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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 30, 2013 22:33:34 GMT -5
I agree. Absolutely hate these part timers that show up for a Mania payday and take top-of-the-card spots from the guys that are working year-round. And they wonder why those other guys never fully get over when they treat them like afterthoughts during the most important time of the year. I understand the reasoning but Wrestlemania is the one event casuals will be watching. It's catered to them and they need names they've heard of. If Bryan or Punk got the pushes they deserved then maybe they'd be big enough names by now. It's not how they treat them at Mania, it's how they treat them year round. Besides, Brock > Cena, Orton, Punk, Bryan. Who else can take seven or eight years off, come back and every match be a MOTY candidate?
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Dec 30, 2013 22:37:48 GMT -5
Forget this guy, the last thing I want to see is this guy in the WWE Title picture. He's not a draw, he's old news. We know he has no passion for the business, get him out of here. Anything you're paying him is too much Vince. Give us Batista! So you'd want to see Hornswoggle. Vince Russo and the Great Khali in the title picture before Brock Lesnar
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 30, 2013 22:40:23 GMT -5
BROCK LESNAR NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE A f***ING MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 30, 2013 22:40:54 GMT -5
See, calling a guy with that level of talent a hoss who stinks up the joint is just, well silly frankly. It's perfectly cool not to like a guy, but at least make that point--no one can argue preference, but arguing that he's an untalented hoss is just demonstrably wrong. Talent? Guy couldn't make it in the NFL or UFC. So he's back in the WWE to make a quick buck. I'm not emotionally invested with this guy and now he just dumped a multi-year veteran Mark Henry on the floor. He can't talk on the mic and he screams like a little girl. Boring, boring, boring. I'm telling you, that crowd could CARE LESS about Brock Lesnar. I hope this backfires on WWE and we don't have to see much of this guy in the future. I don't get why Vince would even want to have this guy near the belt. I really, really, really hope he doesn't win the strap. He was UFC champion. The NFL was never gonna work sure, as he hadn't played since high school, but there for awhile he was the heavyweight champion of the world. If he hadn't had dual bouts of diverticulitis, hell, he might still be champ, or at least competing. You're not helping your argument by just being outright wrong with that sorta thing. Again, if you don't like the dude fine, but making points that are blatantly incorrect to try and support an opinion is weird. You don't have to justify not liking someone, that's ok, but making statements that are factually incorrect ain't helping you. And the crowd could definitely care less, I agree. They care quite a bit.
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Post by avalanchi on Dec 30, 2013 22:43:44 GMT -5
Talent? Guy couldn't make it in the NFL or UFC. Yeah, what did he ever do in the UFC? Had a cup of coffee and left because the other fighters figured him out.
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Post by BK From WV on Dec 30, 2013 22:44:14 GMT -5
I have never cared for Lesnar and would be perfectly happy if he never showed up again. That being said, the guy is a draw. I can't deny that.
