mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Dec 28, 2013 19:25:31 GMT -5
I do think that Ambrose certainly got more hype than he deserved. I just remember any and every little thing he said would get an appreciation thread or people would turn into Pavlov's dog or something. If he were to work at a 7, some people will claim it's a 10. And I'm not one of those hipster people who hate to hate, since I saw greatness in Bryan and Punk without ever questioning their talent.
And I don't hate the guy, I wish him the best, and I do think he's decent, but I have never seen anything out of him that would warrant anything beyond what he is doing right now.
But what gets me more are the people who say that he's better than Reigns or Rollins. In what way? If I were to rate anyone's skills out of the 3, I'd probably put Ambrose last, (again, I'm not saying he's bad, he's just in there with major competition in the other 2 members) simply because I don't think he's got the skill that Rollins does, nor do I think he's got the presence that Reigns does. He definitely brings his own to the table, but if I were to look at the order in which I were to push each guy, he'd still rank last of the 3.
But above all else, the Rollins "hate" gets me the most. "Wah, his voice is annoying". "Wah, he has Kaitlyn hair." "Wah, he oversells to the point he'll injure himself". Give me a break.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 28, 2013 19:28:29 GMT -5
I like Reigns and Rollins but I don't think they're on Deans level. Rollins is a great WRESTLER *omg* but can't cut a promo. Reigns has the look and that awesome Superman punch. That's it. Ambrose is all around, great on the mic and can go in the ring. Once he's out of the Shield is when well see the real greatness come out. Also I didn't see Ambrose before WWE so none of that Indy darling crap, please. Thank you. Reigns has a spear too you know.
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Dec 28, 2013 22:28:18 GMT -5
I like Reigns and Rollins but I don't think they're on Deans level. Rollins is a great WRESTLER *omg* but can't cut a promo. Reigns has the look and that awesome Superman punch. That's it. Ambrose is all around, great on the mic and can go in the ring. Once he's out of the Shield is when well see the real greatness come out. Also I didn't see Ambrose before WWE so none of that Indy darling crap, please. Thank you. Reigns has a spear too you know. Yeah but its nothing special, unlike his Superman punch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 23:30:43 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees that Dean not being used to his full potential? Surely I can't be. Although he's been on the mic a bit, done some things in-ring and worked with his teammates he looks to be "sealed" in a way if that makes any sense. For example, Kane is sealed in his current position. AJ was sealed as Daniel Bryan's girlfriend. Basically, he's not being used at his max and considering he can't go "all out" it looks as if he's not that great to some people. Out of all the members of the Shield he's the #1 that works best if you don't limit him. You can say "Ok Dean, we'll give you a 5 minute intro promo, a 15 minute match and then some end of the match shenanigans, do whatever you want" and he comes out shining. The problem though is that here you can see he can't do that. He's focusing too much on "The Shield" and not on himself as a character. Beyond that his style isn't as flashy as the other two. You can tell a story in the ring but he's trying to tell a story of The Shield and not Dean Ambrose. Now he's taken the roll of Seth in which he's the one getting beaten and looking like crap simply because he's the only one with the belt and he was talking crap a while ago. Had he not done that he wouldn't be in this position. Because Seth doesn't have a belt Dean's taken over his position as the fall guy. Once he breaks out on his own things will change but he was handicapped when he joined the group. it's f***ing weird that guys who hold titles always get treated as the obvious fall-guy these days. It really is, it's sad. Guys with titles need to be built up but no, they lose their regular matches and then somehow win at the PPV.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 14:43:11 GMT -5
Rollins to me is the best but only a few pegs above Ambrose and and Reigns being 3rd best to me and no not because of their indy work i hated Tyler Black in roh and never saw allot of Moxley
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Dec 29, 2013 14:46:18 GMT -5
The whole Joker thing is an appropriate comparison to Jon Moxley, but I don't know that the Ambrose character apes the Joker that much. I find him much more appealing in the WWE than I did in the Indies.
