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Post by Glitch on Dec 31, 2013 16:52:22 GMT -5
I've learned that any horrible and putrid adaptation of a superhero movie can be excused if we think of them as "elseworlds" versions, according to Angry Joe.
Batman and Robin? Elseworlds version. Wolverine? Elseworlds version(eve if not DC). Barbwire? Elseworlds(because why the hell not?)
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 31, 2013 18:00:24 GMT -5
It was better than Superman Returns, and i liked Michael Shannon as Zod and the end fight scene was pretty epic, but the film just didnt have the same vibe that im looking for in a superhero film. Seriously, it seems like every DC film since Batman Begins (i havent seen Green Lantern) has got to be deadly ultra-serious. Though it worked for the Dark Knight trilogy and Watchmen, it doesnt work for Superman. Yep, we can officially agree that Batman is the Poochie of the DC Universe. Look at the MOS "sequel." And he does Poochie one better in that his mood must be in EVERYTHING. I am not sure if I should believe that DC/WB thought TDK was successful just because it was "dark," and not because it captured the mood of Batman, whose mood happens to be "dark." No one could be that dense (or retarded or something...) This is why Marvel is so ahead it's not funny. For argument sake we'll pretend Iron Man 3, and the whole "swapping great Spidey and Avengers toons for inferior ones" thing don't exist.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 1, 2014 1:37:35 GMT -5
ComicBook Girl 19 does a comparison of Man of Steel to two comic books that also set out to do the same goal of re-imagining Superman for a more modern audience. This shows even more of why MoS failed big time.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 1, 2014 1:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 2:12:41 GMT -5
Eh, I don't care what the MOS Defense Force says. I believe that not only is Iron Man 3 superior to Man of Steel, but Man of Steel doesn't come close to even the worst movie from Marvel Studios. I mean it's passable, but being super serious does not always equal a superior movie.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 1, 2014 2:12:44 GMT -5
after watching it with my fiance i hate it even more because she pointed out more reasons it sucks
Every time Cavill is shown in the Superman costume hes frowning and making these epic grim faces. Kinda opposite of the boy scout we're used to. Also the first time Lois meets Kal-El he burns a hole in her stomach. A lot more horrifying than "You've got me! Who's got you?". I think Superman Returns is a better movie and Brandon Routh is a better Clark. Definitely not going to be Afflecks fault if Superman/Batman sucks
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 1, 2014 9:35:25 GMT -5
I've learned that any horrible and putrid adaptation of a superhero movie can be excused if we think of them as "elseworlds" versions, according to Angry Joe. Batman and Robin? Elseworlds version. Wolverine? Elseworlds version(eve if not DC). Barbwire? Elseworlds(because why the hell not?) Honestly, the Elseworlds argument just strikes me as a gigantic cop out. Movies and tv shows reach a larger audience than comics, for many people, those will be the definitive version (Hence why so many were confused that Green Lantern wasn't black), so it's important at least to get the core essence of the character right. You can argue for a different take or telling without hand waving any criticism by saying it's an Elseworlds so they don't need to act right or explain.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 1, 2014 12:47:55 GMT -5
It had its problems but I enjoy it.
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Post by Cela on Jan 1, 2014 13:23:55 GMT -5
I've softened a little, but still didn't think it was a very good movie. I get what they were going for, but I didn't feel like Superman was really acting the way he should have. I like how something happening 3 times in like 75 years is enough to make people completely throw away Superman's policy on killing. Hundreds of examples exist of him not doing something, but if he did it 30 years ago in the acid-fueled era of comics we can't possibly think of it as a character trait anymore . Except he did it to that character. There is precedent of Zod killing, or dude similar to Zod killing.
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Post by Muskrat on Jan 1, 2014 13:46:05 GMT -5
It had its problems but I enjoy it. Same. It was riddled with issues, but had some really enjoyable parts. I enjoyed all the principal actors (even if Pa Kent was horribly written), the story was enough of a twist on the traditional Superman origin that it didn't feel like an unnecessary rehash (even if I didn't like every change), and the flick looked fantastic visually (3D was only decent, nothing spectacular tho). Also, I'm still positive that they're going to address the whole mass destruction of Metropolis thing in the sequel. I've been saying since it came out that that's the perfect way to introduce Luthor, have him gain political power between flicks based on his response and reaction to the whole Zod/Supes battle. That way he can have a relatively small role in SvB but still be an incredibly important character. Also, I thought the Superman killing the Phantom Zone guys was a pretty well known story?
