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Post by celticjobber on Jan 3, 2014 20:58:10 GMT -5
Can Hogan even do his signature spots? I'm not concerned about Hogan effecting the future, I'm concerned about him effecting the present. Hogan hasn't been able to do the leg drop for several years now. He can still "Hulk up", do the punches and maybe the big boot though. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2014 21:00:33 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't be that confident he can big boot anymore. Maybe knee-chest high.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2014 21:02:54 GMT -5
"Oh my god, the Wyatt's/Shield are going to sell for Hulk, what a travesty!". There is a reason why the WWE doesn't listen to the internet, and it's stuff like that. I will never understand why smarks care about "the future". Casual fans (i.e. the majority who buy the PPV) do not care if Hogan is 60 and the Wyatt's are young and active. They want to see the Hogan signature spots. Just like when The Rock came back. If Austin came back tomorrow, and Brock Lesnar started selling for a retired wrestler with back/neck problems, do you think fans will be in an uproar? I mean, come on. The legends get treated like legends. It's fake. Everyone knows it's fake. If the Shield or Wyatt's lose to Hogan, no one will even remember or care for the loss. They will only care for the signature spots, posing, crowd pop when Real American plays, etc. But that's the thing. Hulk CAN'T do his signature spots. He's not physically able to do so, and it'd be more sad to watch him try. I've loved Hogan since I was six years old in 1984, but I don't want to see him try and wrestle. An appearance? Sure, but anything at all significantly physical? No. Not at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 21:04:45 GMT -5
"Oh my god, the Wyatt's/Shield are going to sell for Hulk, what a travesty!". There is a reason why the WWE doesn't listen to the internet, and it's stuff like that. I will never understand why smarks care about "the future". Casual fans (i.e. the majority who buy the PPV) do not care if Hogan is 60 and the Wyatt's are young and active. They want to see the Hogan signature spots. Just like when The Rock came back. If Austin came back tomorrow, and Brock Lesnar started selling for a retired wrestler with back/neck problems, do you think fans will be in an uproar? I mean, come on. The legends get treated like legends. It's fake. Everyone knows it's fake. If the Shield or Wyatt's lose to Hogan, no one will even remember or care for the loss. They will only care for the signature spots, posing, crowd pop when Real American plays, etc. Yeah dude, I'm sure the casuals are just dying to see Hulk Hogan do a leg drop in 2014. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 3, 2014 21:08:39 GMT -5
The Summer of Punk...three years after everyone wanted it. Although I can't complain, could be interesting again if done right. A pipebomb on Batista could be amazing. I keep saying that. Have Punk make some basketball jokes and roll some Batista photoshops on the Titantron for good measure |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 21:51:53 GMT -5
"Oh my god, the Wyatt's/Shield are going to sell for Hulk, what a travesty!". There is a reason why the WWE doesn't listen to the internet, and it's stuff like that. I will never understand why smarks care about "the future". Casual fans (i.e. the majority who buy the PPV) do not care if Hogan is 60 and the Wyatt's are young and active. They want to see the Hogan signature spots. Just like when The Rock came back. If Austin came back tomorrow, and Brock Lesnar started selling for a retired wrestler with back/neck problems, do you think fans will be in an uproar? I mean, come on. The legends get treated like legends. It's fake. Everyone knows it's fake. If the Shield or Wyatt's lose to Hogan, no one will even remember or care for the loss. They will only care for the signature spots, posing, crowd pop when Real American plays, etc. Yeah dude, I'm sure the casuals are just dying to see Hulk Hogan do a leg drop in 2014. Well, obviously Hulk can't do the leg drop anymore, but he can still Hulk Up, pose, do a big boot (possibly), etc. Watch the pop Hogan gets when he shows up and poses for 10 minutes. It will be the loudest sustained pop of the night in all likelyhood. I will admit I have been a Hulkamaniac since 1986, so I'm biased here, but every time he shows up in the WWF/E he gets massive responses. Whether it is 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, etc. The live crowds in TNA were also hot for him, including a Philly crowd in 2011 that many posters predicted would piss all over him were marking out like crazy when he ripped his shirt off and