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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 19:43:52 GMT -5
["You can't control the weather" True but you can know which conditions you shouldn't be driving in. Manufacturing errors would be someone else's fault. I'm only talking about stuff that is only your responsibility. If you smoke and develop lung cancer, it's your own fault. You can't have safety tips for smoking. You can for driving. If you're a safe driver, the likelihood of you being killed on the road is very slim. And if you do, it'll probably be another driver's fault. "essentially everything that humans do does damage in one way or another".....not really. What damage would me eating a carrot do? Here's some safety tips; Smoke filtered cigs. Don't smoke down to the filter. Smoke in an open area. I could probably come up with a dozen or so more, or find some online...but again I'm not a smoker, so I don't care. The problem is, you can have a safety test that people must take in order to buy cigarettes and many of those people will still take liberties, the same way a lot of drivers do. And the dangers of eating a carrot? Well one carrot, much like one cigarette isn't going to hurt you, but an influx could lead to carotene poisoning or other forms of malnutrition. Coming up with health tips for smoking is like coming up with health tips for bathing in nuclear waste. It's just bad for you. Plain and simple. You might be able to make it slightly less bad for you, but it's still bad for you. If I smoke one cigarette a day for the rest of my life, I could still end up with lung cancer caused by my smoking. If I eat a burger everyday but still exercise and have a balanced diet, the likelihood of those burgers coming back to haunt me is virtually nil.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 5, 2014 19:44:20 GMT -5
In moderation, Burger King doesn't carry any risks (well technically they do, like you could accidentally ingest mad cow disease from a bad beef batch or something like that). Smoking isn't a "risk", it WILL do damage. It's not an "if", it's a "how much". No matter how little of it you smoke, it will do damage. And yeah, parents should do that. But a lot of them won't. I don't remember my parents ever telling me about the dangers of smoking. My mother is a smoker. God knows what might have happened if I hadn't been smartened up elsewhere. I'm sorry...but that's such horseshit. Smoking in moderation does NOT shorten your life. My grandfather smoked one or two cigs everyday and lived to be 85. What did he die of? Liver failure due to drinking, he did LESS of. Saying you're going to get lung cancer or do significant damage no matter what with moderation is completely and totally invalid.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 5, 2014 19:47:09 GMT -5
As I said, it's not as black and white as saying "smoking = fast food = driving". It's not the same. Regardless, I do think some of the anti-smoking measures are harsh. Again though, no one is stopping you. No one is stopping me. If I want a pack of cigarettes, I can go to a shop and buy some. I just don't get why people get so worked up about stuff like this. Yet, smoking NO MATTER HOW LITTLE does significant damage. You're the one getting worked up by being so shortsighted by saying anything with the exception of smoking, is okay in moderation. It is the same. Abuse of any substance causes damages. Moderation doesn't always.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 19:49:22 GMT -5
In moderation, Burger King doesn't carry any risks (well technically they do, like you could accidentally ingest mad cow disease from a bad beef batch or something like that). Smoking isn't a "risk", it WILL do damage. It's not an "if", it's a "how much". No matter how little of it you smoke, it will do damage. And yeah, parents should do that. But a lot of them won't. I don't remember my parents ever telling me about the dangers of smoking. My mother is a smoker. God knows what might have happened if I hadn't been smartened up elsewhere. I'm sorry...but that's such horseshit. Smoking in moderation does NOT shorten your life. My grandfather smoked one or two cigs everyday and lived to be 85. What did he die of? Liver failure due to drinking, he did LESS of. Saying you're going to get lung cancer or do significant damage no matter what with moderation is completely and totally invalid. Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realise your grandfather was the only person on this planet to ever matter. ON AVERAGE, smoking cigarettes every day will shorten your life expectancy. That's fact. Where did I ever say you would get lung cancer or suffer significant damage no matter how much you smoked? I never did. I said you're more likely. Of course there are smokers who lived until 100 and there's athletes who dropped dead at 25.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 19:52:56 GMT -5
