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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 29, 2013 0:17:42 GMT -5
I'll say it now, I think Hassan was a far better heel than CM Punk, so could you imagine the heat if Hassan came back and interrupted someone like Jerry Lawler or Jim Ross on an important night, the heat would have been nuclear, Hassan for my money is one of the best mic workers in recent years in the WWE.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 29, 2013 0:19:43 GMT -5
I don't think he was a top mic worker, I think the gimmick did most of the heat getting. Not saying Hassan was crappy or anything, it's just being average on the mic with that gimmick would have gotten him great heat.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 29, 2013 0:28:17 GMT -5
Muhammad Hassan was f***ing awesome.
I miss him.
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 29, 2013 0:29:03 GMT -5
Muhammad Hassan was f***ing awesome. I miss him. Same, imagine how a confrontation with Hassan and The Rock would go if booked right, not just Hassan goes to speak and gets Rock Bottomed.
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 29, 2013 0:31:31 GMT -5
The Hassan gimmick was great when it was nuanced. It started to suck when it was the "boo the foreigner (even though he was from the US)" gimmick.
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 29, 2013 0:33:39 GMT -5
The Hassan gimmick was great when it was nuanced. It started to suck when it was the "boo the foreigner (even though he was from the US)" gimmick. I know, I saw the guy as someone who wanted Arab-Americans to be portrayed in a positive light, he even mentioned it in his first vignette that all he wanted was a chance, so how does that warrant him getting booed?
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Post by Boo! on Dec 29, 2013 3:09:38 GMT -5
He wasn't really a great heel he just heat because of the gimmick - there I said it. His promos were very shouty and formulaic.
"I. AM. AN. AMERICAN. LIKE YOU. BUT. I. AM. AN ARAB. AMERICAN"
To be honest you don't need much knowledge of wrestling history to know that getting heat with that sort of a gimmick is as difficult as getting wet jumping in a pool. I never got why people are so up on him. Sure he got heat but Christ with that gimmick - who couldn't? It was one of the most easiest heel gimmicks of the age to get over. Look at Volkoff and the Iron Sheik - neither of whom could cut a promo nor really wrestle that well but both got over like giddy for essentially the same anti-American gimmick. Even Ludvig Borga got over for crying out loud.
Getting over with that gimmick really isn't anything of note. There's a vast difference getting heat he CM Punk way and getting heat the "America sucks" way. The latter is the cheapest of cheap heats and to be honest that's all Hassan got so I dunno how people judge him so favorably.
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Post by BV on Dec 29, 2013 3:10:34 GMT -5
Hassan was awesome, but in no way was he a better heel than Punk is. That's crazy.
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 29, 2013 3:11:13 GMT -5
He wasn't really a great heel he just heat because of the gimmick - there I said it. His promos were very shouty and formulaic. "I. AM. AN. AMERICAN. LIKE YOU. BUT. I. AM. AN ARAB. AMERICAN" To be honest you don't need much knowledge of wrestling history to know that getting heat with that sort of a gimmick is as difficult as getting wet jumping in a pool. The same could be said about Punk. "Wah Wah Wah Best In The World, Wah Wah Wah" rinse and repeat.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 29, 2013 3:29:30 GMT -5
He wasn't really a great heel he just heat because of the gimmick - there I said it. His promos were very shouty and formulaic. "I. AM. AN. AMERICAN. LIKE YOU. BUT. I. AM. AN ARAB. AMERICAN" To be honest you don't need much knowledge of wrestling history to know that getting heat with that sort of a gimmick is as difficult as getting wet jumping in a pool. The same could be said about Punk. "Wah Wah Wah Best In The World, Wah Wah Wah" rinse and repeat. How is that in any way the same other than the fact both used words in their promos? The anti-American gimmick is something even some of the worst wrestlers/talkers in history have gotten over like crazy with. There's a vast, vast, vast difference between getting over with a typically arrogant heel promo and "boo America".
