY beat Ryback cleanly in the buildup. Then Batista could scoff at his appearance and lay him out at every corner once they are focused on each other. Have them really build up Bryan's lack off odds for Mania, but Batista could do this and not come off as a prick like HHH. Then at the big event, have Bryan barely scrape by with the win and be cemented as a top guy in the fans eyes. Mind you, I'm not one of the people who think Bryan "must" have his moment this year at Mania, but if I wanted to keep things fresh, that'd be a hell of a way to accomplish this. Also, with HHHate. No. I'm not overreacting. There's a thread saying pretty much every HHH victory back to beating Foley to even become a star in the first place was a mistake and he shouldn't have ever won. That's a thread here. I've somehow seen worse.
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fw91
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Post by fw91 on Dec 27, 2013 18:20:01 GMT -5
Youd didn't single me out, but I think you are over-reacting a bit on the HHHATE, people want to see The Authority get their due and .d Bryan or Punk going over HHH would be huge. And I still stand by Orton/Batista being a horrible main event. It's not smark hate like you think it is, but to me it just screams anticlimactic. Mania sells itself imo. The crowd will be HOT to see one of their darlings go after the title. Orton/Batista won't do a whole lot better in buy rate. Then why not Bryan v.s. Batista? Have Batista win the belt somehow before Mania. Maybe Orton loses at the Rumble and the Authority shuns him for a bit before sending the big dog (Batista) to win at Elimination Chamber. Bryan would have to win the Rumble at this point. If you remember their NXT match in 2010, Bryan and Batista was actually a perfect big man/little guy match that had the audience cheering Bryan before Batista laid him out. WrestleMania 30 would be a great time for Bryan to overcome the odds and beat the Authority's beast. He could beat Orton cleanly on television in a match advertised a couple of weeks. He could FINALLY beat Ryback cleanly in the buildup. Then Batista could scoff at his appearance and lay him out at every corner once they are focused on each other. Have them really build up Bryan's lack off odds for Mania, but Batista could do this and not come off as a prick like HHH. Then at the big event, have Bryan barely scrape by with the win and be cemented as a top guy in the fans eyes. Mind you, I'm not one of the people who think Bryan "must" have his moment this year at Mania, but if I wanted to keep things fresh, that'd be a hell of a way to accomplish this. Also, with HHHate. No. I'm not overreacting. There's a thread saying pretty much every HHH victory back to beating Foley to even become a star in the first place was a mistake and he shouldn't have ever won. That's a thread here. I've somehow seen worse. yeah I could get behind batista/bryan
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 27, 2013 18:24:46 GMT -5
I'm a huge Meltzer advocate, but I cannot fathom any of this news. It'd be the biggest financial blunder in years. These last few years, whether anyone's liked the results are not, were fueled by a super successful Rock/Cena interaction that set box office records and made WWE more money collectively than any 3 consecutive WrestleManias ever have. And to follow that up, potentially, with a Cena/Wyatt main event, especially for the 30th WrestleMania, would see numbers not only fall, but possibly plunge epically. There's not one match on this potential card that has any box office appeal whatsoever. And Cena has only drawn huge with novelty acts or part timers. IT WOULD BE A DISASTER ON ALL FRONTS. Ehhh. Taker and Brock could do business if Undertaker breaks his deadman character and they acknowledge Brock's UFC past. It won't happen, but you get my point. Maybe. But it'd have to main event and a scenario would have to be created wherein people actually bought that Brock might win to make the box office difference. But the horrendous HHH rivalry kind of took a bit of edge off of Lesnar as an attraction, imo. That said, the last two Mania's wherein they relied on a combination of most of these guys without a megastar attraction did terrible WrestleMania business. WrestleMania 26, in particular, was far below a million buys worldwide. And after the last few years of having an extra 400,000-500,000 people ordering, I can't imagine WWE thinking that just the 30th anniversary will be enough to draw alone. And as far as Batista goes in the newz, he was a huge star in 2005. But didn't draw in his last few years in the company. So giving him the Mania Title match, and potentially the title, is completely negligible over say a Bryan or Punk or whomever. There is no business incentive to give him that title shot. It makes no sense. I personally choose to believe that Vince has something up his sleeve. This year reminds me of 2011, before The Rock Guest Host announcement. We were left with the prospect of a horribly unappealing and potentially disastrous card, main evented by arguably the least impressive and marketable WWE Title match in event history. But then Vince unveiled Rock as the event hook, ratings rose, and a flat card was resuscitated based on Rock being there alone.
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