I remember in the local news there was a old lady who turned 100 who smoked every day for 80 years. Anyways the most effective anti smoking ads are the ones that talk about how much money they cost and how much you can save
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 19:53:31 GMT -5
As I said, it's not as black and white as saying "smoking = fast food = driving". It's not the same. Regardless, I do think some of the anti-smoking measures are harsh. Again though, no one is stopping you. No one is stopping me. If I want a pack of cigarettes, I can go to a shop and buy some. I just don't get why people get so worked up about stuff like this. Yet, smoking NO MATTER HOW LITTLE does significant damage. You're the one getting worked up by being so shortsighted by saying anything with the exception of smoking, is okay in moderation. It is the same. Abuse of any substance causes damages. Moderation doesn't always. Where did I said significant damage? I said damage. That is fact. If you smoke a cigarette, bad chemicals will enter your body and tar will appear on your lungs. That is bad. That would classify as damage. I really wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I ever say "everything except for smoking is okay in moderation"? I said eating fast food and driving. And that is true. I've already explained this several times now, go back and read my earlier posts if you really want to read it again. And if you don't think smoking, even in moderation, will cause some kind of damage to your health....well then you sir, no absolutely nothing about the human body.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 5, 2014 19:54:49 GMT -5
Coming up with health tips for smoking is like coming up with health tips for bathing in nuclear waste. It's just bad for you. Plain and simple. You might be able to make it slightly less bad for you, but it's still bad for you. If I smoke one cigarette a day for the rest of my life, I could still end up with lung cancer caused by my smoking. If I eat a burger everyday but still exercise and have a balanced diet, the likelihood of those burgers coming back to haunt me is virtually nil. What a weird analogy. Yeah, let's use the most extreme alternatives to push our point; Eating fatty foods is like pouring super glue into your heart. Drinking is like pouring paint thinner in your liver. Driving without a seat belt is bungee jumping without a a cord. IT'S ALL BAD FOR YOU. See, you made the comment there "I *could* get lung cancer. You also, might not. Right now, with the diet you've led, you could still develop heart disease. And no, exercise does not stop your arteries from hardening if you have a burger everyday...so keep chowing down. There's many factors in what leads to your ultimate demise, but living in moderation is certainly going to be better, as opposed to living recklessly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 19:59:30 GMT -5
Coming up with health tips for smoking is like coming up with health tips for bathing in nuclear waste. It's just bad for you. Plain and simple. You might be able to make it slightly less bad for you, but it's still bad for you. If I smoke one cigarette a day for the rest of my life, I could still end up with lung cancer caused by my smoking. If I eat a burger everyday but still exercise and have a balanced diet, the likelihood of those burgers coming back to haunt me is virtually nil. What a weird analogy. Yeah, let's use the most extreme alternatives to push our point; Eating fatty foods is like pouring super glue into your heart. Drinking is like pouring paint thinner in your liver. Driving without a seat belt is bungee jumping without a a cord. IT'S ALL BAD FOR YOU. See, you made the comment there "I *could* get lung cancer. You also, might not. Right now, with the diet you've led, you could still develop heart disease. And no, exercise does not stop your arteries from hardening if you have a burger everyday...so keep chowing down. There's many factors in what leads to your ultimate demise, but living in moderation is certainly going to be better, as opposed to living recklessly. Obviously. The part you're ignoring is that smoking in moderation will still cause damage. "And no, exercise does not stop your arteries from hardening if you have a burger everyday...so keep chowing down." Um....I don't know what you think is in a burger but....you do know that fat is good for you in moderation? And that burgers can also be good for you right? You can't say the same thing about smoking cigarettes.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 5, 2014 20:00:54 GMT -5
