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Post by Piccolo on Jan 29, 2014 7:13:04 GMT -5
Oh, this is sad news. I do think it would've been more professional to stick around a few weeks after he told them, but honestly, was there anything critical he needed to be there to wrap up? Not really.
Best of luck to him.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 29, 2014 7:13:17 GMT -5
Good for him. Anyone who thinks he's the bad guy in this situation clearly has less self respect than he has. I personally quit my last job on the spot upon finding out they had hired the niece of one of the corporate assclowns into a promotion I'd been busting my ass for. Pretty much the Rock/Batista stuff that's happened to him. If your job screws you over and over, and you can afford to quit, good on you. I wish more people in WWE would tell them to f*** off. Stop making excuses for the corporate dickbags running the company. But he's not some long-suffering jobber taking a stand. He's someone who has a history of throwing a fit when something doesn't meet his liking. I wonder how the reaction would be if Cena opted to walk away after hearing of his Wyatt match at WM. The man has had a really, really wonderful two years. And wasn't too shabby before then. Good on him for principals and all but I just feel for fans that, if this is end, won't get to see him with the final angle his career warrants. I don't care, really, how this affects WM. It's more long-term for me. He doesn't owe some final angle or match to anyone. The guy has been my favorite wrestler for years and he's entertained the hell out of me. These guys aren't performing monkeys. They're real people and this is their job. If he's miserable at work and fed up with it, he has every right to quit. They owe nothing to us, nor to WWE. As for your Cena comment, I personally would cheer him on just as much. NO ONE in that company is more taken for granted than that guy.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 29, 2014 7:13:49 GMT -5
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 29, 2014 7:14:25 GMT -5
If it means we get Bryan vs Triple H now, I don't even care.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 29, 2014 7:14:45 GMT -5
But he's not some long-suffering jobber taking a stand. He's someone who has a history of throwing a fit when something doesn't meet his liking. I wonder how the reaction would be if Cena opted to walk away after hearing of his Wyatt match at WM. The man has had a really, really wonderful two years. And wasn't too shabby before then. Good on him for principals and all but I just feel for fans that, if this is end, won't get to see him with the final angle his career warrants. I don't care, really, how this affects WM. It's more long-term for me. But the last point wasn't seemingly improving at all, I mean facing a suited Kane after being in a no story feud with The Shield, after being in a nothing feud with Paul Heyman and Curtis ruddy Axel... If the worry is his last possible feud might be not great...well to be honest that didn't seem to be leading anywhere. I don't believe that he'd be having a mega feud with Triple H, nor do I feel he'd be playing anything but fifth wheel behind every more important (in fans AND in the companies view) wrestler. Be it John Cena, Batista, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, even Daniel Bryan. CM Punk's been an afterthought since losing to 'Taker and it's shown in both his ring work and effort in promos. Well, that's pretty unprofessional of him if true, isn't it? If he truly is worried about his last possible feud not being great, its his job to make it great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 7:15:45 GMT -5
Depending on his reasons for leaving, Vince should just can him (Unless of course it's health or severe personal problems of course). Punk always seems to come across as a self-entitled cock. If he's walked out because he's not happy with the booking of him or whatever, can him. He should be pleased that he's got a job wrestling for the biggest wrestling company in the world at all and not throwing his toys out of the pram if things don't go his way. "Accept it, you don't deserve better if you're in the only place that works in that job, and you're paid better than other lowly mortals" is something I've heard said to friends and truth be told, take away the glamour and our love of wrestling, and you see it's nonsense. Punk's been in lackluster stuff for months. Take away the one month of Lesnar feud build and...you've not got much to look forward to. Regardless of Punk's supposed real character (and let's be honest our perceptions are warped by our fandom whether it's a positive or negative comment on who we like) if you feel your time is being wasted and you want better, and can afford to say "do better, or else I'm taking a hike and making the all powerful company feel the pressure" then you should do it. I'm not even a mega-fan of the guy, but if people stopped feeling sympathy for the stubborn organization which has screwed people over, has constantly disappointment many of us, and has engaged in acts which many of us would find shocking out of wrestling places then we'd probably see a lot more than "what a rich jerk, leaving the fans high and dry!"
