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Post by rapidfire187 on Jan 2, 2014 20:33:05 GMT -5
Why do Eddie and Davey need to be WrestleMania main eventers? Just let them have good matches in the tag division. Honestly, I don't see anyone in NXT as a future Wrestlemania main eventer. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of a lot of the guys but none of them look like futute megastars to me.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 2, 2014 20:33:49 GMT -5
And yes I might complain about some 5'3 guy with a potbelly. If WWE put it forward, I doubt you would.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 2, 2014 20:34:30 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that those two would make a big deal about going to NXT just to be told they wouldn't get contracts anyway. They were probably told they'd get signed, right? Thus they would have to have their last commitments to fufill before going, right? I'd like more confirmation first, as I would from any of these stories, as there's big holes that'd need to be filled. From what I understand they weren't going to be invited because as the story says, Trips feels they have enough of the worker types and wants to looks for more spectacles and larger than life character types. It took Regal coming to him and basically begging to get them their original two week trial. The thought was they were going to be offered a short term NXT deal to try and impress but they (or at least Davey) also had a good offer from TNA and they weren't totally committed to coming to NXT after getting the TNA offer and it hurt them and judging by this, caused them to lose out on the NXT thing.
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Post by eJm on Jan 2, 2014 20:36:31 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that those two would make a big deal about going to NXT just to be told they wouldn't get contracts anyway. They were probably told they'd get signed, right? Thus they would have to have their last commitments to fufill before going, right? I'd like more confirmation first, as I would from any of these stories, as there's big holes that'd need to be filled. From what I understand they weren't going to be invited because as the story says, Trips feels they have enough of the worker types and wants to looks for more spectacles and larger than life character types. It took Regal coming to him and basically begging to get them their original two week trial. The thought was they were going to be offered a short term NXT deal to try and impress but they (or at least Davey) also had a good offer from TNA and they weren't totally committed to coming to NXT after getting the TNA offer and it hurt them and judging by this, caused them to lose out on the NXT thing. I guess that'd be the case, it just still feels weird and not quite the full story.
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Post by ededdneddy on Jan 2, 2014 21:00:52 GMT -5
And it just so happens that one of them gets injured in their match by The Ascension. Why can't i get the image of Triple H backstage telling Connor and Viktor to make an example of them out of my mind?
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Post by domrep on Jan 2, 2014 21:05:32 GMT -5
Yanno the whole financial thing sounds great and all, but...maybe it's just me, this performance center will either change/revolutionize the business or it will be a complete failure. There's no in between. I rolled my eyes when HHH gave that interview where he basically stated everyone is going to be taught the same style and there doesn't seem to be room for people to stand out if everything is being done the same way.
And while the $ aspect makes sense, not everyone gets paid high six figures. If you're making less than 500K, I'm sure you're either breaking even or making some money but not enough to save when you factor in: road expenses, gym, food, etc
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 2, 2014 21:14:09 GMT -5
Regarding the Edwards/Richards thing.. Sometimes I wish wrestling was more shoot based. Most of the old time wrestlers weren't the biggest guys, but they'd put the hurt on you, the same applies with many MMA guys. WHY THE HELL does Vince and Co. continue to want people to "look the part"? Isn't it clear the fans don't put the kind of emphasis on this anymore? If some 5'3 guy with a potbelly debuted tomorrow and they promoted him as some kind of insane submission specialist...would THAT many people complain that he doesn't look the part? It's the job of the company to make the guy matter, not genetics. It's about playing the part. The 80's are over Vince...people don't buy that shit as much anymore. they're interested in people besides the current fans. THey want guys who will attract non-wrestling fans too. Then they should look to what draws in MMA and boxing. And guess what, it's not huge guys. WWE's going on a formula that's passe and hasn't worked in decades. A Brock here, or a Batista there is special. But wanting to sign excursively large men in silly and shortsighted. WWE needs to open its horizons more to what the masses are embracing elsewhere. Not just always go back to the same HGH filled well just because the company owners are bloated meatbags themselves.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 2, 2014 21:16:46 GMT -5
Regarding the Edwards/Richards thing.. Sometimes I wish wrestling was more shoot based. Most of the old time wrestlers weren't the biggest guys, but they'd put the hurt on you, the same applies with many MMA guys. WHY THE HELL does Vince and Co. continue to want people to "look the part"? Isn't it clear the fans don't put the kind of emphasis on this anymore? If some 5'3 guy with a potbelly debuted tomorrow and they promoted him as some kind of insane submission specialist...would THAT many people complain that he doesn't look the part? It's the job of the company to make the guy matter, not genetics. It's about playing the part. The 80's are over Vince...people don't buy that shit as much anymore. they're interested in people besides the current fans. THey want guys who will attract non-wrestling fans too. And yes I might complain about some 5'3 guy with a potbelly. If they are trying to bring in new fans, they need to completely rehaul the presentation of their TV shows before they touch anything else. The product feels stale as shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 21:21:47 GMT -5
they're interested in people besides the current fans. THey want guys who will attract non-wrestling fans too. Then they should look to what draws in MMA and boxing. And guess what, it's not huge guys. WWE's going on a formula that's passe and hasn't worked in decades. A Brock here, or a Lesnar there is special. But wanting to sign excursively large men in silly and shortsighted. WWE needs to open its horizons more to what the masses are embracing elsewhere. Not just always go back to the same HGH filled well just because the company owners are bloated meatbags themselves. It's not just about size. I'm guessing the WWE brought in the Wolves for an extended tryout mostly to see how they handle WWE style promos and they weren't impressed.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 2, 2014 21:25:18 GMT -5
And yes I might complain about some 5'3 guy with a potbelly. If WWE put it forward, I doubt you would.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 2, 2014 21:28:06 GMT -5
they're interested in people besides the current fans. THey want guys who will attract non-wrestling fans too. And yes I might complain about some 5'3 guy with a potbelly. If they are trying to bring in new fans, they need to completely rehaul the presentation of their TV shows before they touch anything else. The product feels stale as shit. it wouldn't feel stale to people who don't watch it every week. There was a tag line to NBC tv during summer reruns in the 90s' "If you haven't seen it, it's new to you."
