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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 20:08:39 GMT -5
As a HHHate thread, this is useless without comparisons to other top guys. Who did Punk help elevate? Cena? Daniel Bryan? Undertaker? Do any of them have a better or worse track record than HHH on this? (If this is really something we can give credit/blame guys for.) Taker's at least lost clean, and pretty decisively, to people like Khali and Kozlov. He did eventually get those wins back, sure, but the guy has plenty of times in the past made people genuinely look like they're on his level. Remember that Taker / Kennedy feud that lasted for like four months? There was a lot more give and take in that than pretty much any Triple H feud, and Kennedy came out of it a bigger deal than he was when it started. Plus, Cena's had his occasional clean losses and at least he tends to try and at least let his opponent put him in serious jeopardy - often too much so, but be it against Carlito, Miz, Punk, whoever, Cena has gotten his ass kicked many times over. Then there's Bryan losing to Big E the night after Mania relatively cleanly in his first singles match, or him losing clean to Bray Wyatt at the Royal Rumble. Admittedly though since 2011 I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone who has gotten to hang with Punk and come out looking better for it other than maybe Bryan. The thing is, though, Triple H can do whatever the hell he wants because he's the boss's son-in-law, he just has always come off as more interested in being the ultimate, world-destroying badass with entirely too many nicknames than in actually making anyone look like they're remotely as good as he is. Even his friends, like Sheamus, tend to need to cheat like mad and do everything short of decapitate him to beat him. Actually, a great example of the difference between Triple H and Cena - Umaga. First off, when Cena first faced Umaga, he got dominated for most of the match and just happened to be distracted for a second when Umaga hit the Samoan Spike and won. When Umaga beat Triple H a few weeks later (after also beating Michaels in a similar fashion to the Cena win), there were run-ins galore and Triple H kicked out of the Samoan Spike which no one else had done at that point. Cena first beat Umaga on a complete fluke, then the next night started out Raw by coming out and saying that Umaga completely kicked his ass and he only won by sheer luck. Triple H when he feuded with Umaga later that year beat him over and over again with minimal effort, including on one occasion when he had already had a match earlier in the night.
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Post by 2 Cold Scorkum on Feb 6, 2014 20:09:23 GMT -5
i made this thread a year ago
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Post by Woo on Feb 6, 2014 20:12:27 GMT -5
I'll agree with Benjamin. I marked out so much when he pinned HHH and became convinced that he was the future right there.
Batista too. I don't count Benoit as while he was champion HHH was still booked as the main guy and still the man who main evented PPV's with 50 minute BS matches. Saying HHH put over Benoit is akin to Hogan putting over Warrior. Yes, they lost, but made sure that afterwards they were still the star. Thankfully HHH at least had the decency not to ruin Benoit's celebration unlike Hogan does to Warrior or Savage.
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Post by Sam Punk on Feb 6, 2014 20:17:34 GMT -5
Undertaker put over Rock, Foley and Kane and helped to make them huge stars. That right there is two more folks than HHH has put over.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Feb 6, 2014 20:17:53 GMT -5
I will say the rock.
Now, I don't want to say that he made the rock, or that without HHH the rock will be a nobody, but I think that he really helped to cement the rock as the top guy in the 2000 after the previous years austin was the top guy. HHH and his entourage were such a bastards that when the rock went over it really mattered (Like Backlash).
The only guy who he elevated was Batista. Imo he buried cena too, in the sense that instead of being the universally loved guy, he became the "controversial" top guy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 20:24:49 GMT -5
I will say the rock. Now, I don't want to say that he made the rock, or that without HHH the rock will be a nobody, but I think that he really helped to cement the rock as the top guy in the 2000 after the previous years austin was the top guy. HHH and his entourage were such a bastards that when the rock went over it really mattered (Like Backlash). The only guy who he elevated was Batista. Imo he buried cena too, in the sense that instead of being the universally loved guy, he became the "controversial" top guy Cena was far from universally loved long before the Triple H feud. He was already starting to get some boos just before he beat JBL, but it really picked up in his feuds with Christian and Jericho then he was basically being universally crapped on in the Angle feud that followed. He managed to recover a little bit from the Edge feud and while Triple H had the fans firmly behind him it still wasn't as bad for Cena during that feud as it was during the Angle one.