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Post by avalanchi on Dec 30, 2013 22:47:22 GMT -5
Talent? Guy couldn't make it in the NFL or UFC. So he's back in the WWE to make a quick buck. I'm not emotionally invested with this guy and now he just dumped a multi-year veteran Mark Henry on the floor. He can't talk on the mic and he screams like a little girl. Boring, boring, boring. I'm telling you, that crowd could CARE LESS about Brock Lesnar. I hope this backfires on WWE and we don't have to see much of this guy in the future. I don't get why Vince would even want to have this guy near the belt. I really, really, really hope he doesn't win the strap. He was UFC champion. The NFL was never gonna work sure, as he hadn't played since high school, but there for awhile he was the heavyweight champion of the world. If he hadn't had dual bouts of diverticulitis, hell, he might still be champ, or at least competing. You're not helping your argument by just being outright wrong with that sorta thing. Again, if you don't like the dude fine, but making points that are blatantly incorrect to try and support an opinion is weird. You don't have to justify not liking someone, that's ok, but making statements that are factually incorrect ain't helping you. And the crowd could definitely care less, I agree. They care quite a bit. Are you kidding me? Lesnar lost his last two UFC fights then retired. The competition figured him out and now he's back to fake wrestling.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 30, 2013 22:49:45 GMT -5
See, calling a guy with that level of talent a hoss who stinks up the joint is just, well silly frankly. It's perfectly cool not to like a guy, but at least make that point--no one can argue preference, but arguing that he's an untalented hoss is just demonstrably wrong. Talent? Guy couldn't make it in the NFL or UFC. So he's back in the WWE to make a quick buck. I'm not emotionally invested with this guy and now he just dumped a multi-year veteran Mark Henry on the floor. He can't talk on the mic and he screams like a little girl. Boring, boring, boring. I'm telling you, that crowd could CARE LESS about Brock Lesnar. I hope this backfires on WWE and we don't have to see much of this guy in the future. I don't get why Vince would even want to have this guy near the belt. I really, really, really hope he doesn't win the strap. Are you in a contest to see how many stupid, ignorant, factually incorrect statements you can make in one thread? NFL: Lesnar tried out for the team, after having never played organized football in his life, and technically made the team on sheer freaky athleticism. Him being cut is not a slight on him. It was impressive that he technically bypassed HUNDREDS of dudes who played college ball at a high level to almost make it. UFC: He won the Heavyweight title on his 3rd career fight, after having only made his debut less than two years before. He then successfully defended said title twice, while amidst the onset of diverticulitis, before getting schooled by a guy, Cain Velasquez, who has destroyed EVERYONE since, and with no effort. And on top of all of that, Brock was the number one non-boxing PPV draw in the entire history of the medium. Two of his fights, had more buyrates than every PPV from WWE in one year combined. That's why WWE wanted him back. They wanted to make a buck off of him as much as the other way around. And they have. Extreme Rules 2012 did the biggest B-show buyrate of any PPV in post-brand extension history. And Summer Slam 2012 did big business as well. Extreme Rules 2013 was also a success. So your "he's not a draw" opinion is flat-out embarrassingly wrong. As for a "Multi-year veteran like Mark Henry". The name of the game is making money. And Brock vs. Orton or Cena at Chamber will draw big, as will Undertaker vs Lesnar on top at WrestleMania XXX (which won't be for the belt). I love Henry, but a protected and built Lesnar is worth more financially. Lesnar is an investment. You can not like him and find him boring. But all your explanations for it being wrong is, well, wrong.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 30, 2013 22:51:15 GMT -5
I never understand the "he doesn't care" complaint. Does he do his job well? Yes. So what if he doesn't LIKE doing his job? I don't need Lesnar to enjoy being in the wrestling business to enjoy his matches. It's such a weird complaint, especially when the wrestling business historically chews wrestlers' bodies up and spits them out, and Brock Lesnar is a guy who made a lot of money wrestling in a short amount of time, got out when he was healthy, made more money doing UFC, and is making more money again in wrestling by utilizing his UFC cred.
Does he have bad matches? Not really. Seriously, who cares if he hates wrestling?
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Post by Chip on Dec 30, 2013 22:54:26 GMT -5
OK, joke thread, got it.
