I hate anti/quitting smoking ads

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I always get intense cravings for a smoke, it's like they designed them for people like me who recently quit smoking to get serious cravings to try whatever stupid f***ing quitting smoking method for me to try.

[SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman]

That's actually something I hadn't thought about before. What exactly about it causes the craving?

[Orange]

I've actually heard before that big cigarette companies control those ads, or at least the big national ones like Truth.

No idea if it's true, but I've heard that a few times before.

[Brood Lone Wolf Funker]

Jan 5, 2014 14:53:43 GMT -5 Orange said:

I've actually heard before that big cigarette companies control those ads, or at least the big national ones like Truth.

No idea if it's true, but I've heard that a few times before.

The Truth ones are done by Tobacco IRC because of a lawsuit, some of the commercials though freak me the hell out and scare me and I worry because with the exception of my mom and I everyone in my house smokes

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Jan 5, 2014 14:40:58 GMT -5 SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman said:

That's actually something I hadn't thought about before. What exactly about it causes the craving?

The one I keep seeing is they are interviewing some guy who is trying to quit smoking and how hard it was for him (while they constantly show him smoking and looking how relaxed he is) and then he says this method is working and how it's only been 2 months

[Eunös ✈]

You'd hate the ones they got in the UK at the moment.

Personally I think it's more selfish to us Non Smokers who have to see that shit

[AFN: Judge Shred]

This one is pretty boss. Where as most make me, a hardcore non-smoker, want to smoke out of spite. This one looks kind of effective. Though maybe not for our culture.

[Orange]

We have one that airs here, I believe it's a local ad, that seems like it'd be very effective. It's pretty low budget, but it's just a normal dude reading a letter to himself in which he says he has a baby boy on the way, and he wouldn't want his son to be around smoke and start smoking at 12 years old like he did. While I don't smoke, I'd think the more relatable and 'normal' ones would be more effective than the overblown Truth like ads you see all the time.

[mizerable]

I hate the ads because I don't believe in telling other people how to live their lives.

You get smoking removed from restaurants and such? Good. That's a reasonable compromise.

You want people to stop smoking because it's bad for their health? f*** you. Everyone knows the dangers, just like I know the dangers of a lot of the other things I do in my life. You want to prevent children from the dangers of second hand smoke? Propose legislation that would require parents to take precautions when smoking around children, otherwise they're in the same boat as people who get charged with wreckless endangerment of a child.

I say this as someone who has never smoked, wouldn't date a smoker, and hate being around smokers. I'm so tired of how they approach these things. It's like that hole in the throat lady..she has no one to blame but herself.

Edit: And that Thai ad is ridiculous. How about we trade smoking with driving a car. I think if a child came up to me and asked for a light, I'd ask him where he got those cigarettes. I'd then tell him he's too young to be making decisions that will effect him for the rest of his life, which is why there is the age limit. Explaining cancer to an 8 year old isn't going to detour them as much as it's going to detour an 18 year old. If they can't process the consequences, they shouldn't be allowed to do it, especially if it's dangerous.

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Jan 5, 2014 18:21:02 GMT -5 mizerable said:

I hate the ads because I don't believe in telling other people how to live their lives.

You get smoking removed from restaurants and such? Good. That's a reasonable compromise.

You want people to stop smoking because it's bad for their health? f*** you. Everyone knows the dangers, just like I know the dangers of a lot of the other things I do in my life. You want to prevent children from the dangers of second hand smoke? Propose legislation that would require parents to take precautions when smoking around children, otherwise they're in the same boat as people who get charged with wreckless endangerment of a child.

I say this as someone who has never smoked, wouldn't date a smoker, and hate being around smokers. I'm so tired of how they approach these things. It's like that hole in the throat lady..she has no one to blame but herself.

I'd want people to stop smoking because it's bad for my health. I don't care what anyone else wants to do with their own body. That's their own business.

[mizerable]

Jan 5, 2014 18:38:07 GMT -5 @robvancam said:

I'd want people to stop smoking because it's bad for my health. I don't care what anyone else wants to do with their own body. That's their own business.

And many places have made changes to benefit non-smokers. There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is continually harping on the same consequences that everyone has been made aware of for decades. I don't respond well to guilt propaganda, especially if the anti-smoking people got their wish, they'd then turn to advocating against other stuff.

