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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 7, 2014 19:14:48 GMT -5
I'm so sick of posters assigning character and storylines to things that aren't presented. Ambrose is a psychopath? When? Other than gang up on someone, which countless "non-psychopathic" characters have done, what psychotic things has he done? Name one. Well, for one thing he smiles while he's uncounscous and someone puts a snake on his face. That was only corpsing. Something they fired London for.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 7, 2014 19:15:36 GMT -5
I'm so sick of posters assigning character and storylines to things that aren't presented. Ambrose is a psychopath? When? Other than gang up on someone, which countless "non-psychopathic" characters have done, what psychotic things has he done? Name one. Well, for one thing he smiles while he's uncounscous and someone puts a snake on his face. Also the fact that he mutters to himself more times than Harper, and after costing Rollins the match instead of consoling him sulked in the corner, and the random dancing in matches, and the fact that he treats his U.S. title like its a metaphorical wang
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 7, 2014 19:17:12 GMT -5
Well, for one thing he smiles while he's uncounscous and someone puts a snake on his face. Also the fact that he mutters to himself more times than Harper, and after costing Rollins the match instead of consoling him sulked in the corner, and the random dancing in matches, and the fact that he treats his U.S. title like its a metaphorical wang Eccentricities does not equal psychopath.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 7, 2014 19:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 19:23:01 GMT -5
Sierra November Alpha November Echo, SNAKE. That's Snane
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Post by Raskovnik on Jan 7, 2014 19:23:35 GMT -5
If it was anyone else tons of people would be ripping on him for corpsing.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 7, 2014 19:25:03 GMT -5
If it was John Cena, everybody would be shoving lawnmowers up their asses while accepting Vern from Hey Vern It's Ernest as their sexual overlord
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 7, 2014 19:25:11 GMT -5
If it was anyone else tons of people would be ripping on him for corpsing. Not CM Punk or Daniel Bryan mirite? jusss kiddin.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 7, 2014 19:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 19:27:22 GMT -5
That argument comes up in literally every thread like this.
"If this were anyone else, people would've done this."
Well, yes. I mean, that's how people are. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the guy myself, but I'm not gonna pretend that no one else should like him.
If it were Del Rio who did it, yes. Most people around here would've gotten on him for corpsing. Of course people are gonna be bias to their favorites. Why wouldn't they be?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 19:28:45 GMT -5
So, basically you guys have nothing. I remember when characters would use actions to tell a story. HBK turns heel by kicking Janetty through a window, Piper kicks Cindy Lauper in the ribs, Kane rips off a steel cage door, Bossman fed Al Snow his dog, etc. Or take other crazy characters. George Steele would eat turnbuckles, Mankind would tear his hair out, Boogeyman would eat worms, whatever. Wrestling is a visual medium and it needs actions to get the characters and stories over. The commentators just telling us this guy is crazy or that guys hates that guy, with no storyline reasons is nothing. It's lazy and why there's no heat. Even though I don't like the angle, Bryan joining the Wyatts got heat because it was something that we saw happen. Ambrose has been around for over a year. If they want him to be a psycho, then they need to have him do something psychotic. Until then, he's just a guy doing a Ledger Joker impression. You do realize that Joker was insane right? So if you can clearly draw lines comparing the two then he must be insane. Also I love how you say "give me some examples" and then the next few posts are great examples and then your first line just ignores it entirely. Seriously mate you must be trolling at this point or have issues reading come on now you cant just post asking for feedback and then just ignore it. Look at his promos in developmental and look at how he was constantly freaking out on Monday. How is this anything other than a psychopath? You can say he doesn't play a good psychopath or that WWE should make it more obvious (which seems to be the point you're trying to make) but just saying there's nothing shows that you must pay little attention to the product that WWE puts on. If you want proof he's a psychopath go back and watch Raw. Watch him during Punk's match against Reigns and tell me that isn't someone off his rocker. If you truly want proof it is staring you in the face all you have to do is pay attention. Just because they don't slap you in the face with the character anymore doesn't mean there isn't one.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 7, 2014 19:28:51 GMT -5
Also the fact that he mutters to himself more times than Harper, and after costing Rollins the match instead of consoling him sulked in the corner, and the random dancing in matches, and the fact that he treats his U.S. title like its a metaphorical wang Eccentricities does not equal psychopath. The DSM tends to disagree, they consider psychopathy under Antisocial personality disorder It is characterized by at least 3 of the following: Callous unconcern for the feelings of others; Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations; Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them; The SHIELD hinting as Dissension Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence; He does snap very easily Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment; Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society. Has blamed Punk for everything Combine that with the types and Ambrose is a psycho
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 7, 2014 19:33:45 GMT -5
Sierra November Alpha November Echo, SNAKE. That's Snane Aw crap, you're right. Substitute Kilo for the second November.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 7, 2014 19:42:12 GMT -5
Eccentricities does not equal psychopath. The DSM tends to disagree, they consider psychopathy under Antisocial personality disorder It is characterized by at least 3 of the following: Callous unconcern for the feelings of others; Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations; Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them; The SHIELD hinting as Dissension Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence; He does snap very easily Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment; Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society. Has blamed Punk for everything Combine that with the types and Ambrose is a psycho I suddenly want to do a secondary thesis on the behavioral analysis of wrestling characters. I'm not kidding. I honestly think that if I was designing a wrestling character, I would look into the DSM for mannerisms and quirks.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 7, 2014 19:52:10 GMT -5