turned face. Don't get me wrong, as a fan of Hogan, as much as I would have liked if he was healthy and capable of putting on a match, I don't want to see him wrestle either (for his own health). If he shows up and does his posing while Real American plays at WM, that'll be great. But the people freaking out because younger wrestlers will have to sell for him are missing the forest from the trees. He is an attraction. The fans are smart enough to know that. It won't hurt the Shield, or Wyatt's, or whoever. I'm pretty sure wrestlers were selling for Bret Hart, a stroke victim who looks older and way less intimidating than Hogan, when he came back in 2010 (I wasn't watching so correct me if I'm wrong). It really isn't a big deal. If you don't want to see Hulk wrestle, you're entitled to that opinion. Hell, I didn't want to see HHH wrestle in 2002 and he was young back then. We all have our preferences as far as who we find entertaining. But Hogan wrestling at WM will draw, even if he is standing in a corner for 15 minutes waiting for a hot tag. WrestleMania has pretty much turned into a nostalgia show, and Hogan has a fanbase of 30+ years. It makes sense. |
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Post by Idiot on Jan 3, 2014 21:53:35 GMT -5
News about Reigns is already posted. What brain cells does WWE Have if they think that the talentless mannequin is a star One assumes they're talking about a star within the context of reality TV. Compared to JoJo, Eva actually has some personality traits. |
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Post by Bootista on Jan 3, 2014 22:01:54 GMT -5
News about Reigns is already posted. What brain cells does WWE Have if they think that the talentless mannequin is a star One assumes they're talking about a star within the context of reality TV. Compared to JoJo, Eva actually has some personality traits. JoJo actually has potential To be a decent wrestler, compared to Eva the Mannequin |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 3, 2014 22:02:26 GMT -5
Can Hogan even do his signature spots? I'm not concerned about Hogan effecting the future, I'm concerned about him effecting the present. Hogan hasn't been able to do the leg drop for several years now. He can still "Hulk up", do the punches and maybe the big boot though. he's always had a pretty good clotheslines, see the Ax Bomber and he could probably body slam certain guys |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 22:15:02 GMT -5
Yeah dude, I'm sure the casuals are just dying to see Hulk Hogan do a leg drop in 2014. Well, obviously Hulk can't do the leg drop anymore, but he can still Hulk Up, pose, do a big boot (possibly), etc. Watch the pop Hogan gets when he shows up and poses for 10 minutes. It will be the loudest sustained pop of the night in all likelyhood. I will admit I have been a Hulkamaniac since 1986, so I'm biased here, but every time he shows up in the WWF/E he gets massive responses. Whether it is 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, etc. The live crowds in TNA were also hot for him, including a Philly crowd in 2011 that many posters predicted would piss all over him were marking out like crazy when he ripped his shirt off and turned face. Don't get me wrong, as a fan of Hogan, as much as I would have liked if he was healthy and capable of putting on a match, I don't want to see him wrestle either (for his own health). If he shows up and does his posing while Real American plays at WM, that'll be great. But the people freaking out because younger wrestlers will have to sell for him are missing the forest from the trees. He is an attraction. The fans are smart enough to know that. It won't hurt the Shield, or Wyatt's, or whoever. I'm pretty sure wrestlers were selling for Bret Hart, a stroke victim who looks older and way less intimidating than Hogan, when he came back in 2010 (I wasn't watching so correct me if I'm wrong). It really isn't a big deal. If you don't want to see Hulk wrestle, you're entitled to that opinion. Hell, I didn't want to see HHH wrestle in 2002 and he was young back then. We all have our preferences as far as who we find entertaining. But Hogan wrestling at WM will draw, even if he is standing in a corner for 15 minutes waiting for a hot tag. WrestleMania has pretty much turned into a nostalgia show, and Hogan has a fanbase of 30+ years. It makes sense. Yeah I don't like speaking for other people. But think about it..."casual" fans likely do not care about Hulk Hogan, who's prime was 30 years ago. If you're a Hulk Hogan fan from way back when, and you still like wrestling, I think you've crossed over from casual territory. If you liked Hulk Hogan 30 years ago when you were a kid, and haven't watched wrestlnig since, he's not going to make