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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 23:54:48 GMT -5
This is basically why I'm defending it. Not because "LOL WAIT AND SEE", but because they took what was looking like a forgettable midcard feud and turned it into something interesting where no one knows exactly what's coming up. Honestly the bitching is really because of distrust over all the "wait and see" angles the past five years. Unfortunately, any interesting angle must be "wait and see". There has to be a point where something happens and you don't know what's coming up If not, it's barely even an angle.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 30, 2013 23:55:32 GMT -5
Remember when they did this? Yes, and Austin has gone on record to say that was 100% HIS idea. So I guess we have to shit on Austin for taking a risk like that. What a moron he was. Why didn't he just ask the Internet?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 23:55:33 GMT -5
Any images to prove your point? And don't say The Shield. Nobody bitched about them outside a small minority wanting Ohno instead of Reigns Sure. I'm talking about big angles or big moments that everyone bitched about at the beginning and turned out great. We don't know if this angle is going to be good, but the last few big wait and see moments have failed to deliver. So once again stop avoiding the question and going with the sarcastic answer.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 30, 2013 23:56:57 GMT -5
I figured this would happen when the feud started, and quite frankly, I'm very glad it did. It's a compelling turn in the story, and I very much think it's only going to be more interesting and compelling from here on out. But then, I'm not jaded. See now I'm just thinking of Mila Kunis in the Aerosmith video.. so I'm torn, cuz Mila is always hot, but while I like any Aerosmith 'Just Push Play', both the album and the tour was a bit weaker compared to other times I've seen them live. Still, any Aerosmith is good Aerosmith.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 30, 2013 23:57:19 GMT -5
Kane will be revealed as the backer of the Wyatts, but he answers to a higher power, Sister Abigail. After about a month of build, Sister Abigail, in a traditional pioneer woman outfit, comes down to the ring, her face obscured. She leans over, showing it to Bryan, who screams out in anger. Then she shows it to the crowd.
It's Dr. Shelby, and this was the true final test of anger management.
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Post by Lancers on Dec 30, 2013 23:58:05 GMT -5
My thing is, I love CM Punk, but I think he's booked too strong as a face. Cena and Sheamus are booked too strong, and character-wise I can't really stand either of them. On one hand, I love Daniel Bryan and I want him to be booked as strong as the other guys, and he has been until now. On the other, I'm glad they're taking a chance with a character, and Bryan may just be the right guy to do that with. It's a very risky experiment. It could work, but I'm a major critic of the WWE's ability to do nuance. What they're gonna have to do for the next few weeks is make people still root for a man as he's going through a phase of playing a heel. Can we trust the WWE brain trust to keep Daniel Bryan's momentum go through this? My 25 year history of the WWE says in the words of Walter White....tread lightly.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 30, 2013 23:58:53 GMT -5
So Bryan main eventing the final Raw of 2013 for 40 mins is "fading into the background"? Colour me kanefused. Fine, I take back fading into the background as it hasn't happened yet. What about my overall point do you think is unreasonable? Like, it's scripted, right? So he was scripted to be screwed out of it. Has Cena or Bryan beaten Daniel Bryan clean? Nope. Has Bryan beaten Cena and Orton clean? Yup. So, in my eyes, as we close out 2013, the strongest star in the entire company is Mr. Daniel Bryan. This is why I'm not crying.
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Dec 30, 2013 23:59:07 GMT -5
Sure. I'm talking about big angles or big moments that everyone bitched about at the beginning and turned out great. We don't know if this angle is going to be good, but the last few big wait and see moments have failed to deliver. So once again stop avoiding the question and going with the sarcastic answer. When did I do that the first time? It's a f***ing joke. Maybe stop taking it so damn serious. I'm sure there's angles that I've enjoyed and were received fairly well that everyone bitched about beforehand. But I'm not interested right now so go bug someone else please.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 30, 2013 23:59:37 GMT -5
Any images to prove your point? And don't say The Shield. Nobody bitched about them outside a small minority wanting Ohno instead of Reigns Oh yes, we most certainly CAN use The Shield. There were numerous times with their matches in the beginning that people thought they'd get beat by Cena or Ryback or whomever and then become glorified jobbers. Yet it didn't happen. Heck, 2013 really was their year. They have so much credibility thanks to them being booked more carefully that I say they deserve the first spot in that counter-collage.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 31, 2013 0:01:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately, any interesting angle must be "wait and see". There has to be a point where something happens and you don't know what's coming up If not, it's barely even an angle. You're right. It's only been 5 months. What's another year, right? Edit: This isn't actually directed towards Bootytime.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 31, 2013 0:02:06 GMT -5
Still, any Aerosmith is good Aerosmith.
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Post by unc40 on Dec 31, 2013 0:02:25 GMT -5
There is the right way of doing things, the wrong way of doing things and the WWE way of doing things.
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Post by lodirulz on Dec 31, 2013 0:02:42 GMT -5
Even as a supporter of the group, I kept waiting for Bryan to sucker punch Wyatt. I didn't expect it, and I was *throws up riot shield* HAPPY by the turn of events, but something didn't feel right about Bryan just suddenly accepting them and walking off with them. Reminded me of when it looked like The Dudley Boyz were going to join Right to Censor.