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Post by avalanchi on Dec 30, 2013 22:57:21 GMT -5
Talent? Guy couldn't make it in the NFL or UFC. So he's back in the WWE to make a quick buck. I'm not emotionally invested with this guy and now he just dumped a multi-year veteran Mark Henry on the floor. He can't talk on the mic and he screams like a little girl. Boring, boring, boring. I'm telling you, that crowd could CARE LESS about Brock Lesnar. I hope this backfires on WWE and we don't have to see much of this guy in the future. I don't get why Vince would even want to have this guy near the belt. I really, really, really hope he doesn't win the strap. Are you in a contest to see how many stupid, ignorant, factually incorrect statements you can make in one thread? NFL: Lesnar tried out for the team, after having never played organized football in his life, and technically made the team on sheer freaky athleticism. Him being cut is not a slight on him. It was impressive that he technically bypassed HUNDREDS of dudes who played college ball at a high level to almost make it. UFC: He won the Heavyweight title on his 3rd career fight, after having only made his debut less than two years before. He then successfully defended said title twice, while amidst the onset of diverticulitis, before getting schooled by a guy, Cain Velasquez, who has destroyed EVERYONE since, and with no effort. And on top of all of that, Brock was the number one non-boxing PPV draw in the entire history of the medium. Two of his fights, had more buyrates than every PPV from WWE in one year combined. That's why WWE wanted him back. They wanted to make a buck off of him as much as the other way around. And they have. Extreme Rules 2012 did the biggest B-show buyrate of any PPV in post-brand extension history. And Summer Slam 2012 did big business as well. Extreme Rules 2013 was also a success. So your "he's not a draw" opinion is flat-out embarrassingly wrong. As for a "Multi-year veteran like Mark Henry". The name of the game is making money. And Brock vs. Orton or Cena at Chamber will draw big, as will Undertaker vs Lesnar on top at WrestleMania XXX (which won't be for the belt). I love Henry, but a protected and built Lesnar is worth more financially. Lesnar is an investment. You can not like him and find him boring. But all your explanations for it being wrong is, well, wrong. Are you kidding me? Way to have rose tinted glasses, Lesnar was a failure in the NFL and he passed up millions of dollars from WWE to go play football. The only reason Lesnar got a title opportunity in UFC was because he was Brock Lesnar. You fail to mention that after losing to Velasquez Lesnar then lost to Overeem. After losing two-straight matches Lesnar realized he couldn't compete in the UFC and took his ball and went home. Let's see the numbers for the PPV after Royal Rumble, I guarantee they're piss poor. Nobody wants to see alleged tough guy Brock Lesnar. Thought he could play in the NFL, thought he could fight in UFC. Turns out he can't do either (can't talk on the mic, either). Believe me, if Lesnar was HALF AS GOOD as he thought he was. He wouldn't be in the WWE right now, this was his backup plan and I personally don't care about him. "Oh look! He's screaming! Oh look an F5. What a monster!" Too bad he got his ass whooped on his way out of UFC and was a complete failure playing Football.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 30, 2013 22:57:55 GMT -5
I'd respond again, but Sean pretty well covered what I woulda said anyway.
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Post by avalanchi on Dec 30, 2013 22:58:39 GMT -5
I never understand the "he doesn't care" complaint. Does he do his job well? Yes. So what if he doesn't LIKE doing his job? I don't need Lesnar to enjoy being in the wrestling business to enjoy his matches. It's such a weird complaint, especially when the wrestling business historically chews wrestlers' bodies up and spits them out, and Brock Lesnar is a guy who made a lot of money wrestling in a short amount of time, got out when he was healthy, made more money doing UFC, and is making more money again in wrestling by utilizing his UFC cred. Does he have bad matches? Not really. Seriously, who cares if he hates wrestling? I've seen all he has to offer already. It's not like he's memorable or anything, he doesn't sell his character. He can't even get himself over on the microphone. All he does is yell like a pussy and do some power moves. COOL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 22:59:10 GMT -5
Brock has an aura about him that no one else on the roster has. Just hanging with him in the ring makes guys look better just because of how much of a monster he is portrayed as. Plus I doubt they would pay him to show up a few times a year and go over their guys if he didn't make them money in some way. He can stick around as long as he likes as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by avalanchi on Dec 30, 2013 22:59:52 GMT -5
I'd respond again, but Sean pretty well covered what I woulda said anyway. Your reputation with me became invalid seeing as you think Lesnar has had a successful UFC career. He got his ass handed to him his last two-matches before retiring. He couldn't hang with the big boys and took his ball and went home; funny how jaded you are about that.