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 6, 2014 20:24:50 GMT -5
While it's not strictly the same thing, one thing I will give HHH credit for is that when Cactus Jack debuted in WWE (and returned prior to RR2000), he sold the reaction perfectly. He made it seem like it was the end of the world to have to go against Cactus, even when he was willing to mock Foley in other incarnations. Particularly with the latter, where the change from cockiness to sheer terror is just wonderful to watch. And I think he's more entertaining when he can show vulnerability like that.
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Post by Totorob101 on Feb 6, 2014 20:58:50 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say he is the most selfish man in the history of the business? Nothing he does benifits the company, only himself and his best buddies. He has never put anyone over and it looks like he will bury quite a few more guys in the future before he finally (hopefully) calls it quits.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 6, 2014 21:00:40 GMT -5
Undertaker put over Rock, Foley and Kane and helped to make them huge stars. That right there is two more folks than HHH has put over. Taker also put over Lesnar huge during his first title reign. In fact I don't think Taker ever beat Lesnar.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 6, 2014 21:05:32 GMT -5
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned leaner yet
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 6, 2014 21:09:03 GMT -5
Do you mean put someone over or have someone beat him? Because I'm fairly certain he put over Taka at some point. Triple H vs TAKA Michinoku was a really damn nice match.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 6, 2014 21:13:20 GMT -5
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned leaner yet He pinned Lesnar, sure, but yeah, he basically added to the mystique still, since it was after throwing anything and everything at him, and after taking a decisive loss against him in their previous match.
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Post by Clawley Race on Feb 6, 2014 21:29:23 GMT -5
He put over HBK when he came back. Sure we are talking about multi-time world champion...but he stopped before WWF/E got a LOT of new fans. He came back and beat trips in his first match back.
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 6, 2014 21:48:45 GMT -5
HHH losing to Eugene gave Eugene a ton of credibility. Which was then promptly wasted with poor booking/character development. Would it be fair to say he is the most selfish man in the history of the business? No. I'd say Mil Mascaras was way worse.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 6, 2014 21:50:47 GMT -5
HHH losing to Eugene gave Eugene a ton of credibility. Which was then promptly wasted with poor booking/character development. Would it be fair to say he is the most selfish man in the history of the business? No. I'd say Mil Mascaras was way worse. Yeah, Mil is a far worse example, which many will attest to. Foley, Jericho, and others found him to be an absolute dick.
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Post by JTG Fan on Feb 6, 2014 21:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by Sam Punk on Feb 6, 2014 21:57:07 GMT -5
He put over HBK when he came back. Sure we are talking about multi-time world champion...but he stopped before WWF/E got a LOT of new fans. He came back and beat trips in his first match back. That was a different situation as Shawn was his kliq buddy whom, I believe, was only a part-time wrestler and as such wasn't a threat to HHH's spot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 0:33:36 GMT -5
Here's every HHH feud the last 10 years:
HHH's opponent: "Not only do I respect you, but your penis is much larger than mine could ever be, you are the greatest wrestler, and it would be an honor to blow you right here."
HHH: "Everything you said is true. Also you are very weak and I am very strong, I will beat you at the PPV."
HHH's opponent: "You're probably right, but I'll give it a try."
HHH: "Also I banged your girlfriend"
*After the PPV, if HHH actually lost*
HHH: "I still did bang his girlfriend, lets put the video up on the tron"
You have to beat the damn guy 20 times for it to mean anything, else you'd be better off staying away from him.
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Post by Clawley Race on Feb 7, 2014 0:35:02 GMT -5
He put over HBK when he came back. Sure we are talking about multi-time world champion...but he stopped before WWF/E got a LOT of new fans. He came back and beat trips in his first match back. That was a different situation as Shawn was his kliq buddy whom, I believe, was only a part-time wrestler and as such wasn't a threat to HHH's spot. Different =/= wrong. If he came back and trips shut him down, his comeback might not be as great. It at least would have had a slower start. Didn't he put over Henry Godwin at a time had way more pull? Not that it helped...
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 7, 2014 0:49:06 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say he is the most selfish man in the history of the business? Nothing he does benifits the company, only himself and his best buddies. He has never put anyone over and it looks like he will bury quite a few more guys in the future before he finally (hopefully) calls it quits. Not even slightly. For one thing, Hulk Hogan. For another, a solid 80% of promoters throughout the history of the business.
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