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 2, 2014 21:28:46 GMT -5
Then they should look to what draws in MMA and boxing. And guess what, it's not huge guys. WWE's going on a formula that's passe and hasn't worked in decades. A Brock here, or a Lesnar there is special. But wanting to sign excursively large men in silly and shortsighted. WWE needs to open its horizons more to what the masses are embracing elsewhere. Not just always go back to the same HGH filled well just because the company owners are bloated meatbags themselves. It's not just about size. I'm guessing the WWE brought in the Wolves for an extended tryout mostly to see how they handle WWE style promos and they weren't impressed. If that was the reason, it's justified at least. If it was size issue, though, it's not, and adds to the overall perception problem WWE needs to remedy.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 2, 2014 21:30:56 GMT -5
If they are trying to bring in new fans, they need to completely rehaul the presentation of their TV shows before they touch anything else. The product feels stale as shit. it wouldn't feel stale to people who don't watch it every week. There was a tag line to NBC tv during summer reruns in the 90s' "If you haven't seen it, it's new to you." The reason why people don't watch it is because it doesn't appeal to them at first glance. You gotta give the show a new look before new people will even give it a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 21:45:34 GMT -5
I get the not signing them thing.
From brand standpoint they're full up on smallish guys who can wrestle. Hell they don't even know what to do with the ones they do have.
Diversity in body type is good for the show and I'd imagine he let them try out on the off chance they'd blow everyone away.
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Post by sybaku on Jan 2, 2014 21:48:57 GMT -5
Honesty The Wolves really seemed bland on NXT, and one of them failed to do a back body properly and promptly splattered himself (no it wasn't the Ascensions fault either dude didn't flip for a back body) compare them to say a Sami Zayn who is small but looks like a superhero out there The Wolves came across as "indie" with their insanely technical and awesome wrestling style but little to no crowd control or charisma. The WWE is looking for larger than life characters not MMA fighters who fly around the ring. Japan or ROH is where you go for that.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jan 2, 2014 22:44:10 GMT -5
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jan 2, 2014 23:12:15 GMT -5
Considering two of their top guys are dudes smaller than me, I doubt size is the issue.
What separates Punk & Bryan from the Wolves? They have both mic skills, charisma, and larger than life personalities.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 2, 2014 23:24:52 GMT -5
Then they should look to what draws in MMA and boxing. And guess what, it's not huge guys. WWE's going on a formula that's passe and hasn't worked in decades. A Brock here, or a Lesnar there is special. But wanting to sign excursively large men in silly and shortsighted. WWE needs to open its horizons more to what the masses are embracing elsewhere. Not just always go back to the same HGH filled well just because the company owners are bloated meatbags themselves. It's not just about size. I'm guessing the WWE brought in the Wolves for an extended tryout mostly to see how they handle WWE style promos and they weren't impressed. That's a pretty random guess, and I have no idea how you managed to come up with it. Especially considering like half of the superstars in NXT couldn't cut a promo to save their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 23:33:01 GMT -5
And yes I might complain about some 5'3 guy with a potbelly. If WWE put it forward, I doubt you would. Of course not. He'd wait for someone else to complain, and reply something like "mugsy bogues was 5'3" and act like he just sunk your Battleship.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 2, 2014 23:34:36 GMT -5
I guess that's why they were willing to pay Xavier Woods to become a doctor. Sure, they made a very intelligent well spoken young man have a dancing gimmick, but at least they paid for his college.
And yeah, apparently Joey Mercury and William Regal were the guys pitching the American Wolves. Again, if they won't be signed, this is a team TNA should go after. They're probably somewhat expensive, but not likely as much as some more known WWE talent on the indies.
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