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 29, 2013 10:33:39 GMT -5
should have been Ahab the Arab
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 29, 2013 10:36:11 GMT -5
I hated the gimmick. the original idea was interesting but it jumped off the "placate the xenophobic nimrods in the crowd" bridge a bit too quickly (and it never should have). that said, his music was the perfect "interrupt people" theme.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Dec 29, 2013 10:49:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 10:52:47 GMT -5
I still think they're missing the boat by not having any wrestlers from Muslim countries on the roster. At worst, they make things seem a little more exotic and international than "Here's a bunch of white guys, and black guys, all from America, blah." WWE would get a huge PR boost for taking someone from an "outside" ethnicity and religion and let them be a face without shoehorning them into typical heel booking. It'd be especially useful to find someone from around the UAE since that's a major focus of the international tours, but a Saudi, Turkish or Azeri wrestler probably wouldn't be a bad choice, either.
Obviously it's too highbrow for WWE, but since they're trying to expand into the Middle East a little bit, it'd give them a marketable hero in the same way that Khali earns money for them from the Indian audience.
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 29, 2013 11:11:54 GMT -5
I still think they're missing the boat by not having any wrestlers from Muslim countries on the roster. At worst, they make things seem a little more exotic and international than "Here's a bunch of white guys, and black guys, all from America, blah." WWE would get a huge PR boost for taking someone from an "outside" ethnicity and religion and let them be a face without shoehorning them into typical heel booking. It'd be especially useful to find someone from around the UAE since that's a major focus of the international tours, but a Saudi, Turkish or Azeri wrestler probably wouldn't be a bad choice, either. Obviously it's too highbrow for WWE, but since they're trying to expand into the Middle East a little bit, it'd give them a marketable hero in the same way that Khali earns money for them from the Indian audience. Even though he wasn't a legitimate native of the Middle East, that's what I thought they should've done with Hassan and Davari, because in the first vignette the seemed very calm and polite about themselves, they were normal men who happened to be Arab-Americans and even the most heartless xenophobe shouldn't have a problem with the two guys wanting to make a living in 'The land of the free' www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAspqnWmh44
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 29, 2013 12:12:28 GMT -5
Hassan: I AM AN AMERICAN. JUST LIKE YOU. I WANT. TO JOIN. THE REAL-AMERICANS!
Money. Bad-promos and all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 13:41:13 GMT -5
I still think they're missing the boat by not having any wrestlers from Muslim countries on the roster. At worst, they make things seem a little more exotic and international than "Here's a bunch of white guys, and black guys, all from America, blah." WWE would get a huge PR boost for taking someone from an "outside" ethnicity and religion and let them be a face without shoehorning them into typical heel booking. It'd be especially useful to find someone from around the UAE since that's a major focus of the international tours, but a Saudi, Turkish or Azeri wrestler probably wouldn't be a bad choice, either. Obviously it's too highbrow for WWE, but since they're trying to expand into the Middle East a little bit, it'd give them a marketable hero in the same way that Khali earns money for them from the Indian audience. Even though he wasn't a legitimate native of the Middle East, that's what I thought they should've done with Hassan and Davari, because in the first vignette the seemed very calm and polite about themselves, they were normal men who happened to be Arab-Americans and even the most heartless xenophobe shouldn't have a problem with the two guys wanting to make a living in 'The land of the free' www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAspqnWmh44Only problem with Daivari is that he's Iranian-American. There's a little too much PERSIA = BAD stuff in TV/cinema/etc. in this country. That's why I think a Turkish wrestler would be a good pick, because Americans really don't know much of anything about Turkey so it'd be much harder for people to judge.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 29, 2013 13:43:39 GMT -5
Hassan: "I'm afraid of Americans! I'm afraid of the world!"
~gets shot by Trent Reznor~
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 29, 2013 13:47:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought he did this quite a bit when he was around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 14:40:05 GMT -5
Muhammad Hash Brown: Middle Eastern waffle house breakfast enthusiast, managed by Philly Cheese Shiek Davari.
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