Where did I said significant damage? I said damage. That is fact. If you smoke a cigarette, bad chemicals will enter your body and tar will appear on your lungs. That is bad. That would classify as damage. I really wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I ever say "everything except for smoking is okay in moderation"? I said eating fast food and driving. And that is true. I've already explained this several times now, go back and read my earlier posts if you really want to read it again. And if you don't think smoking, even in moderation, will cause some kind of damage to your health....well then you sir, no absolutely nothing about the human body. You're doing it to yourself with your double standards of how to live. You're hardheaded approach to seeing that diet can also be just as bad for you as smoking is, is quite baffling. There's absolutely zero credence in that statement because statistically, you're doing significant damage if you're eating a burger every day or you're smoking at the same rate. Your body DOES NOT heal itself. If you eat fatty foods at the same rate that you smoke at, you're doing just as much damage. Getting heart plaque is incredibly dangerous, and harder to deal with than lung cancer. And I think I know more about the human body than you do, if you think you can fight fatty foods with exercise alone.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 5, 2014 20:04:41 GMT -5
Obviously. The part you're ignoring is that smoking in moderation will still cause damage. "And no, exercise does not stop your arteries from hardening if you have a burger everyday...so keep chowing down." Um....I don't know what you think is in a burger but....you do know that fat is good for you in moderation? And that burgers can also be good for you right? You can't say the same thing about smoking cigarettes. You JUST said that eating burgers everyday with exercise causes your livelihood to not be effected. That statement was completely ignorant. And if you're going to post condescending gifs, when you're snapping at me and other people for being critical of something, when you're the one going to great lengths to disagree, then this conversation is over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 20:07:39 GMT -5
Haha, this is laughable. It's like you're arguing with a third person here. You're completely ignoring the points I'm making, making up things that I supposedly said, and then talking about those.
I NEVER said diet can't be just as bad for you as smoking. I NEVER said you can fight fatty foods with exercise alone. Those are things you've made up in your own head.
I can burn off the calories and fat you get with a single burger. You can't magically get rid of the tar and the chemicals you get with cigarette, even if it is only one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 20:10:33 GMT -5
Obviously. The part you're ignoring is that smoking in moderation will still cause damage. "And no, exercise does not stop your arteries from hardening if you have a burger everyday...so keep chowing down." Um....I don't know what you think is in a burger but....you do know that fat is good for you in moderation? And that burgers can also be good for you right? You can't say the same thing about smoking cigarettes. You JUST said that eating burgers everyday with exercise causes your livelihood to not be effected. That statement was completely ignorant. And if you're going to post condescending gifs, when you're snapping at me and other people for being critical of something, when you're the one going to great lengths to disagree, then this conversation is over. No, I didn't. Please, I'm begging ya, read my posts properly. I said eating A burger (key word being A) everyday would be fine as long as you also burnt it off with exercise and you were including said burger as part of a well balanced diet. You're the one who said what I said earlier was horseshit. Maybe you should consider how you speak to other people, pal.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 5, 2014 20:14:31 GMT -5
Haha, this is laughable. It's like you're arguing with a third person here. You're completely ignoring the points I'm making, making up things that I supposedly said, and then talking about those. I NEVER said diet can't be just as bad for you as smoking. I NEVER said you can fight fatty foods with exercise alone. Those are things you've made up in your own head. I can burn off the calories and fat you get with a single burger. You can't magically get rid of the tar and the chemicals you get with cigarette, even if it is only one. [If I eat a burger everyday but still exercise and have a balanced diet, the likelihood of those burgers coming back to haunt me is virtually nil. You're not making many points. You're jumping to extremes to get your "points" across. Virtually nil? Sorry, but that's incorrect. Even a well balanced diet isn't going to flush your heart if you're eating a 300 calorie burger every day. And that's on the very safe side, because most burger places exceed that limit. You keep mentioning calories and fat. Dude...your cholesterol is still going to f*** you up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 20:18:43 GMT -5
