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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 4:27:18 GMT -5
and they ask why Vince doesn't want to build stars. Warrior, Austin, Lesnar and Punk. all took ball and went home. Rock went to movies, Hogan went to WCW. Michaels went to early retirement. i hope it's not true though. Punk is a big part of WWE. maybe he's been half-assing for a while, but he's still a ridiculous talent. The fact that it keeps happening says more about Vince than it does about any of them
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Post by mizerable on Jan 29, 2014 4:27:44 GMT -5
and they ask why Vince doesn't want to build stars. Warrior, Austin, Lesnar and Punk. all took ball and went home. Rock went to movies, Hogan went to WCW. Michaels went to early retirement. i hope it's not true though. Punk is a big part of WWE. maybe he's been half-assing for a while, but he's still a ridiculous talent. Yeah, Shawn's a real egomaniac for injuring his back like that. Or Warrior is stupid for calling McMahon out on lying about his payday or use him and Davey Boy as scapegoats during the Congressional hearings. Or Lesnar for wanting time off to spend with his daughter and to try at a dream. Or Austin for thinking it was f***ing stupid to waste a PPV match on free TV and to downsize the role of the guy who helped revolutionize the entire industry. Yeah...poor Vince McMahon and his millions of dollars. The problem is he doesn't have enough lap dogs already. If no one stands up to him, then he can continue to do things his way!
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Post by The IWC WORLD Champion on Jan 29, 2014 4:28:12 GMT -5
The could always do what they did when Diesel and Razor Ramon left for WCW.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 29, 2014 4:29:27 GMT -5
The could always do what they did when Diesel and Razor Ramon left for WCW. Who's gonna play Fake CM Punk?
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Post by slappy on Jan 29, 2014 4:29:57 GMT -5
The could always do what they did when Diesel and Razor Ramon left for WCW. Who's gonna play Fake CM Punk? Corey Graves.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 29, 2014 4:30:52 GMT -5
Compared to Austin, the difference is that WWE could (and always would) be able to make money with Stone Cold and vice versa. It's mutually beneficial for Austin and WWE to be on good terms. It's not the same way with punk. WWE don't need Punk to make money - aside from 1 month in 2011, he's never drawn enough to make a noticeable impact should he be gone for good. What was beneficial to Austin walking out (I was wrong about the year, it was 2002)?? How can Austin make money if he's not even with the company and at the time, they weren't on good terms which is why Vince had arguably the greatest promo guy lay into Austin? You were correct about drawing power because they probably wouldn't give a damn if Yoshi Tatsu quit but they won't blacklist CM Punk forever if at all. Considering Punk got this contract based off getting them the mainstream publicity they so adore and basically had them eating out of his hands. I'll assume main eventing WrestleMania was part of that contract before it expired and WWE considers jobbing for Taker that main event, whereas Punk, rightly, wouldn't.....he's gone. I fully support him walking.
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Post by Boozeman on Jan 29, 2014 4:33:17 GMT -5
Comparing the Jarrett and this situation to Benoit?? That's not even remotely close. Compared to Austin in 2003 when he left is more likely. I doubt we'll get Vince to publicly talk down to him but still. I'm not trying to say it's okay for what he did but I see his frustration and to be honest, I'm a little surprised it's taken him this long to quit. Compared to Austin, the difference is that WWE could (and always would) be able to make money with Stone Cold and vice versa. It's mutually beneficial for Austin and WWE to be on good terms. It's not the same way with punk. WWE don't need Punk to make money - aside from 1 month in 2011, he's never drawn enough to make a noticeable impact should he be gone for good. He's their second biggest merchandise seller behind Cena and third place isn't even close.
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Post by nm on Jan 29, 2014 4:34:55 GMT -5
damn up to 11 pages already!
if we were still on the old proboards system i'd predict 5 topics on this subject.
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 29, 2014 4:39:02 GMT -5
What was beneficial to Austin walking out (I was wrong about the year, it was 2002)?? How can Austin make money if he's not even with the company and at the time, they weren't on good terms which is why Vince had arguably the greatest promo guy lay into Austin? You were correct about drawing power because they probably wouldn't give a damn if Yoshi Tatsu quit but they won't blacklist CM Punk forever if at all. Considering Punk got this contract based off getting them the mainstream publicity they so adore and basically had them eating out of his hands. I'll assume main eventing WrestleMania was part of that contract before it expired and WWE considers jobbing for Taker that main event, whereas Punk, rightly, wouldn't.....he's gone. I fully support him walking. I support the reasoning but not just up and leaving like this. I supported Austin's reasoning too but disagreed with how it was handled. I admit that I don't know a better way of expressing anger so much to make upper management take notice, but Punk has a whole lot of fans that want to see him. Now they are left in the dark
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 4:41:37 GMT -5
Wrestling endangers your life every time you do it. We forget that a lot, but one wrong fall can change your quality of life forever. I don't care what Punk's reasons are. If he doesn't want to do that anymore, it's not worth the risk. I said the exact same thing when GSP retired.
