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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 6, 2014 13:00:03 GMT -5
Besides "to be good" or "to not suck", because that doesn't tell anyone anything.
As far as I can tell, there's no general consensus as far as what direction writers/artists/directors/studio execs should go. One side seems to prefer grimmer or more cynical and thought provoking approaches, others seem to lean towards more upbeat stuff or something closer to the silver age. Is there anything comic fans can agree on here? Because comic book/superhero fandom may be the one fandom that eclipses wrestling as far as the venom heaped on creators if something's not to their liking.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 6, 2014 13:05:13 GMT -5
I just want it to be good and as faithful to the characters as possible. The tone matters little as it fits the first two requirements.
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Post by The Tank on Jan 6, 2014 13:06:02 GMT -5
I just want them to be authentic to the source material.
None of this Iron Man 3 crap where his most classic villain becomes just another white dude in a suit that steals his toys.
Same thing as video game adaptations, and book adaptations, and adaptations of anything else, for that matter.
Don't just buy the rights to a name then make up your own story using already named characters that don't resemble the original in the slightest.
I want an "adaptation" to be an adaptation!
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 6, 2014 13:17:24 GMT -5
I just don't want Cyclops to be a pussy with no screen time.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 6, 2014 13:19:58 GMT -5
Accuracy to the source material while still telling its own story. I don't want a page-for-page recreation of a comic book storyline on the big screen, but I also don't want the filmmakers to take so many liberties with the characters that they become unrecognizable. I think this is why I love the Nolan Batman movies. In all three of his movies, the characters keep true to how they would be in the comics post-Silver Age even while they generally did their own things and Nolan told his own stories. Sure, Bane wasn't a roided up freak in a luchadore mask, but that's a superficial element of his character. He was a calculating, incredibly intelligent and strong nemesis to Batman who "broke the Bat." I think they got the most important parts of his character right while previous non-comic versions of him only concentrated on the superficial elements. Even BTAS focused too much on the venom for my liking. And yes, I hate DCnU Bane in case you were wondering.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 6, 2014 13:21:21 GMT -5
Accuracy to the source material while still telling its own story. I don't want a page-for-page recreation of a comic book storyline on the big screen, but I also don't want the filmmakers to take so many liberties with the characters that they become unrecognizable. I think this is why I love the Nolan Batman movies. In all three of his movies, the characters keep true to how they would be in the comics post-Silver Age even while they generally did their own things and Nolan told his own stories. Sure, Bane wasn't a roided up freak in a luchadore mask, but that's a superficial element of his character. He was a calculating, incredibly intelligent and strong nemesis to Batman who "broke the Bat." I think they got the most important parts of his character right while previous non-comic versions of him only concentrated on the superficial elements. Even BTAS focused too much on the venom for my liking. And yes, I hate DCnU Bane in case you were wondering. This. So much this!
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 6, 2014 13:26:41 GMT -5
Pretty much what everyone else is saying, staying true to the source material.
Although I did enjoy the Avengers, but that movie was gonna be awesome no matter what.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 6, 2014 13:35:54 GMT -5
Besides "to be good" or "to not suck", because that doesn't tell anyone anything. But that's really the only criteria that matters. I like both dark and goofy superhero stories as long as they're good.
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Post by shaker on Jan 6, 2014 13:57:19 GMT -5
Keep true to the characters. You can honestly do a goofy Batman movie (Batman '66) as long as the characters aren't wildly out of whack with how they've been portrayed. These characters have been around for so long, some of them for almost 80 years at this point. They're open to a LOT of interpretations, and failure happens when you try and bend them too much.
And #2 - make sure the story also fits the character.
Jonah Hex failed because it had no idea what kind of movie it wanted to be. Green Lantern failed for the same reason. Batman and Robin failed because it bent the characters way too much, with Bat Nipples and Bat Credit Cards trying to exist in one movie. Batman can be campy, he can be serious, he can be sexy - but he can't be all 3 at once like they tried in that movie.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jan 6, 2014 13:57:56 GMT -5
I want those who make them to know the tone of the superhero comic they are trying to capture on screen and not be influenced by what other films are doing. Fantastic Four = Exploration/Positive/Family - Batman=Brooding/Shadows/Justice/Criminology
Super-Villains should be more chewing the scenery and vibrant, less the need for a personal back-story so we can relate to them.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 6, 2014 14:06:06 GMT -5
I want a realistic, down-to-earth movie that's completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots. Also, you should win things by watching.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 6, 2014 14:09:34 GMT -5
Jonah Hex failed because it had no idea what kind of movie it wanted to be. Green Lantern failed for the same reason. Batman and I disagree. Green Lantern failed because they tried to push 3 or 4 movies into 1.
