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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 19:47:07 GMT -5
There is a major difference in that Bryan is his own man in this scenario, instead of "help me Cena, you're my only hope". This scenario would have me more satisfied than poor brainwashed Daniel Bryan gets brought to his senses by SuperCena. Cena getting involved with this would be so lame though, and would reek of "ok guys...I think we found a way to actually get Cena cheered by everyone! We'll have him save the Yes chants!" It won't make any difference if Bryan is his own man in that scenario if Cena eventually is the one who takes revenge on the Wyatts. For this random sidetracked storyline to have any payoff beneficial to Daniel Bryan, he alone must overcome the Wyatts. For me, outsmarting them is good enough. I don't expect him to beat all of them up at the same time or something, I don't even want to see that. Outsmarting them then beating Bray in a singles match would suffice. Cena being the savior would really drag this down. But, at the same time, a friend helping him would make sense. What about CM Punk? I'd be cool with Punk watching Bryan's back in a match with Wyatt, making sure the Wyatt-ites don't interfere. Hell, I wouldn't even mind Cena in that scenario, nothing wrong with watching his back. It's all about how it's done, I suppose.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 5, 2014 19:52:53 GMT -5
There is a major difference in that Bryan is his own man in this scenario, instead of "help me Cena, you're my only hope". This scenario would have me more satisfied than poor brainwashed Daniel Bryan gets brought to his senses by SuperCena. Cena getting involved with this would be so lame though, and would reek of "ok guys...I think we found a way to actually get Cena cheered by everyone! We'll have him save the Yes chants!" It won't make any difference if Bryan is his own man in that scenario if Cena eventually is the one who takes revenge on the Wyatts. For this random sidetracked storyline to have any payoff beneficial to Daniel Bryan, he alone must overcome the Wyatts. It's not like Cena is going to help Bryan in the current angle. How do you think Daniel will get out of the angle to move on to another Wrestlemania feud? He outsmarts the Wyatts with a plan he cooked up himself and gets the one up over them. In short, he overcomes them alone. Like I said, Cena only comes in after Bryan has gotten the moral win over Bray and Co.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 5, 2014 20:32:34 GMT -5
It won't make any difference if Bryan is his own man in that scenario if Cena eventually is the one who takes revenge on the Wyatts. For this random sidetracked storyline to have any payoff beneficial to Daniel Bryan, he alone must overcome the Wyatts. It's not like Cena is going to help Bryan in the current angle. How do you think Daniel will get out of the angle to move on to another Wrestlemania feud? He outsmarts the Wyatts with a plan he cooked up himself and gets the one up over them. In short, he overcomes them alone. Like I said, Cena only comes in after Bryan has gotten the moral win over Bray and Co. The moral win will be marginalised if Cena comes in afterwards to finally vanquish the Wyatts, after being pissed off by what they've done to his little buddy Daniel Bryan. Cena doesn't need to be anywhere near this. As for getting out of the angle in order to move onto Wrestlemania, I wouldn't have put him in this angle at all.
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Jan 5, 2014 20:40:18 GMT -5
Temporary or not, I refunded my flight to New Orleans, my hotel reservations, and my WM tickets largely because of it. Granted, it would have put me in a lot of debt to go, so canceling was not that hard of a choice. Honestly this is as stupid as DDP stalking a women who was not even as hot as his actual wife You know wrestling is not real, right?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 5, 2014 20:50:20 GMT -5
It's not like Cena is going to help Bryan in the current angle. How do you think Daniel will get out of the angle to move on to another Wrestlemania feud? He outsmarts the Wyatts with a plan he cooked up himself and gets the one up over them. In short, he overcomes them alone. Like I said, Cena only comes in after Bryan has gotten the moral win over Bray and Co. The moral win will be marginalised if Cena comes in afterwards to finally vanquish the Wyatts, after being pissed off by what they've done to his little buddy Daniel Bryan. Cena doesn't need to be anywhere near this. As for getting out of the angle in order to move onto Wrestlemania, I wouldn't have put him in this angle at all. "Finally vanquish" implies that the Wyatts will disband or be repackaged once they're beaten. Bryan beating them is fine as long as Cena doesn't "save" him. I hate that the Wyatts are getting this rocket up the ass push, but I say do Cena vs the Wyatts because it's going to happen eventually and they're going to continue building the Wyatt Family up to that point Bryan or no Bryan. Let Bryan get HIS victory over the Wyatts and move on. Cena can send them back down to the midcard where they belong.
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Post by kamero00 on Jan 5, 2014 22:02:20 GMT -5
Temporary or not, I refunded my flight to New Orleans, my hotel reservations, and my WM tickets largely because of it. Granted, it would have put me in a lot of debt to go, so canceling was not that hard of a choice. Honestly this is as stupid as DDP stalking a women who was not even as hot as his actual wife You know wrestling is not real, right? I also said I was doing this because I was disinterested in the story line. You know it's free to learn how to read, right?
