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Post by wildojinx on Dec 27, 2013 0:10:06 GMT -5
We had a thread about the good things in 1995 WWF, so lets look at the good things about one of the worst years in WCW's existence: Booker T as world champion Lance Storm Positively Kanyon 3 Count Yung Dragons The attempt to push new young talent like Palumbo, O Haire, Jindrak, Mike Sanders, etc (what they did with them is a different story)
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Post by Bootista on Dec 27, 2013 0:12:14 GMT -5
Booker as Champ
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Dec 27, 2013 2:34:33 GMT -5
I will say after watching Slamboree 2000 on OSW podcast, this was the hottest point for WCW women wise. Stacy/Torrie/Kimberly/Elizabeth/Daffney/random hoochies and Tammy Sytch right before the crash were a great looking bunch.
EVERYTHING else was garbage.
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Post by SOR on Dec 27, 2013 3:04:36 GMT -5
A lot.
1. The fast pace of the shows.
2. The rise of Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Mike Awesome, Lance Storm etc etc
3. Influx of new talent such as Mike Sanders, Kwee-Wee, Mark Jindrak, Sean O'Haire, Elix Skipper etc
4. Entertaining shows week to week would usually occur.
5. nWo 2000.
Lots of good stuff in WCW 2000, a lot of people are just turned off by idiots on the internet who have no clue and listen to randoms who do podcasts.
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Post by Racksman on Dec 27, 2013 3:13:01 GMT -5
Everything from the reboot on April 10th, 2000 - the end of Slamboree when Arquette won the title.
Benoit/Sid
Everything from October 2000 until closing. WCW was in a rebuilding phase and it actually got really good (save for a few snafu's that get singled out because of the time period).
The Jarrett/Booker/Steiner round robin of being World Champion.
Scott Steiner's path of destruction.
Meng Reborn.
BLOOD RUNS COLD...AGAIN.
The rejuvenation of the Cruiserweight division in late 2000.
EVERYTHING LANCE STORM DID.
Mike Awesome until he was ruined, because booking.
Vince Russo as an on-air character (but nothing else, including the world title win, involving him in 2000.)
War Games 2000 not being that convoluted or confusing, just not being a War Games match.
THE POPE MOBILE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 3:16:39 GMT -5
The name "Hugh G. Rection"
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Dec 27, 2013 3:28:34 GMT -5
Fetus AJ Styles
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 27, 2013 5:17:52 GMT -5
Most stuff post New Blood Rising is pretty good.
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Post by auph10imitated on Dec 27, 2013 7:10:14 GMT -5
WCW 2000 was a hideous car crash, but honestly as soon as the Russo-Bisch era took over in April, it was a massive guilty pleasure too me, as bad as it was on logic and the storylines were pretty outlandish, I found it all enjoyable in a car crash way.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 27, 2013 7:11:03 GMT -5
Bash at the Beach 2000 as getting rid of Hogan was something that needed to be done at that point and the only way it was going to happen was if he walked.
They got the glass ceiling out of the way and we saw a whole slew of new guys given a shot, people who had their rise up the card stopped because there was no room like Steiner, Benoit, Jarrett, Booker with the likes of Lance Storm and Kanyon on the rise, with people like Adams and Clarke getting renewed pushes and actually seeming interesting.
Yes the booking was a hot mess, but for a brief period it seemed like there was hope, there were signs every now and again that they were actually capable of turning it around. Even with the David Arquette stuff, I still prefer it to most of 1999.
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 27, 2013 7:26:01 GMT -5
Alex Wright and Disco Inferno.
Psycho Scott Steiner.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 27, 2013 7:26:35 GMT -5
I'd say a good portion of the younger talent was at least attempting to bring something to the table, and while Russo's ideas for them weren't all hits (like GI Bro and That 70's Guy), he was at least giving them television time and WCW's rather lax management at least meant they had some creative freedom to work with. Hell, Chris Kanyon had to feud with a guy who wasn't even there and managed to turn that into a Positive.
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Post by SOR on Dec 27, 2013 7:42:22 GMT -5
Bash at the Beach 2000 as getting rid of Hogan was something that needed to be done at that point and the only way it was going to happen was if he walked. Most over guy in the company at the time. Why did they need to get rid of him?