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 29, 2014 7:17:51 GMT -5
But he's not some long-suffering jobber taking a stand. He's someone who has a history of throwing a fit when something doesn't meet his liking. I wonder how the reaction would be if Cena opted to walk away after hearing of his Wyatt match at WM. The man has had a really, really wonderful two years. And wasn't too shabby before then. Good on him for principals and all but I just feel for fans that, if this is end, won't get to see him with the final angle his career warrants. I don't care, really, how this affects WM. It's more long-term for me. But the last point wasn't seemingly improving at all, I mean facing a suited Kane after being in a no story feud with The Shield, after being in a nothing feud with Paul Heyman and Curtis ruddy Axel... If the worry is his last possible feud might be not great...well to be honest that didn't seem to be leading anywhere. I don't believe that he'd be having a mega feud with Triple H, nor do I feel he'd be playing anything but fifth wheel behind every more important (in fans AND in the companies view) wrestler. Be it John Cena, Batista, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, even Daniel Bryan. CM Punk's been an afterthought since losing to 'Taker and it's shown in both his ring work and effort in promos. Payback was returning to Chicago in the summer. There's every reason to believe that he would geet his focus back then. Obviously, all the details aren't clear yet. But it just strikes me as a bit selfish and certainly impatient that the man can't take a few months of being filler to get to that point. I appreciate the sentiment of taking a stand. I guess. It also strikes me as incredibly short-sighted, however.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 7:20:09 GMT -5
But the last point wasn't seemingly improving at all, I mean facing a suited Kane after being in a no story feud with The Shield, after being in a nothing feud with Paul Heyman and Curtis ruddy Axel... If the worry is his last possible feud might be not great...well to be honest that didn't seem to be leading anywhere. I don't believe that he'd be having a mega feud with Triple H, nor do I feel he'd be playing anything but fifth wheel behind every more important (in fans AND in the companies view) wrestler. Be it John Cena, Batista, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, even Daniel Bryan. CM Punk's been an afterthought since losing to 'Taker and it's shown in both his ring work and effort in promos. Well, that's pretty unprofessional of him if true, isn't it? If he truly is worried about his last possible feud not being great, its his job to make it great. I'd agree with that, but I feel that give a semi-hurt person crap for months (Curtis Axel/suited Kane/no sign of progress) and it's liable to annoy even the saints amongst us (like Daniel Bryan!) Punk made the bad crap work (see: feud with Rey) but no one can make the best of junk for ages unless their name is Kane. ...thinking on it Kane is probably the only person capable of turning everything to gold and going with the flow. A deity of patience. But sometimes patience isn't good enough and pushing for more is. But the last point wasn't seemingly improving at all, I mean facing a suited Kane after being in a no story feud with The Shield, after being in a nothing feud with Paul Heyman and Curtis ruddy Axel... If the worry is his last possible feud might be not great...well to be honest that didn't seem to be leading anywhere. I don't believe that he'd be having a mega feud with Triple H, nor do I feel he'd be playing anything but fifth wheel behind every more important (in fans AND in the companies view) wrestler. Be it John Cena, Batista, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, even Daniel Bryan. CM Punk's been an afterthought since losing to 'Taker and it's shown in both his ring work and effort in promos. Payback was returning to Chicago in the summer. There's every reason to believe that he would geet his focus back then. Obviously, all the details aren't clear yet. But it just strikes me as a bit selfish and certainly impatient that the man can't take a few months of being filler to get to that point. I appreciate the sentiment of taking a stand. I guess. It also strikes me as incredibly short-sighted, however. I think it could be short sighted, but no more short sighted than the business as you see colleagues slighted and working hurt only to be stood up and challenged in stature by an out of shape Batista must be pretty frustrating. I'm not going to bat for Punk (as I said I don't think his work's been up to much for a year and a half outside of a good match with 'Taker) but more the idea that the big company should do better with stars that need better things. Be it established and widely loved people like Punk, those that are loved but being misused despite widespread TV time like Bryan, or people I dislike heavily who complain like Zack Ryder who get no chances. I mean for all I know I'm just getting frustrated at the world being run by money hungry faceless marketing entities and this could be based around Punk being pissed at a lack of Pepsi on his personal rider (or something equally petty), but given I've just given up all hope of ever watching the WWE again in the next year to make a point to myself (not putting cash in any undeserving pockets) it's good to see people get pissed off and leave. Heat of the moment it could be, but you need to act in the present or realize you should have acted in the future.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 29, 2014 7:20:17 GMT -5
Leaving in time for Wrestlemania? He's turned into Bizarro-Jericho. BTW, how does walking out work from a legal standpoint? Can WWE sue him for breach of contract, or does it say somewhere in said contact that the talent doesn't really have to show up for work if they don't feel like it? Considering that they're independant contractors, if I hired someone to fix my roof, I doubt that they can just leave halfway through without any legal consequenses. I'm guessing that it's not in WWE's best interest to take any legal action, Punk can reasonably claim that he had to leave for the good of his health there's probably enough truth in that to make a court case risky. WWE would almost certainly decide that it's not worth the cost, be that in monetary terms (paying Punk's fees if they lose), their long-term relationship with Punk, locker-room morale, the negotiation of future contracts and the bad ensuing bad PR perspective from the the media (questions about wrestlers schedules) and/or the fans. Of course WWE may have a case that Punk should still be there in a non-wrestling role, maybe just an angle to write him out in kayfabe (which I think Punk should do anyway) but again I doubt the benefits outweigh the costs, especially if Punk has the rumoured creative control over his promos.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 29, 2014 7:20:22 GMT -5
Got a bad feeling AJ may be losing the title soon
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Post by Crimson on Jan 29, 2014 7:23:14 GMT -5
I can't bring myself to completely side with Punk on this. Certainly no one should stick around if they're unhappy. But man, you had a very good run. It's likely you were going to have a very good summer angle. ...I just can't find 'dat sympathy. I agree. No hate for the guy, but Punk does skirt along the "entitlement" line.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 29, 2014 7:24:02 GMT -5
Got a bad feeling AJ may be losing the title soon I like AJ, but if it takes petty, spiteful political BS over Punk leaving to make some other Diva look like she actually matters, then so be it.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jan 29, 2014 7:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 29, 2014 7:25:09 GMT -5
Got a bad feeling AJ may be losing the title soon I've seen this type of comment come up a lot already... I might need some examples of this kind of thing happening in the past where one person in a relationship has left and the other that stayed on has gotten punished for it, because none come to mind right now. If not... stop being so damn paranoid, you lot. There's been so much of that already this week.