Some people like to smoke. It helps release tension, or it makes them feel good. Taking away something that helps a LOT of people function better in a life they may otherwise struggle with, is complete and total bullshit.

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As someone who quit about 2 years ago and is now on and off with smoking (I get back in to the habit for a few weeks, longest -relapse so far was 2 months) the best way to control cravings I can honestly recommend is one of those electronic cigarrettes. I don't mean get one and use it as much as you'd smoke. I mean get one and use it only during the most drastic cravings, eventually you will find yourself resorting to it less and less.


I probably get to the point where I need it like once a week at the most now, and even then it's like 3 tokes on it.

Of course it's different strokes for different folks. But this is how I quit. Going cold turkey didn't work at all for me. Each time I've relapsed and stopped smoking again It's still pretty bad the first few days but it seems to get easier each time


Also I think banning smoking in Pubs and Clubs is ridiculous, the smoke used to mask up the horrible odours.

[Orange]

Jan 5, 2014 18:21:02 GMT -5 mizerable said:

I hate the ads because I don't believe in telling other people how to live their lives.

You get smoking removed from restaurants and such? Good. That's a reasonable compromise.

You want people to stop smoking because it's bad for their health? f*** you. Everyone knows the dangers, just like I know the dangers of a lot of the other things I do in my life. You want to prevent children from the dangers of second hand smoke? Propose legislation that would require parents to take precautions when smoking around children, otherwise they're in the same boat as people who get charged with wreckless endangerment of a child.

I say this as someone who has never smoked, wouldn't date a smoker, and hate being around smokers. I'm so tired of how they approach these things. It's like that hole in the throat lady..she has no one to blame but herself.

Edit: And that Thai ad is ridiculous. How about we trade smoking with driving a car. I think if a child came up to me and asked for a light, I'd ask him where he got those cigarettes. I'd then tell him he's too young to be making decisions that will effect him for the rest of his life, which is why there is the age limit. Explaining cancer to an 8 year old isn't going to detour them as much as it's going to detour an 18 year old. If they can't process the consequences, they shouldn't be allowed to do it, especially if it's dangerous.

I completely agree with you.

I smoke cigars, and I absolutely understand and accept all the associated risks. However, everything we do in life carries risks, so what's the difference? Hold a cell phone up to your head? You're running the risk of cancer. Eat some bad food? You're running the risk of obesity and its associated risks. Drive a car? You're running the risk of severely, or fatally, altering the lives of others or yourselves.

If people want to smoke then let them smoke. I smoke cigars because I like the taste, and I'm absolutely entitled to do so. If you want to smoke cigarettes then be my guest, because I'm in no position to tell you that you're living your life wrong.

Everybody thinks they can live everybody else's life better than they can. It's ridiculous.

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Jan 5, 2014 18:43:28 GMT -5 mizerable said:

Jan 5, 2014 18:38:07 GMT -5 @robvancam said:

I'd want people to stop smoking because it's bad for my health. I don't care what anyone else wants to do with their own body. That's their own business.

And many places have made changes to benefit non-smokers. There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is continually harping on the same consequences that everyone has been made aware of for decades. I don't respond well to guilt propaganda, especially if the anti-smoking people got their wish, they'd then turn to advocating against other stuff.

Some people like to smoke. It helps release tension, or it makes them feel good. Taking away something that helps a LOT of people function better in a life they may otherwise struggle with, is complete and total bullshit.

That's the thing though. They're not stopping people from smoking. They're just telling people they shouldn't because it's hazardous to their health. There's nothing wrong with that. All people have to do is ignore the commercials. Ignore the posters. It's not that hard.

And believe it or not, there will always be some people out there who don't know how bad smoking is for them. And I guarantee there's a lot of people who quit smoking each year due to those advertisements. They deserve to have that information and deserve to be told how they can get help if they CHOOSE to quit. Taking away that information would be just as bad as banning smoking.

[mizerable]

Jan 5, 2014 18:44:54 GMT -5 @graant said:

Also I think banning smoking in Pubs and Clubs is ridiculous, the smoke used to mask up the horrible odours.

I agree and disagree.

While I can tolerate being around smoke, I hate smelling like, and unless the bar has good ventilation, I'd rather not have to do a load of laundry every time I have to go out.

