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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 28, 2013 23:46:10 GMT -5
Yes or no?
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Post by mrjl on Dec 28, 2013 23:47:14 GMT -5
yes
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 23:50:50 GMT -5
On paper? Yes. In practice? No.
There's nothing inherently bad about his ring work but nothing to recommend him to the fans who, for the most part, sit on their hands when he wrestles. He does all of his moves crisply and effectively, but he lacks personality and energy in the ring. Compare him to...Jeff Hardy. Jeff has a smaller repertoire of moves and was known for being a sloppy wrestler. But when he wrestled, it got fans excited--and his style was an integral component of why he got over, and how he stayed over. Ergo, Jeff is better in the ring than Del Rio.
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Post by jagilki on Dec 28, 2013 23:52:38 GMT -5
I'd rather state is as he could be interesting in the ring, but right now he's just treading water doing nothing much exciting ring work wise.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 28, 2013 23:56:55 GMT -5
I think Del Rio is underrated in the sense that he actually does have charisma, both in the ring and as a personality. The problem is that he's just been so repetitive from a story arc perspective. It's like WWE wants the fans to think he's a "star", but don't want to give him "too much, too soon" (even though they've already given him so many accolades) or compromise their plans for someone like Cena, Orton, Punk, etc. so we're just stuck with a guy who beats everyone on TV, but can't get the job done on PPV.
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 29, 2013 0:00:53 GMT -5
Del Rio has had some great matches but when it only happens once a month, it's kinda hard to recommend the guy. I think it's the AGGRESSIVE booking that keeps him from having more good matches.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 29, 2013 0:04:24 GMT -5
Of course he's good. No one who is terrible in the ring can produce some of the very good matches he has produce in the WWE. He's just not engaging enough to recommend him to people who are new to wrestling.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 29, 2013 0:07:44 GMT -5
Del Rio's great. He just needs a better gimmick/character. He has the skills, but it's all lost in the wrong package, it seems.
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Post by RIHT on Dec 29, 2013 0:07:54 GMT -5
Del Rio is good in the ring, but not good enough to tell a story, like Daniel Bryan for example. WWE thinks they can just rely on Del Rio's in-ring talent to make him a star, when they really can't. They pretty much half-ass all of his storylines, expecting Del Rio to win the fans over based on him solely.
For example, his feud with Sheamus had pretty good matches, but was God awful. The story of a face that cheated to win, stole a car, had his finisher banned only to get it back FOR THE PPV IT WAS BANNED FOR, and was the good guy because of it is not a good story. Or how about Del Rio's feud with RVD? If they didn't want to give RVD the title, then they should have at least made the story better, as the only really good one there could've been was RVD winning the title. They should've had Ricardo turn on RVD and side with Alberto at a PPV or something.
Even so, WWE isn't very consistent with him either. They had him cash in on the hottest guy in the WWE, CM Punk, in 2011 at Summerslam... then lost the title a month later to Cena... then won it again... then lost it.
Point is, WWE handles ADR terribly, from mega pushes to terrible storytelling, and I feel that is why fans dislike him and think he is boring.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 0:09:00 GMT -5
Very good. Having said that, he doesn't get me to want to watch his matches.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 29, 2013 0:58:15 GMT -5
He's probably one of the best in the company. Only people I'd rate above him from an in-ring standpoint are Bryan, Cesaro, Rollins and possibly Orton.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 29, 2013 1:02:15 GMT -5
He's definitely good at what he does in the ring, it's just he's usually lacking that something that makes you want to watch him. It's almost as if his good matches occur in a vacuum.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 1:03:24 GMT -5
If you thought that he was good before, just wait until Hunico starts playing him.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 29, 2013 1:05:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't know. Whenever Del Rio's music hits, I tend to black out and wake up several hours later, dried blood around my eyes and the taste of bile in the back of my throat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 2:27:22 GMT -5
In ring Del Rio's been consistently brilliant from FCW to WWE, and prior to that too as Dos Caras Jnr.
His run with the world title where he had no stories to work with made him an RVD like TV champion and week after week he had class matches.
It's not his fault that the company lacks the ability to have a character with depth, as a wrestler he knows what to do, does it well, and unfortunately doesn't have the ability to make dull underwritten storylines matter because...halfbaked things tend to suck.
Fortunately his matches more than make up for it, solid all the time, sells for everyone, works the arm for his finishing move continually, comes up with reversals and odd little things to surprise everyone.
He's a fine wrestler, a damned fine one, but just like with Rey, just like with Eddie post-Kurt Angle, if they don't write stories for the guys that matter then...well, people get riled up. Wrestling's about the drama, but in a company so focused on control and writing and hoping the fans react as they imagine that's pretty much impossible for the majority of the roster. From Kofi Kingston, to Christian, to Del Rio, to Edge in his later year face run (which stopped ADR's big heel reactions in a baffling choice at his last Wrestlemania), to Wade "Blew My Talent" Barret, to Zack "I may not be great but I'm getting fans to respond" Ryder, to John "Franchise" Cena, to Brock "they blew my aura" Lesnar.
They play the role that's written for them and the company doesn't really care to change.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 29, 2013 2:45:15 GMT -5
Much like Randy Orton, he's perfectly adequate in the ring. But he's very boring.
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Post by Manute Bol on Dec 29, 2013 3:01:11 GMT -5
If you could pick one match to convert a Del Rio skeptic, what would it be?
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Post by JCBaggee on Dec 29, 2013 3:08:05 GMT -5
Del Rio's a decent enough hand in the ring, and his Enziguri is just effin' BEAUTIFUL, but his ringwork has the same problem his mic work does: no memorable personality. He's not built to be a credible threat anymore, so he's not supposed to just be a badass, Del Rio simply is.
It's a shame. I don't want to hate the guy; there are moments when I'm a fan, but they're so far and fleeting that they shouldn't even matter.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 29, 2013 3:24:08 GMT -5
You can't be good and consistently have matches nobody cares about. It's like claiming to be the world's best promoter who can't draw his own mother to a flea market. It's just an insurmountable contradiction between the claim and reality.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 29, 2013 3:53:50 GMT -5
He fits all the objective, measurable criteria that smarks use to rate a guy as "good" at putting on a pro wrestling match. And yet, after three and a half years of being treated like a big deal and getting extended feuds against the other top names in the company, how many really exemplary, standout matches does Del Rio have to his name? The closest I can think of to one is the Last Man Standing against Cena at Vengeance 2011, and Cena's had matches just as good against guys who aren't considered particularly capable in-ring performers.
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