Haha, this is laughable. It's like you're arguing with a third person here. You're completely ignoring the points I'm making, making up things that I supposedly said, and then talking about those. I NEVER said diet can't be just as bad for you as smoking. I NEVER said you can fight fatty foods with exercise alone. Those are things you've made up in your own head. I can burn off the calories and fat you get with a single burger. You can't magically get rid of the tar and the chemicals you get with cigarette, even if it is only one. [If I eat a burger everyday but still exercise and have a balanced diet, the likelihood of those burgers coming back to haunt me is virtually nil. You're not making many points. You're jumping to extremes to get your "points" across. Virtually nil? Sorry, but that's incorrect. Even a well balanced diet isn't going to flush your heart if you're eating a 300 calorie burger every day. And that's on the very safe side, because most burger places exceed that limit. You keep mentioning calories and fat. Dude...your cholesterol is still going to f*** you up. Don't forget on how much sugars and salt are in the burgers. The sodium and sugar intakes of a Big Mac are way above then the daily intake you should take
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 20:19:06 GMT -5
Haha, this is laughable. It's like you're arguing with a third person here. You're completely ignoring the points I'm making, making up things that I supposedly said, and then talking about those. I NEVER said diet can't be just as bad for you as smoking. I NEVER said you can fight fatty foods with exercise alone. Those are things you've made up in your own head. I can burn off the calories and fat you get with a single burger. You can't magically get rid of the tar and the chemicals you get with cigarette, even if it is only one. [If I eat a burger everyday but still exercise and have a balanced diet, the likelihood of those burgers coming back to haunt me is virtually nil. You're not making many points. You're jumping to extremes to get your "points" across. Virtually nil? Sorry, but that's incorrect. Even a well balanced diet isn't going to flush your heart if you're eating a 300 calorie burger every day. And that's on the very safe side, because most burger places exceed that limit. You keep mentioning calories and fat. Dude...your cholesterol is still going to f*** you up. "Eating a healthy diet and regular exercise can help lower the level of cholesterol in your blood. Adopting healthy habits, such as eating a healthy balanced diet and exercising, will also help prevent your cholesterol levels from becoming high in the first place." - NHS website So....yes, yes it will. But I'm sure you're right and the National Health Service is wrong.....
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Post by mizerable on Jan 5, 2014 20:21:33 GMT -5
"Eating a healthy diet and regular exercise can help lower the level of cholesterol in your blood. Adopting healthy habits, such as eating a healthy balanced diet and exercising, will also help prevent your cholesterol levels from becoming high in the first place." - NHS website So....yes, yes it will. But I'm sure you're right and the National Health Service is wrong..... Hmm...where's the part about eating a burger every single day? Surely, that's acceptable and completely healthy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 20:23:29 GMT -5
Also the healthy fats you are confusing with are Omega Fats. There is no way 11G of Saturated Fat is healthy with 34G of fat in total. But shit this thread has been derailed. All I wanted to talk about is how anti smoking ads make me crave smokes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 20:25:33 GMT -5
"Eating a healthy diet and regular exercise can help lower the level of cholesterol in your blood. Adopting healthy habits, such as eating a healthy balanced diet and exercising, will also help prevent your cholesterol levels from becoming high in the first place." - NHS website So....yes, yes it will. But I'm sure you're right and the National Health Service is wrong..... Hmm...where's the part about eating a burger every single day? Surely, that's acceptable and completely healthy. That's part of a well balanced diet. And I'm not talking a Big Mac or any kind of multi-patty burger, I'm talking a regular hamburger. That may have been lost in translation because I know in America you call the whole thing the "burger" and the meat part is a "patty". I call both "burger".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 20:28:06 GMT -5
Also the healthy fats you are confusing with are Omega Fats. There is no way 11G of Saturated Fat is healthy with 34G of fat in total. But shit this thread has been derailed. All I wanted to talk about is how anti smoking ads make me crave smokes. Okay, fair enough. But even with a burger containing bad fats, it's still very manageable with exercise and diet.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 5, 2014 20:45:52 GMT -5
And that's enough of that.
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