you plop down $70 to watch him, unless you're completely loaded and can spend money like that on a whim. I don't know what it would draw, honestly. On a show with Brock Lesnar, The Undertaker, (possibly) Shawn Michaels, Triple H, John Cena, all these pepole are so much more relevant to a casual fan mindset. Hulk Hogan ain't gonna do much. I was overstating when I said I'd be "personally offended" if the Wyatts sold for Hogan's creaky offense and acted scared of him shaking his fists and tripping around the ring, I was just turning the phrase Lizuka used. But this is a stable that's been decimimating everyone, including WWE's biggest rising star, to the point where he gave up and joined them. So from a pure story standpoint, it would be extremely lame to see them be like "OH NO HOGAN'S SHAKING AROUND WHAT DO WE DOOO?" I wouldn't be offended, but to me that would suck, and would undermine what they've done with the group so far. Admittedly, its not like it ruins them, but it would be inconsistent, and lame. |
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Post by Idiot on Jan 3, 2014 22:15:04 GMT -5
One assumes they're talking about a star within the context of reality TV. Compared to JoJo, Eva actually has some personality traits. JoJo actually has potential To be a decent wrestler, compared to Eva the Mannequin Eva isn't being paid to wrestle, she's being paid to be a part of Total Divas. I do agree that JoJo shows signs of being a good wrestler some day. |
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Post by HR on Jan 3, 2014 22:15:51 GMT -5
JoJo wanted to stop being on TD to focus on her training, Meltzer has no idea what he's talking about.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 3, 2014 22:17:31 GMT -5
y'know what's sad? in 2014, John Cena and Daniel Bryan both feel utterly wasted in the very notion of feuding with the Wyatts at Wrestlemania (I say this as a fan of the Wyatts). Hogan, however, doesn't. really shows how little he matters these days.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 3, 2014 22:18:24 GMT -5
The Summer of Punk...three years after everyone wanted it. Although I can't complain, could be interesting again if done right. A pipebomb on Batista could be amazing. I keep saying that. Have Punk make some basketball jokes and roll some Batista photoshops on the Titantron for good measure All Batista needs to say is "Yeah. Okay? I still main evented while you were a forgettable world champion." How many people would seriously get the Basketball reference? |
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Post by Bootista on Jan 3, 2014 22:19:23 GMT -5
I keep saying that. Have Punk make some basketball jokes and roll some Batista photoshops on the Titantron for good measure All Batista needs to say is "Yeah. Okay? I still main evented while you were a forgettable world champion." How many people would seriously get the Basketball reference? Punk a forgettable world champion? Hardly the case |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 3, 2014 22:22:20 GMT -5
All Batista needs to say is "Yeah. Okay? I still main evented while you were a forgettable world champion." How many people would seriously get the Basketball reference? Punk a forgettable world champion? Hardly the case That first world title run? Oh my yes. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 3, 2014 22:26:43 GMT -5
I keep saying that. Have Punk make some basketball jokes and roll some Batista photoshops on the Titantron for good measure All Batista needs to say is "Yeah. Okay? I still main evented while you were a forgettable world champion." How many people would seriously get the Basketball reference? Wouldn't be good for Bats to say that since he was the one facing Punk in those matches that first WHC run. But yeah, anything involving Punk bringing up memes to try and "tear down" Batista is just ridiculous. When it comes to the Orange One, if they won't clear Ric Flair to do a sit down promo on RAW, there is no way they can clear Hogan to do anything physical. On top of that, as has been shown with his run in TNA, he cannot do anything but punches, no big boot, no slams, absolutely no leg drop or anything that puts pressure on his back. Best case scenario, he is in Cena's corner against someone and throws a few punches to stop a run in/interference. |
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Post by champviadq on Jan 3, 2014 22:27:13 GMT -5
I'll pay 10 more dollars for the PPV for Hulk Hogan to not be on it. This, 100% agreed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 22:44:36 GMT -5