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 1, 2014 13:52:55 GMT -5
Except he did it to that character. There is precedent of Zod killing, or dude similar to Zod killing. There's one now-retconned example in comics 20 years ago, and they cut out a scene from the second movie that showed Zod didn't die, which left it ambiguous at worst. More recently, even in the face of similar problems, he's refused to kill Zod, who died when his own plan backfired. Other times when Zod has appeared, he's been imprisoned in some way or another. Yes, in 75 years of existence some writer will have him act out of character and do something other writers won't, that happens when you have that much material about a character written by that many different people, but the bulk of examples don't show him like that. Pointing to the one time he did in 75 years of existence would be like making a Batman movie were Batman wears bright red and yellow, and then saying people can't criticize it because a Batman-like character once wore that in the comics. I get the point they were trying to make with it, I get the emotion they were going for, and admittedly if they address it later, it's not automatically a bad angle to take, but arguing that killing Zod isn't a departure for the character is just wrong.
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Post by Cela on Jan 1, 2014 13:59:03 GMT -5
Except he did it to that character. There is precedent of Zod killing, or dude similar to Zod killing. There's one now-retconned example in comics 20 years ago, and they cut out a scene from the second movie that showed Zod didn't die, which left it ambiguous at worst. More recently, even in the face of similar problems, he's refused to kill Zod, who died when his own plan backfired. Other times when Zod has appeared, he's been imprisoned in some way or another. Yes, in 75 years of existence some writer will have him act out of character and do something other writers won't, that happens when you have that much material about a character written by that many different people, but the bulk of examples don't show him like that. Pointing to the one time he did in 75 years of existence would be like making a Batman movie were Batman wears bright red and yellow, and then saying people can't criticize it because a Batman-like character once wore that in the comics. I get the point they were trying to make with it, I get the emotion they were going for, and admittedly if they address it later, it's not automatically a bad angle to take, but arguing that killing Zod isn't a departure for the character is just wrong. Well, this is early Superman, still figuring out powers, so much closer to the pre-retcon era. Maybe there will be a crisis movie and Zod will be brought back to chew more scenery. Would that make you happy?
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 1, 2014 14:13:30 GMT -5
Well, this is early Superman, still figuring out powers, so much closer to the pre-retcon era. Maybe there will be a crisis movie and Zod will be brought back to chew more scenery. Would that make you happy? Like I said, I get what they were going for with it and I've softened on that particular plot point, I'm just saying that you can't tell people that it's not part of his character just because you have one writer doing one story in 75 years of stories where the character did something that he hasn't done otherwise. It's a bad argument to make. And "pre-retcon" Superman wasn't exactly going around snapping necks and blowing up gas stations. That one story was a departure of the character, not a trend of him. Man of Steel, as a whole, isn't acting more like old-school Superman stories, or stories of early Superman. Killing Zod was just the candle on the cake. It's not like I thought it was an amazing movie prior to that one scene, I still thought it wasn't very good, that one scene just put a cap on it, even though I understand what they were doing with it. And it's not like I loved Zod and was angry he was killed, Zod's acting was terrible in the movie, so I wouldn't really be eager to see him again. I'm hoping whoever they get to play Luthor is better.
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Post by Hurbster on Jan 1, 2014 18:54:40 GMT -5
It's still not good, imo.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jan 1, 2014 19:15:37 GMT -5
I didn't really care for it. The first half's non-linear timeline drove me nuts, and the second half might as well have been from a Michael Bay movie.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jan 1, 2014 19:46:36 GMT -5
Other than agreeing with that PA Kent was a massive arsehole I still like the movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 19:58:03 GMT -5
When I first heard of the death at the end, I had no idea the context of it and immediately assumed the worst since everyone was going so nuts about it.
Once I saw it, it made much much MUCH more sense and turned me face against all the detractors.
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Post by domrep on Jan 1, 2014 21:44:43 GMT -5
I never watched it in theaters. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, I thought the action was excellent, and the acting was solid. It's a friggin Superman movie, I want ACTION. Only thing I didn't like was how rushed the Lois/Superman/Kent dynamic was. She found out who he was, where he was from, and he started at the Daily Planet all in one movie. Russo-esque
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Post by domrep on Jan 1, 2014 21:44:58 GMT -5
I never watched it in theaters. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, I thought the action was excellent, and the acting was solid. It's a friggin Superman movie, I want ACTION. Only thing I didn't like was how rushed the Lois/Superman/Kent dynamic was. She found out who he was, where he was from, and he started at the Daily Planet all in one movie. Russo-esque
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Post by Legion on Jan 2, 2014 8:13:12 GMT -5
When I first heard of the death at the end, I had no idea the context of it and immediately assumed the worst since everyone was going so nuts about it. Once I saw it, it made much much MUCH more sense and turned me face against all the detractors. For me, the more and more I thought about the end, the more and more it annoyed me. I'm not a fan of Superman in the comics, so my annoyance doesn't stem from characterisation changes from not a killer to a killer, but more from the fact that the guy was so torn up for so much of the movie about his powers and responsibilities and father installed fear and guilt.....that he then almost proves his dad right by destroying a town and a city, killing hundreds, if not thousands, of people....only to stop for one family totally too late to do anything about the goodness knows how many other deaths. It's a massive disconnect.
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