But, I'll say this...the best steakhouses I have ever been to, are the ones that allowed smoking. I don't know what it is, but the smell of smoke before a good steak REALLY makes the food taste good.

[Orange]

Jan 5, 2014 18:52:32 GMT -5 @robvancam said:

Jan 5, 2014 18:43:28 GMT -5 mizerable said:

And many places have made changes to benefit non-smokers. There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is continually harping on the same consequences that everyone has been made aware of for decades. I don't respond well to guilt propaganda, especially if the anti-smoking people got their wish, they'd then turn to advocating against other stuff.

Some people like to smoke. It helps release tension, or it makes them feel good. Taking away something that helps a LOT of people function better in a life they may otherwise struggle with, is complete and total bullshit.

That's the thing though. They're not stopping people from smoking. They're just telling people they shouldn't because it's hazardous to their health. There's nothing wrong with that. All people have to do is ignore the commercials. Ignore the posters. It's not that hard.

It's easy enough to avoid commercials and posters, but what about the graphic pictures they put on the physical product in other countries?

I'm spoiling these because they're pretty rough,

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}

That's pretty damn hard to avoid, and it's incredibly ridiculous as well. Could you imagine if they put stickers of dead people on the hoods of cars when you went to look at cars, or pictures of diseased obese people on McDonald's wrappers? People would flip out, but somehow everybody's cool with putting stuff like that on cigarette packs.

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To be fair you become desensitised to those images.


they're there but when you see them every few hours they have little to no impact at all.

[mizerable]

Jan 5, 2014 18:52:32 GMT -5 @robvancam said:

That's the thing though. They're not stopping people from smoking. They're just telling people they shouldn't because it's hazardous to their health. There's nothing wrong with that. All people have to do is ignore the commercials. Ignore the posters. It's not that hard.

And believe it or not, there will always be some people out there who don't know how bad smoking is for them. And I guarantee there's a lot of people who quit smoking each year due to those advertisements. They deserve to have that information and deserve to be told how they can get help if they CHOOSE to quit. Taking away that information would be just as bad as banning smoking.

It's not that you can "just ignore it" because all they do is step up their game. It's like an annoying toddler who wants something, and will scream for hours and hours until they get their way. Then you get those "Truth" demonstrations, where people lay down in plazas or disrupt your everyday life. You want to rally? Don't do it where it's going to bother other people. I lived in a college town and they had one of those "lay down" Truth things and they made it as inconvenient for people to walk through there, as possible. f*** those people.

And people don't know how dangerous smoking is? Do they read the f***ing package they bought them in? If they are too naive to trust the cigarettes themselves saying they're dangerous, why should they trust the ad that hates smoking? Fear, hate-mongering and guilt being used as a means to get your point across is never going to win me over, no matter how right they are.

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Jan 5, 2014 18:56:21 GMT -5 Orange said:

Jan 5, 2014 18:52:32 GMT -5 @robvancam said:

That's the thing though. They're not stopping people from smoking. They're just telling people they shouldn't because it's hazardous to their health. There's nothing wrong with that. All people have to do is ignore the commercials. Ignore the posters. It's not that hard.

It's easy enough to avoid commercials and posters, but what about the graphic pictures they put on the physical product in other countries?

I'm spoiling these because they're pretty rough,

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}

That's pretty damn hard to avoid, and it's incredibly ridiculous as well. Could you imagine if they put stickers of dead people on the hoods of cars when you went to look at cars, or pictures of diseased obese people on McDonald's wrappers? People would flip out, but somehow everybody's cool with putting stuff like that on cigarette packs.

It's a little harsh but who cares? Again, they're not stopping anyone from smoking. You'll either see that picture, shrug, and smoke up. Or you'll go "Geez, I don't want that to happen to me!" and you'll quit.

[mizerable]

Jan 5, 2014 18:58:26 GMT -5 @graant said:

To be fair you become desensitised to those images.


they're there but when you see them every few hours they have little to no impact at all.

So what? Does that mean that the Truth people need to up their game and have more extreme advertising? How soon before they start showing commercials where people are getting tumors removed without any censoring of any kind? Will people "wake up" then?

You're always going to have people that are going to defy what the world tells them is right. Whether it's not smoking, not drinking, healthy eating, safe sex, wearing a seatbelt, and so forth. No amount of guilt tripping propaganda is going to change these people.