Either way, even if it's for a few days, I'll be updating my avatar.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 31, 2013 0:03:29 GMT -5
Still, any Aerosmith is good Aerosmith. Your gif response to my love for Steven, Joe and the boys has earned you a powerful enemy this day. Except I'll never remember to be angry.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 31, 2013 0:03:53 GMT -5
Any images to prove your point? And don't say The Shield. Nobody bitched about them outside a small minority wanting Ohno instead of Reigns Oh yes, we most certainly CAN use The Shield. There were numerous times with their matches in the beginning that people thought they'd get beat by Cena or Ryback or whomever and then become glorified jobbers. Yet it didn't happen. Heck, 2013 really was their year. They have so much credibility thanks to them being booked more carefully that I say they deserve the first spot in that counter-collage. There's a difference between skepticism to disliking the direction a story takes. The Shield can't be included because the only basis of argument anyone had was to compare them to recent stables which had been booked badly in the end. But I'll give you one. The Jericho/Michaels feud in 2008. Which stared off as that weird Batista/Michaels angle featuring Jericho. That had a weak start but ended up turning into something great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 0:05:26 GMT -5
Any images to prove your point? And don't say The Shield. Nobody bitched about them outside a small minority wanting Ohno instead of Reigns Oh yes, we most certainly CAN use The Shield. There were numerous times with their matches in the beginning that people thought they'd get beat by Cena or Ryback or whomever and then become glorified jobbers. Yet it didn't happen. Heck, 2013 really was their year. They have so much credibility thanks to them being booked more carefully that I say they deserve the first spot in that counter-collage. Fair point but I guess I would have to look back at some threads to see if there was tons of negative reception amongst their debut.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 31, 2013 0:07:56 GMT -5
The vast majority of my enjoyment of WWE for years has come from reveling in its unintentional hilarity. It's very rare that something actually grabs my attention on a completely unironic level and makes me seriously excited to see what's going to happen next.
This is one of those occasions.
Sucks that the fans of the wrestler who's the focal point in one of the most intriguing angles in years are busy whining about it, but then they've been finding excuses to whine about every single booking decision regarding Daniel Bryan since he stepped foot in WWE, so that's nothing new.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 0:09:45 GMT -5
My thing is, I love CM Punk, but I think he's booked too strong as a face. Cena and Sheamus are booked too strong, and character-wise I can't really stand either of them. On one hand, I love Daniel Bryan and I want him to be booked as strong as the other guys, and he has been until now. On the other, I'm glad they're taking a chance with a character, and Bryan may just be the right guy to do that with. It's a very risky experiment. It could work, but I'm a major critic of the WWE's ability to do nuance. What they're gonna have to do for the next few weeks is make people still root for a man as he's going through a phase of playing a heel. Can we trust the WWE brain trust to keep Daniel Bryan's momentum go through this? My 25 year history of the WWE says in the words of Walter White....tread lightly. Hey, we saw CM Punk constantly get cheered despite being the worst person in the world for 9 months straight. Bryan got massive cheers as a heel for most of 2012 as well. WWE might just be counting on their stubborn fanbase to help them pull off something cool. That being said, it's really hard to argue with "I don't trust WWE", because they've dicked up a lot of promising stuff. And the Ahmed Johnson joining the Nation comparisons are like a punch in my enthusiasm's stomach. I was the biggest Ahmed mark ever, and joining the Nation ruined him. Didn't help that he couldn't stay healthy, not hurt his opponents, keep his tights out of his ass, refrain from wearing way too much padding, or speak in coherent sentences, though.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 31, 2013 0:13:15 GMT -5
I'm not angry, more confused and disappointed.
I mean, how hard would it be to tease Bryan vs. Wyatt, one on one, over the next couple weeks of TV and then Bryan finally gets his hands on him, without the interference of Harper and Rowan, after winning some sort of match with a BS stipulation made by Triple H or Stephanie or Kane or Maddox. So you maybe do a cage match at the Royal Rumble with Bryan and Wyatt. Bryan beats Wyatt and then wins the Rumble despite taking a serious asskicking earlier in the night (putting over the fact that Wyatt is no slouch in the ring). Bryan goes on to Wrestlemania, wins the WWE Heavyweight Title, and finally gets to hold it for more than 24 hours, proving the Authority wrong by beating Randy Orton or whoever the champion might be at the time. In the meantime, the Wyatts move on to feuding with a midcard face team (the Rhodes maybe?).
It's certainly not complicated. But it also doesn't hurt Bryan, which I can't help but feel that's what tonight was. He gave up. And like Lancers said, if Cena were in Bryan's position, he would have never given up. And comparing it to the Punk/New Blood angle, the thing is that Bryan's had more exposure and more time to get over now when you do such an angle than Punk or the New Blood did at the time. Will fans be as receptive now that he's basically given up? But why would you risk losing your fans in the first place when Bryan has yet to achieve the god level status of always being over that the veterans like Jericho or the Undertaker have?
We'll see, but as it's been stated, WWE certainly has not earned the benefit of the doubt over the past few years when it comes to having angles actually having a meaningful, logical, and entertaining payoff.
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Post by JTG Fan on Dec 31, 2013 0:13:50 GMT -5
The vast majority of my enjoyment of WWE for years has come from reveling in its unintentional hilarity. It's very rare that something actually grabs my attention on a completely unironic level and makes me seriously excited to see what's going to happen next. This is one of those occasions. Sucks that the fans of the wrestler who's the focal point in one of the most intriguing angles in years are busy whining about it, but then they've been finding excuses to whine about every single booking decision regarding Daniel Bryan since he stepped foot in WWE, so that's nothing new. The walkout angle of 2011 did that for me. And what a thrilling conclusion we got from that. But hey, those damn whiny Daniel Bryan fans amirite?
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