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Post by Totorob101 on Jan 29, 2014 4:44:28 GMT -5
Honestly, i think he should leave the company, hes done pretty much everything he needs to do, hes probably saved a fortune and, dare i say it, would probably feel happier working somewhere else where talent gets treated properly. He deserves better then what he is being given right now, he and Bryan for me are to good for the company to just waste every passing week.
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Post by spagett on Jan 29, 2014 4:46:32 GMT -5
Honestly you could see it coming. I mentioned in another thread that he's been in a rut since Summerslam and at the Royal Rumble he didn't look very impressive. You could tell he was struggling physically. A combination of injury, apathy and anger has been building for months and it looks like it finally reached the end. The fact he leaves before the biggest payoff of the year shows how burnt out the guy is.
Ideally he would have waited until July and left, or at least got through Wrestlemania, but I don't blame the guy. I'm sure at some point he'll be back.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 29, 2014 4:47:45 GMT -5
Comparing the Jarrett and this situation to Benoit?? That's not even remotely close. Compared to Austin in 2003 when he left is more likely. I doubt we'll get Vince to publicly talk down to him but still. I'm not trying to say it's okay for what he did but I see his frustration and to be honest, I'm a little surprised it's taken him this long to quit. Compared to Austin, the difference is that WWE could (and always would) be able to make money with Stone Cold and vice versa. It's mutually beneficial for Austin and WWE to be on good terms. It's not the same way with punk. WWE don't need Punk to make money - aside from 1 month in 2011, he's never drawn enough to make a noticeable impact should he be gone for good. Because in that time.....He WASN'T Gone. To me the only way you can tell if someone "draws" is if there's a change when they're gone. During the last 2 years, He was the WWE champion and not booked as a Main Event wrestler (i.e closing out PPVs/Last Match). Seriously...look at 2012 in PPVs, John Cena closes out nearly Every PPV, and Punk is usually in the middle/Top of last hour, the only time he starts Closing out PPVs, is when he starts a program With Cena. Since losing the title, he's been in what I can only call "Random" feuds, albeit with Upper card folks, but for no "Real" stakes. Honestly, given how they chose to end his record reign, the way that the Rumble ended up, and the fact that in the past year he's been basically kept away from both titles, and in the last 6 months an angle with any sort of long-term significance, I can kinda see why he'd walk away at this point.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 29, 2014 4:48:41 GMT -5
Well, if WWE's in a panic over a lack of starpower post-Wrestlemania, they know they always have one surefire backup plan: Push Alberto del Rio! Just wait 'til the WWE Universe sees how aggressive he can be.
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Post by Germansuplex on Jan 29, 2014 4:53:36 GMT -5
While I understand the reasoning, I still think it's pretty darn unprofessional to just walk out (if that's what happened).
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Post by slappy on Jan 29, 2014 4:54:43 GMT -5
Well, if WWE's in a panic over a lack of starpower post-Wrestlemania, they know they always have one surefire backup plan: Push Alberto del Rio! Just wait 'til the WWE Universe sees how aggressive he can be. Isn't he supposedly leaving when his contract is up?
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Post by The IWC WORLD Champion on Jan 29, 2014 4:54:48 GMT -5
The could always do what they did when Diesel and Razor Ramon left for WCW. Who's gonna play Fake CM Punk? Paul London looks similar. Not sure about the straight edge bit though lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 4:56:17 GMT -5
Personally, I'm fine with Punk being gone (obviously, given how outspoken I can be about him) and if anything I applaud him taking a stand particularly at a time like this, but I am kind of inclined to think he should've at least agreed to stick around a few weeks and have a proper write-off. They could still pretty easily do that, just bring up that he quit and use it as further fuel for Triple H's evils, but might have gone a little better to have some huge beatdown by the Shield, Orton, and Kane before being publicly fired.
If anything, this makes me think of when Booker T left, how he had that stupid Lawler and Triple H feud after floating around doing nothing for months, lost to Cena (I think by DQ) the night after SummerSlam, and then just vanished.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jan 29, 2014 4:57:03 GMT -5
The End.
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Post by timomouse on Jan 29, 2014 4:59:48 GMT -5
Compared to Austin, the difference is that WWE could (and always would) be able to make money with Stone Cold and vice versa. It's mutually beneficial for Austin and WWE to be on good terms. It's not the same way with punk. WWE don't need Punk to make money - aside from 1 month in 2011, he's never drawn enough to make a noticeable impact should he be gone for good. What was beneficial to Austin walking out (I was wrong about the year, it was 2002)?? How can Austin make money if he's not even with the company and at the time, they weren't on good terms which is why Vince had arguably the greatest promo guy lay into Austin? You were correct about drawing power because they probably wouldn't give a damn if Yoshi Tatsu quit but they won't blacklist CM Punk forever if at all. Austin can, and does, make a buttload of money without WWE. But both make more when they work together. That simply isn't the same with Punk and if WWE want to hold a vendetta against him for walking out in the most unprofessional manner possible, they won't lose anything by it After all, they've done it for less than this.
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