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 27, 2013 8:35:57 GMT -5
Bash at the Beach 2000 as getting rid of Hogan was something that needed to be done at that point and the only way it was going to happen was if he walked. Most over guy in the company at the time. Why did they need to get rid of him? Ok, let's say Hogan was the most guy over in the company. Being the most guy over in a company that was falling apart and losing as much money as WCW was is the equivalent of being King of the Hobo's. If nobody wanted to be a hobo anymore, then maybe it's time to find somebody new to be the most over guy in the company.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 27, 2013 9:00:51 GMT -5
Bash at the Beach 2000 as getting rid of Hogan was something that needed to be done at that point and the only way it was going to happen was if he walked. Most over guy in the company at the time. Why did they need to get rid of him? It's not hard to be the most over person in a company when you're the one that's been put over for the past few years at everyone else's expense, no matter how much it screws up booking and leaves the audience feeling cheated. Whether Hogan was face or heel, we were treated to the same old ****, screwy finishes, interference, corrupt refs, multiple international objects and so on and so forth and had been since the end of his WWF run and it couldn't go on.
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Post by auph10imitated on Dec 27, 2013 9:07:18 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan then is John Cena now. Same tired booking over and over and over and over and over and over... however Hogan, like Cena was still over and still drawing. Thing is, you gotta draw the line somehwere as you cant reply on the same formula forever.
Cena still has a heel run in him if they ever have the balls to pull the trigger. Hogan had been there done that by 2000.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 27, 2013 9:25:54 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan then is John Cena now. Same tired booking over and over and over and over and over and over... however Hogan, like Cena was still over and still drawing. Thing is, you gotta draw the line somehwere as you cant reply on the same formula forever. Cena still has a heel run in him if they ever have the balls to pull the trigger. Hogan had been there done that by 2000. Was he though? People say 'Oh when WCW's ratings and buyrates crashed, Hogan was injured', but when he returned, there was no bump in ratings, buyrates or attendances to show that he was still a draw. In 1996, the audience had turned on Hulk Hogan as the WCW fans never liked the superhero cartoon made real act so his heel turn worked and people began to pay to see Hulk Hogan get his behind beat cleanly, but that never happened so they lost interest. It should have served as a cautionary tale to wrestling companies that you can't have a heel as the most protected guy on the roster as the audience will eventually give up.
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Post by SOR on Dec 27, 2013 13:59:37 GMT -5
Most over guy in the company at the time. Why did they need to get rid of him? Ok, let's say Hogan was the most guy over in the company. Being the most guy over in a company that was falling apart and losing as much money as WCW was is the equivalent of being King of the Hobo's. If nobody wanted to be a hobo anymore, then maybe it's time to find somebody new to be the most over guy in the company. He was still the most over guy though and was a huge loss for WCW. I think if the original idea Russo had thought up would of came off as planned it'd of been a hot angle that would have made tons of money. Most over guy in the company at the time. Why did they need to get rid of him? It's not hard to be the most over person in a company when you're the one that's been put over for the past few years at everyone else's expense, no matter how much it screws up booking and leaves the audience feeling cheated. Whether Hogan was face or heel, we were treated to the same old ****, screwy finishes, interference, corrupt refs, multiple international objects and so on and so forth and had been since the end of his WWF run and it couldn't go on. Well of course they're going to put him over. He still draws. To this very day he could do that exact same schtick you just mentioned and he'd draw and the audience would love it. In 2000 Hulk was WCW's biggest star by far. Losing him was horrible for them.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Dec 27, 2013 14:05:01 GMT -5
My favourite part of it is how fun a lot of the shows are to watch in retrospect knowing how it ends.
Also Goldberg vs Steiner at Fall Brawl 2000 is an underrated classic. Just one hell of a brawl.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 27, 2013 14:34:33 GMT -5
Well of course they're going to put him over. He still draws. To this very day he could do that exact same schtick you just mentioned and he'd draw and the audience would love it. In 2000 Hulk was WCW's biggest star by far. Losing him was horrible for them. Yeah, that's 100% grade A bullplop, plain and simple. WCW didn't see any big fallout from the loss of Hogan after Bash at the Beach, there was no huge drop in ratings, the army of Hulkamaniacs didn't turn off, and as for Hogan's act still drawing to this day... TNA are at Death's door because hogan brought all of the negative aspects associated with him and none of the upside, none of this magical drawing power he supposedly has.
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