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Post by . on Dec 30, 2013 23:18:46 GMT -5
I'd respond again, but Sean pretty well covered what I woulda said anyway. Your reputation with me became invalid seeing as you think Lesnar has had a successful UFC career. He got his ass handed to him his last two-matches before retiring. He couldn't hang with the big boys and took his ball and went funny how jaded you are about that. So where just gonna ignore his legitimate diverticulitis and subsequent surgery in which 12 inches of his colon was removed?, yeah what a big baby Brock is.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 30, 2013 23:20:00 GMT -5
Are you in a contest to see how many stupid, ignorant, factually incorrect statements you can make in one thread? NFL: Lesnar tried out for the team, after having never played organized football in his life, and technically made the team on sheer freaky athleticism. Him being cut is not a slight on him. It was impressive that he technically bypassed HUNDREDS of dudes who played college ball at a high level to almost make it. UFC: He won the Heavyweight title on his 3rd career fight, after having only made his debut less than two years before. He then successfully defended said title twice, while amidst the onset of diverticulitis, before getting schooled by a guy, Cain Velasquez, who has destroyed EVERYONE since, and with no effort. And on top of all of that, Brock was the number one non-boxing PPV draw in the entire history of the medium. Two of his fights, had more buyrates than every PPV from WWE in one year combined. That's why WWE wanted him back. They wanted to make a buck off of him as much as the other way around. And they have. Extreme Rules 2012 did the biggest B-show buyrate of any PPV in post-brand extension history. And Summer Slam 2012 did big business as well. Extreme Rules 2013 was also a success. So your "he's not a draw" opinion is flat-out embarrassingly wrong. As for a "Multi-year veteran like Mark Henry". The name of the game is making money. And Brock vs. Orton or Cena at Chamber will draw big, as will Undertaker vs Lesnar on top at WrestleMania XXX (which won't be for the belt). I love Henry, but a protected and built Lesnar is worth more financially. Lesnar is an investment. You can not like him and find him boring. But all your explanations for it being wrong is, well, wrong. Are you kidding me? Way to have rose tinted glasses, Lesnar was a failure in the NFL and he passed up millions of dollars from WWE to go play football. The only reason Lesnar got a title opportunity in UFC was because he was Brock Lesnar. You fail to mention that after losing to Velasquez Lesnar then lost to Overeem. After losing two-straight matches Lesnar realized he couldn't compete in the UFC and took his ball and went home. Let's see the numbers for the PPV after Royal Rumble, I guarantee they're piss poor. Nobody wants to see alleged tough guy Brock Lesnar. Thought he could play in the NFL, thought he could fight in UFC. Turns out he can't do either (can't talk on the mic, either). Believe me, if Lesnar was HALF AS GOOD as he thought he was. He wouldn't be in the WWE right now, this was his backup plan and I personally don't care about him. "Oh look! He's screaming! Oh look an F5. What a monster!" Too bad he got his ass whooped on his way out of UFC and was a complete failure playing Football. Diverticulitis certainly didn't play a part in his UFC retirement. No sir. Dude only had like 18 inches of colon cut out of his body like 5 months before a gassed out cheater Overeem, exposed post fight as having like 16 times the normal testosterone of a regular human being, kicked him in the liver. He was done no matter what, no matter who he was. And him losing to Cain is not a slight. EVERYONE has. Dude's the best on earth and has obliterated everyone. Lesnar didn't "take his ball and go home". He took his health and went home. As for your prediction, if the Chamber buyrate comes in high, I of course expect you come back here and rightly and humble yourself with an apology and admission of your ultimate ignorance. And if he bombs, you can feel good about yourself that you managed to be right about at least one thing. I wouldn't hold my breath though. Unless you already have been. Might explain some of your replies in this thread. The brain does need you to exhale every so often to function properly, after all.
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Post by khali on Dec 30, 2013 23:20:58 GMT -5
There's a monumental discrepancy between the facts here (the diverticlutis) and the delusion being expelled (that they "figured him out" so he went home).
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Post by BigWill on Dec 30, 2013 23:23:50 GMT -5
Yes, we need that young up-and-comer Batista! Get that old and washed up Brock Lesnar out of the WWE!
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Post by Lila on Dec 30, 2013 23:24:17 GMT -5
Wow, you guys are clueless. Have fun watching your hoss stink up the joint.
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