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 29, 2014 7:26:27 GMT -5
But he's not some long-suffering jobber taking a stand. He's someone who has a history of throwing a fit when something doesn't meet his liking. I wonder how the reaction would be if Cena opted to walk away after hearing of his Wyatt match at WM. The man has had a really, really wonderful two years. And wasn't too shabby before then. Good on him for principals and all but I just feel for fans that, if this is end, won't get to see him with the final angle his career warrants. I don't care, really, how this affects WM. It's more long-term for me. He doesn't owe some final angle or match to anyone. The guy has been my favorite wrestler for years and he's entertained the hell out of me. These guys aren't performing monkeys. They're real people and this is their job. If he's miserable at work and fed up with it, he has every right to quit. They owe nothing to us, nor to WWE. As for your Cena comment, I personally would cheer him on just as much. NO ONE in that company is more taken for granted than that guy. I'm not saying these guys are puppets for my amusement. I'm saying that I view Punk as a little disingenuous because these feelings of unhappiness tend to creep up whenever things don't go exactly as he prefers. If the reports focused more on him being burnt out, or even the PPV bonuses, I wouldn't be saying much. The main issue seems to be how he's booked. Classic Punk.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 29, 2014 7:27:42 GMT -5
But the last point wasn't seemingly improving at all, I mean facing a suited Kane after being in a no story feud with The Shield, after being in a nothing feud with Paul Heyman and Curtis ruddy Axel... If the worry is his last possible feud might be not great...well to be honest that didn't seem to be leading anywhere. I don't believe that he'd be having a mega feud with Triple H, nor do I feel he'd be playing anything but fifth wheel behind every more important (in fans AND in the companies view) wrestler. Be it John Cena, Batista, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, even Daniel Bryan. CM Punk's been an afterthought since losing to 'Taker and it's shown in both his ring work and effort in promos. Payback was returning to Chicago in the summer. There's every reason to believe that he would geet his focus back then. Obviously, all the details aren't clear yet. But it just strikes me as a bit selfish and certainly impatient that the man can't take a few months of being filler to get to that point. I appreciate the sentiment of taking a stand. I guess. It also strikes me as incredibly short-sighted, however. It's selfish of him to quit because he's unhappy? No one would say that to a normal person working a normal job. He's no different than you or me just because he's on TV. People keep accusing him of being self-entitled, but the only self-entitled ones are the people who want him to stay at his miserable job for their benefit. He owes no one a damn thing.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 29, 2014 7:28:03 GMT -5
Well, that's pretty unprofessional of him if true, isn't it? If he truly is worried about his last possible feud not being great, its his job to make it great. I'd agree with that, but I feel that give a semi-hurt person crap for months (Curtis Axel/suited Kane/no sign of progress) and it's liable to annoy even the saints amongst us (like Daniel Bryan!) Punk made the bad crap work (see: feud with Rey) but no one can make the best of junk for ages unless their name is Kane. ...thinking on it Kane is probably the only person capable of turning everything to gold and going with the flow. A deity of patience. But sometimes patience isn't good enough and pushing for more is. The feud with Kane, if rumors are true, was going to lead to a Wrestlemania match against Triple H. Seeing as how the Authority has been the number one storyline in the company since Summerslam, Punk has no reason to complain about booking.
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Post by Crimson on Jan 29, 2014 7:30:28 GMT -5
Got a bad feeling AJ may be losing the title soon I've seen this type of comment come up a lot already... I might need some examples of this kind of thing happening in the past where one person in a relationship has left and the other that stayed on has gotten punished for it, because none come to mind right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 7:30:42 GMT -5
Got a bad feeling AJ may be losing the title soon I like AJ, but if it takes petty, spiteful political BS over Punk leaving to make some other Diva look like she actually matters, then so be it. Let's be real. It would most likely be put on a Bella and even then, they'd get no real feuds or character development while still wrestling five minute matches.
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