Well, obviously Hulk can't do the leg drop anymore, but he can still Hulk Up, pose, do a big boot (possibly), etc. Watch the pop Hogan gets when he shows up and poses for 10 minutes. It will be the loudest sustained pop of the night in all likelyhood. I will admit I have been a Hulkamaniac since 1986, so I'm biased here, but every time he shows up in the WWF/E he gets massive responses. Whether it is 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, etc. The live crowds in TNA were also hot for him, including a Philly crowd in 2011 that many posters predicted would piss all over him were marking out like crazy when he ripped his shirt off and turned face. Don't get me wrong, as a fan of Hogan, as much as I would have liked if he was healthy and capable of putting on a match, I don't want to see him wrestle either (for his own health). If he shows up and does his posing while Real American plays at WM, that'll be great. But the people freaking out because younger wrestlers will have to sell for him are missing the forest from the trees. He is an attraction. The fans are smart enough to know that. It won't hurt the Shield, or Wyatt's, or whoever. I'm pretty sure wrestlers were selling for Bret Hart, a stroke victim who looks older and way less intimidating than Hogan, when he came back in 2010 (I wasn't watching so correct me if I'm wrong). It really isn't a big deal. If you don't want to see Hulk wrestle, you're entitled to that opinion. Hell, I didn't want to see HHH wrestle in 2002 and he was young back then. We all have our preferences as far as who we find entertaining. But Hogan wrestling at WM will draw, even if he is standing in a corner for 15 minutes waiting for a hot tag. WrestleMania has pretty much turned into a nostalgia show, and Hogan has a fanbase of 30+ years. It makes sense. Yeah I don't like speaking for other people. But think about it..."casual" fans likely do not care about Hulk Hogan, who's prime was 30 years ago. If you're a Hulk Hogan fan from way back when, and you still like wrestling, I think you've crossed over from casual territory. If you liked Hulk Hogan 30 years ago when you were a kid, and haven't watched wrestlnig since, he's not going to make you plop down $70 to watch him, unless you're completely loaded and can spend money like that on a whim. I don't know what it would draw, honestly. On a show with Brock Lesnar, The Undertaker, (possibly) Shawn Michaels, Triple H, John Cena, all these pepole are so much more relevant to a casual fan mindset. Hulk Hogan ain't gonna do much. I was overstating when I said I'd be "personally offended" if the Wyatts sold for Hogan's creaky offense and acted scared of him shaking his fists and tripping around the ring, I was just turning the phrase Lizuka used. But this is a stable that's been decimimating everyone, including WWE's biggest rising star, to the point where he gave up and joined them. So from a pure story standpoint, it would be extremely lame to see them be like "OH NO HOGAN'S SHAKING AROUND WHAT DO WE DOOO?" I wouldn't be offended, but to me that would suck, and would undermine what they've done with the group so far. Admittedly, its not like it ruins them, but it would be inconsistent, and lame. The Summerslam 2005 buyrate (at the time) was the 2nd highest non-WM buyrate since Royal Rumble 2002. Now granted, that was 8+ years ago, but Hogan was well past his prime at that point as well and still drew money. For something a little more recent, look at TNA's ratings on his debut. They drew 2.2 million over 3 hours and Hogan's segment (directly head-to-head with Raw and Bret's return) drew 3 million viewers. TNA has always been around 1.5M viewers, so to double their audience going head-to-head with the #1 wrestling promotion in the world is a pretty big deal. That show was centered entirely on Hogan's debut. I'm not saying Hogan is going to draw week-to-week for the WWE. No one can. Not even The Rock. Certainly not a 60-year old Hogan. But I think he can still draw in a heavily promoted fashion, like his WM appearance likely will be. It would be hard to quantify how many buys Hogan would be responsible for, since WM could probably draw a million buys with Great Khali headlining nowadays, but I think he would make a positive impact. Hell, if TNA, a company that couldn't market something properly if they had a gun to their head, could market Hogan's debut effectively, then I'm pretty sure Vince, HHH, etc, could do it even better. As long as he is not over-exposed or used week-to-week, he should be a positive for them. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2014 22:56:34 GMT -5
And over eight years ago, he could move and with HBK's selling put on a pretty damn good match. Hulk can't anymore. I think you're overestimating what he could bring to the table buy wise. I'm sure some, but clearly he didn't move the needle really for TNA outta one week either.
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