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Post by Idiot on Dec 29, 2013 15:00:45 GMT -5
Because if he wasn't there The Shield would've been ploughing through everyone, I like Ambrose but the only reason The Shield keep him around is because they want to have a little bit of suspense, I don't get why everyone dislikes Ambrose all of a sudden, you guys sang his praises in FCW. The average quality of wrestlers on the main shows is a lot higher than in FCW, for one. He's also lacked the material (for want of a better word) he had in FCW, where his best promos wouldn't fit at all with the Shield gimmick (mostly because they hinged on him being off his rocker). It doesn't help that he's being outshone by Seth Rollins, and Roman Reigns which is making him look decidedly average.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 15:12:52 GMT -5
But what gets me more are the people who say that he's better than Reigns or Rollins. In what way? If I were to rate anyone's skills out of the 3, I'd probably put Ambrose last, (again, I'm not saying he's bad, he's just in there with major competition in the other 2 members) simply because I don't think he's got the skill that Rollins does, nor do I think he's got the presence that Reigns does. He definitely brings his own to the table, but if I were to look at the order in which I were to push each guy, he'd still rank last of the 3. Ambrose is better on the mic than Reigns and better in the ring. Those are the two most important things a wrestler can have. "Presence" can only get you so far.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 29, 2013 15:17:15 GMT -5
But what gets me more are the people who say that he's better than Reigns or Rollins. In what way? If I were to rate anyone's skills out of the 3, I'd probably put Ambrose last, (again, I'm not saying he's bad, he's just in there with major competition in the other 2 members) simply because I don't think he's got the skill that Rollins does, nor do I think he's got the presence that Reigns does. He definitely brings his own to the table, but if I were to look at the order in which I were to push each guy, he'd still rank last of the 3. Ambrose is better on the mic than Reigns and better in the ring. Those are the two most important things a wrestler can have. "Presence" can only get you so far. Goldberg and the Ultimate Warrior would like to have a word with you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 15:19:25 GMT -5
Ambrose is better on the mic than Reigns and better in the ring. Those are the two most important things a wrestler can have. "Presence" can only get you so far. Goldberg and the Ultimate Warrior would like to have a word with you. Completely different era. It's so much harder to get over on an aura these days than ever before.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 29, 2013 16:19:11 GMT -5
it's f***ing weird that guys who hold titles always get treated as the obvious fall-guy these days. It really is, it's sad. Guys with titles need to be built up but no, they lose their regular matches and then somehow win at the PPV. great champions win when the pressure is on. They have nothing to gain, nothing to lose in most non-title matches. But when the pressure is on they find a way to win
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Dec 29, 2013 16:22:06 GMT -5
Ambrose is one of the most overrated guys out there.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2013 16:23:31 GMT -5
So, is your schtick like, hating everything these days? Anyway, they're having him get his arse kicked because he was bragging about being the best member due to still having a belt, so they're making him look like a chump so the other two can dump him with good reason when it finally happens. From an in-ring standpoint, He's not a fancy high flyer like Rollins or a Powerhouse like Reigns, he's just a straight up crazy brawler who doesn't give a f***. I swear to god, it's like folks around here are the worst hipsters ever. "He's the next coming of god, give him all the titles" *debuts* "Ugh, he sucks! Why do they have to stick him with Reigns and Rollins, those guys are the future." No doubt when Reigns gets his inevitable face push, folks will turn against him too. The more well-liked a superstar is, the more vocal the people that don't like him are. Bryan or Ambrose will get threads about them created solely for the purpose of a poster going on about how much they suck, but it's unlikely that you'll see the same thing done for someone like Jinder Mahal. That's because suckas know better than to Hinder Jinder. It's pronounced Ginger
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 29, 2013 16:29:23 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose has become this fascinating symbol for me, based on the way people treated him around here before he debuted. Because it seemed like there were two big groups who ever talked about him: People who'd seen him and were excited, and people who hadn't seen him and had contempt for him.
I get not liking someone. I don't get disliking someone who haven't even seen based mostly on what people are saying about him.
Basing ANY ASPECT of your opinion of someone on people who aren't that person is stupid and not something to be proud of. I believe you can not be into Dean as a wrestler (though personally, I think he's pretty damn good). But, I don't believe that anyone who's actively ANTI-Ambrose isn't influenced by what other people say about him, particularly because this started before a lot of people had ever even seen him wrestle once.
Hating someone because they're hyped is just as stupid as loving someone because they're hyped.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 29, 2013 17:12:42 GMT -5
I don't see all the hoopla about Reigns, personally. Ambrose needs to break free of the Shield in order to shine. But Reigns doesn't have anything going for him other than the fact that he spears people. Edge speared people, Rhino speared people. Big whoop. It's not enough to justify giving him a big push.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 29, 2013 18:38:16 GMT -5
I don't see all the hoopla about Reigns, personally. Ambrose needs to break free of the Shield in order to shine. But Reigns doesn't have anything going for him other than the fact that he spears people. Edge speared people, Rhino speared people. Big whoop. It's not enough to justify giving him a big push. Reigns is gonna have to sleep with someone's girlfriend.
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Post by schma on Dec 29, 2013 19:09:17 GMT -5
it's f***ing weird that guys who hold titles always get treated as the obvious fall-guy these days. It really is, it's sad. Guys with titles need to be built up but no, they lose their regular matches and then somehow win at the PPV. There is little I hate more than any champion losing a non-title match. It cheapens the entire title.
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Post by Cry Baby on Dec 29, 2013 19:23:59 GMT -5
Ambrose is my favourite out of the Shield. It probably goes Ambrose, Rollins and then Reigns for me.
I think Ambrose is great on the mic - even if a lot of their shaky cam promos are now app or youtube only, I look forward to them. Ambrose is always in the middle, doing the majority of the talking and personally, I think it's for the best. Rollins is better in the ring that's for sure, but I watch out for Ambrose, even when he's not in the match, just because I enjoy his reactions and expressions. I think he plays his role really great.
And Reigns? I'll repeat my comments from Survivor Series - there's only so many times I can watch a guy do spear after spear without getting tragically bored. Now he's even got the superman punch, whilst Rollins and Ambrose don't really have identifiable signature moves or finishers. I get the the WWE want to push Reigns because, why not? He's got the look, he's got the heritage and he's improved a crap ton in the past year. But I want Ambrose to be the heel he faces when they break up so they can both do their thing.
Rollins can team with Kofi or something, idk.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Dec 29, 2013 19:28:28 GMT -5
Ambrose is the slimy, unspectacular heel. He's not going to stand out with any flash, but he can work one hell of a match, and make a feud with the mic.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 29, 2013 22:32:51 GMT -5
Ambrose is the slimy, unspectacular heel. He's not going to stand out with any flash, but he can work one hell of a match, and make a feud with the mic. Not to hype him up further but he reminds me an awful lot of Brian Pillman, especially when he's really trying to come across as someone that's slowly coming unhinged. It'll be a while before he gets to the breaking point but a few more Shield losses could do the trick.
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