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Post by bootytea on Jan 5, 2014 22:46:07 GMT -5
Perhaps they can go the brainwash route, but it doesn't make sense how it happened. If he truly was brainwashed, why did he go through the motions of the match? All that segment taught us is that Daniel Bryan gave up which is a heelish thing to do. The quote at the top of my post pretty much sums up how it makes complete sense. For 6 months Bryan was beaten down week after week by a machine that could twist and manipulate the system Bryan had to work inside to get any semblance of vengeance, then by a relentless cult of monsters. Bryan's long time tag partner and friend was kidnapped by the Wyatts and upon his return joined the very machine that was breaking Bryan. Then in a match that should have been the most advantageous to Bryan lead to his tutor costing him his shot by kicking him in the face and siding with the machine, again. There is no brainwashing to speak of and there doesn't need to be, Bryan is arguably more broken mentally then he was before the Anger Management storyline and as such would be easily lead and manipulated. You are going to have to explain why giving up is a heelish action to you, as I don't see it. [/quote] He is siding with an evil person that has caused havoc onto people to satisfy his sick ideals. By your logic, guys like Charles Manson do not deserve to be seen as evil because their actions are a result of a rough upbringing. Everybody goes through tough times, but its up to them to do the right thing. This story just makes Daniel Bryan come across as a weak minded individual who gives up when the going gets tough. If John Cena was booked in this angle, he would not give in and keep fighting for whats right, even if it cost him his life. Furthermore, cult leaders prey on people that have given up or are overwhelmed by their problems just like Bray Wyatt is doing to Daniel Bryan. That is a form of brainwashing since a person who is under duress is more likely to make bad decisions without thinking them through. I do understand what you mean, but a story like this makes it obvious that the company does not believe Daniel Bryan is quite ready to be the face of the company. Hopefully they can figure out how to give the people a new star before its too late.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 5, 2014 22:49:14 GMT -5
The moral win will be marginalised if Cena comes in afterwards to finally vanquish the Wyatts, after being pissed off by what they've done to his little buddy Daniel Bryan. Cena doesn't need to be anywhere near this. As for getting out of the angle in order to move onto Wrestlemania, I wouldn't have put him in this angle at all. "Finally vanquish" implies that the Wyatts will disband or be repackaged once they're beaten. I used "vanquish" in reference to these two posts... I'd settle for the Wyatts just getting their heads kicked in, but if they do, it needs to be Bryan who does it. Cena can certainly have his own feud with them but I'd be hesitant for him to use Daniel Bryan as a reason for doing so.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 5, 2014 23:25:24 GMT -5
Maybe I just worded my initial idea for the Cena/Wyatts feud poorly, but you could easily just have the Wyatts target Cena instead of him starting the feud, maybe on the Raw after the Rumble, he cuts an in-ring promo about the night before, then the Wyatts DERP! their way to the ring and beat Cena up because he's pure of heart or represents the machine or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 23:39:39 GMT -5
Looks like he came straight out of Crystal Lake.
...this is f***ing terrible. Of all the people Bryan could've had a program with, why these hacks? I'm still open-minded about Bray, what with his damned fine promo he gave on Smackdown, but god. Does this really have to be main event and does Bryan REALLY have nothing better to do than to carry these clowns?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 23:41:32 GMT -5
Looks like he came straight out of Crystal Lake. ...this is f***ing terrible. Of all the people Bryan could've had a program with, why these hacks? I'm still open-minded about Bray, what with his damned fine promo he gave on Smackdown, but god. Does this really have to be main event and does Bryan REALLY have nothing better to do than to carry these clowns? I'm pretty sure the idea is they know Bryan is super popular so they're taking a small chance and trying to use him to elevate the Wyatts before he continues on his way. Right now anything Bryan touches the crowd is all over and they know that.
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Post by Chip on Jan 6, 2014 0:01:03 GMT -5
He is siding with an evil person that has caused havoc onto people to satisfy his sick ideals. There's a difference between siding with and joining though and I think we'll see that difference as the angle progresses. Whilst Bryan may be a member of the Wyatt family now that doesn't mean he agrees with or pushes their ideals and morals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 0:35:42 GMT -5
If they do some crazy convoluted angle involving Kane, The Authority, The Wyatts, and Bryan, even if it's full of plotholes and kind of stupid, I'll find it really awesome. There are pieces in place for something pretty wild.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 6, 2014 2:33:36 GMT -5
Bray: We need to cook, Bryan.
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Post by shaker on Jan 6, 2014 12:43:30 GMT -5
So from reading 11 pages, what I'm taking from this is that Bryan will be a member of the Wyatt Family until Cena steps in and frees him somehow. Then Bryan and Cena have a match, Cena gets back his win, and Bryan is forever in the midcard.
I am glad we have so many fortune tellers here!
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2014 13:43:22 GMT -5
So from reading 11 pages, what I'm taking from this is that Bryan will be a member of the Wyatt Family until Cena steps in and frees him somehow. Then Bryan and Cena have a match, Cena gets back his win, and Bryan is forever in the midcard. I am glad we have so many fortune tellers here! Either that or we have many people familiar with WWE's booking habits.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jan 6, 2014 23:01:33 GMT -5
Bray: We need to cook Bryan. Cannibalism is more likely. So... verdict about tonight?
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Post by Chip on Jan 6, 2014 23:17:38 GMT -5
So... verdict about tonight? I was really excited for RAW, for the first time in a good while, I so desperately wanted to see the next step in the story and....... we didn't really get one. It was cool to see a more vicious Bryan but that was about it.
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Post by ookkie on Jan 6, 2014 23:18:38 GMT -5
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 6, 2014 23:19:56 GMT -5
So... verdict about tonight? I was really excited for RAW, for the first time in a good while, I so desperately wanted to see the next step in the story and....... we didn't really get one. It was cool to see a more vicious Bryan but that was about it. Well, I got the sense that Bryan's playing the Wyatts for fools from the match's finish, so there's that.
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