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Post by shaker on Jan 6, 2014 14:16:44 GMT -5
Jonah Hex failed because it had no idea what kind of movie it wanted to be. Green Lantern failed for the same reason. Batman and I disagree. Green Lantern failed because they tried to push 3 or 4 movies into 1. That's what I mean, though. There was the whole "rookie cop movie" with learning on Oa, the "special fx space movie" with Parallax, and the "Earthbound superhero in training" with Hector Hammond. The movie never found a focus because Green Lantern was portrayed as a goofy idiot, a motivated rookie, and this super badass leading man all at different times through the movie without any kind of character growth to explain it. Jonah Hex was the same thing (in fact I think it really was about 3 failed movie scripts jammed into one).
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 6, 2014 14:25:40 GMT -5
I disagree. Green Lantern failed because they tried to push 3 or 4 movies into 1. That's what I mean, though. There was the whole "rookie cop movie" with learning on Oa, the "special fx space movie" with Parallax, and the "Earthbound superhero in training" with Hector Hammond. The movie never found a focus because Green Lantern was portrayed as a goofy idiot, a motivated rookie, and this super badass leading man all at different times through the movie without any kind of character growth to explain it. Jonah Hex was the same thing (in fact I think it really was about 3 failed movie scripts jammed into one). Jonah Hex was Wild Wild West minus the giant mechanical spider but replaced with supernatural elements.
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Post by Legion on Jan 6, 2014 14:30:02 GMT -5
Accuracy to the source material while still telling its own story. I don't want a page-for-page recreation of a comic book storyline on the big screen, but I also don't want the filmmakers to take so many liberties with the characters that they become unrecognizable. I think this is why I love the Nolan Batman movies. In all three of his movies, the characters keep true to how they would be in the comics post-Silver Age even while they generally did their own things and Nolan told his own stories. Sure, Bane wasn't a roided up freak in a luchadore mask, but that's a superficial element of his character. He was a calculating, incredibly intelligent and strong nemesis to Batman who "broke the Bat." I think they got the most important parts of his character right while previous non-comic versions of him only concentrated on the superficial elements. Even BTAS focused too much on the venom for my liking. And yes, I hate DCnU Bane in case you were wondering. This. So much this! It's funny how you two credit the Nolan movies for doing things where I'd discredit them for doing the exact opposite in my view. This is why fandoms will never be happy, because we aren't a hive mind. We all want different things and even when we agree we want the same thing we all want it done in different ways with differing mileage when it comes to what changes and what stays the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 14:34:40 GMT -5
Comic fans want depth and accuracy in regards to the source material.
Johny Cinema wants badass fight scenes and cgi explosions.
Middlegrounders want a comic movie to be enough of a comic movie to register as a comic movie, but will overlook the liberties that get taken so long as the thing moves along.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 6, 2014 15:20:44 GMT -5
A competently made movie that gets the essence of the character. I don't demand a perfect retelling, and I'm ok with some changes to a character, but you should try to keep them right for the most part (f.ex, I couldn't give a toss about getting the origin story exact, but they should have similar personalities).
Honestly, I think more of them that fail do so because the stories and characters aren't good, more then them not being enough like the comics.
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Post by Bad Moon on Jan 6, 2014 17:58:53 GMT -5
The problem with superhero adaptations is, ideally an adaptation should be true to the spirit of the source material, but the kinds of superheroes that do get adaptated have all been around for decades so there is no definitive version to base a movie around on. Personally I think the formula everyone uses now (cherry pick from the most popular stories, slap them together and hope they still work in pieces) is fine, if the script and direction are strong enough to carry it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 6, 2014 18:10:29 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious most fans want accuracy in their adaptions. I can understand that, and that's been made clear numerous times over.
But what about superhero concepts in general? That's what I'm especially curious about.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 6, 2014 18:40:54 GMT -5
I want them to be true to the characters, but also to have new, interesting stories.
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