So, basically you guys have nothing. I remember when characters would use actions to tell a story. HBK turns heel by kicking Janetty through a window, Piper kicks Cindy Lauper in the ribs, Kane rips off a steel cage door, Bossman fed Al Snow his dog, etc. Or take other crazy characters. George Steele would eat turnbuckles, Mankind would tear his hair out, Boogeyman would eat worms, whatever. Wrestling is a visual medium and it needs actions to get the characters and stories over. The commentators just telling us this guy is crazy or that guys hates that guy, with no storyline reasons is nothing. It's lazy and why there's no heat. Even though I don't like the angle, Bryan joining the Wyatts got heat because it was something that we saw happen. Ambrose has been around for over a year. If they want him to be a psycho, then they need to have him do something psychotic. Until then, he's just a guy doing a Ledger Joker impression. You do realize that Joker was insane right? So if you can clearly draw lines comparing the two then he must be insane. Also I love how you say "give me some examples" and then the next few posts are great examples and then your first line just ignores it entirely. Seriously mate you must be trolling at this point or have issues reading come on now you cant just post asking for feedback and then just ignore it. Look at his promos in developmental and look at how he was constantly freaking out on Monday. How is this anything other than a psychopath? You can say he doesn't play a good psychopath or that WWE should make it more obvious (which seems to be the point you're trying to make) but just saying there's nothing shows that you must pay little attention to the product that WWE puts on. If you want proof he's a psychopath go back and watch Raw. Watch him during Punk's match against Reigns and tell me that isn't someone off his rocker. If you truly want proof it is staring you in the face all you have to do is pay attention. Just because they don't slap you in the face with the character anymore doesn't mean there isn't one. He's doing a Joker impression. The Joker does crazy stuff. Dean has not. You're using very strange logic. I didn't ignore their examples. I said they were no good since they weren't able to come up with something crazy that Dean has done. Oh, he was crazy in the indies or Cole told us he was doesn't cut it. I gave reasons why that doesn't answer my question which you are ignoring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 20:06:31 GMT -5
You do realize that Joker was insane right? So if you can clearly draw lines comparing the two then he must be insane. Also I love how you say "give me some examples" and then the next few posts are great examples and then your first line just ignores it entirely. Seriously mate you must be trolling at this point or have issues reading come on now you cant just post asking for feedback and then just ignore it. Look at his promos in developmental and look at how he was constantly freaking out on Monday. How is this anything other than a psychopath? You can say he doesn't play a good psychopath or that WWE should make it more obvious (which seems to be the point you're trying to make) but just saying there's nothing shows that you must pay little attention to the product that WWE puts on. If you want proof he's a psychopath go back and watch Raw. Watch him during Punk's match against Reigns and tell me that isn't someone off his rocker. If you truly want proof it is staring you in the face all you have to do is pay attention. Just because they don't slap you in the face with the character anymore doesn't mean there isn't one. He's doing a Joker impression. The Joker does crazy stuff. Dean has not. You're using very strange logic. I didn't ignore their examples. I said they were no good since they weren't able to come up with something crazy that Dean has done. Oh, he was crazy in the indies or Cole told us he was doesn't cut it. I gave reasons why that doesn't answer my question which you are ignoring. Point out what I ignored and I'll answer it. In the meantime please have a look at that Punk/Reigns matchup and tell me what more Dean could do to be a psychopath. Ironic that you would be talking about ignoring what someone is saying yet completely ignored that comment of mine that you quoted. Ambrose was at his most psychotic this week. Any other week and you would have some ground to stand on but this week he was off his rocker completely. His character to begin with wasn't showing any signs of being truly insane he was just a cocky young guy but now that the cracks are beginning to show he's clearly losing it. Watch his stuff on Raw I truly don't understand how you can't see he's losing it. Honestly Dean is the one of the Shield with the clearest character out of the group. Why do you single him out? As I said before it's fine to say that he's not playing a good psychopath or that WWE should acknowledge it more but to say that he's not playing a psychopath at all is clearly incorrect. Someone also posted the definition of psychopath which Dean clearly falls under. You don't have much ground to walk on at this point. It's like saying Big E isn't a power lifter because they haven't showed him onscreen lifting big weights. That was his past that WWE acknowledged and it's clear just looking at the guy that he was a power lifter.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 7, 2014 20:10:56 GMT -5
Honestly Dean is the one of the Shield with the clearest character out of the group. Why do you single him out? As I said before it's fine to say that he's not playing a good psychopath or that WWE should acknowledge it more but to say that he's not playing a psychopath at all is clearly incorrect. Someone also posted the definition of psychopath which Dean clearly falls under. You don't have much ground to walk on at this point. Name one crazy ACTION he has performed. Or just keep ignoring the question I'm trying to have answered. I really don't care anymore at this point.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 7, 2014 20:12:57 GMT -5
He wasn't smiling. He had a tooth knocked out and a hole above his lip and was simply feeling it with his tongue.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 7, 2014 20:14:49 GMT -5
Can we please simmer down here? What the hell are we even arguing about?
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 7, 2014 20:16:56 GMT -5
Honestly Dean is the one of the Shield with the clearest character out of the group. Why do you single him out? As I said before it's fine to say that he's not playing a good psychopath or that WWE should acknowledge it more but to say that he's not playing a psychopath at all is clearly incorrect. Someone also posted the definition of psychopath which Dean clearly falls under. You don't have much ground to walk on at this point. Name one crazy ACTION he has performed. Or just keep ignoring the question I'm trying to have answered. I really don't care anymore at this point. Under the definition of what a psychopath is, Dean's frequent interference in Rollins and Reigns tag matches when they are losing is because of his frustration, again based on the definition his only alliance has been with the SHIELD he didn't want to work with the Wyatts, and more recently under that same definition is blaming Punk for the problems in the SHIELD
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