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Post by cjh on Feb 20, 2014 23:09:59 GMT -5
In 2005, 2007, 2008, and 2009, WWE released WrestleMania 1-21, the first 20 Royal Rumbles, the first 20 SummerSlams, and the first 10 Survivor Series on DVD. These were released during the time that WWE had to mute wrestlers and announcers saying "WWF". This practice ended in 2012.
However, in 2013, WWE released WrestleMania 1-15 individually on DVD. While WM 15 was a different edit than the 2005 release (2005 release had WWF scratch logo blurred out while the 2013 release did not), 1-14 were the 2005 edits, meaning "WWF" references were still muted.
So for everyone who's going to access the WWE Network, you might want to immediately check out WrestleMania 1-13, SummerSlam 1988-1997, Royal Rumble 1988-1997, and Survivor Series 1987-1997 to make sure that WWE didn't recycle the Anthology versions, which would have lots of instances of "W-W-(mute)" and periods of silence on commentary to remove "WWF" references.
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Post by mattyy on Feb 20, 2014 23:11:35 GMT -5
they've already said the Pay Per Views will be unedited.
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Post by Shark on Feb 20, 2014 23:19:51 GMT -5
WWE has an agreement now with the World Wildlife Fund so WWE doesn't have to mute or censor that stuff anymore. WWE knew that with the Network it would be cost inefficient to go through all that tape and censor that footage so they struck an agreement so they don't have to do it anymore.
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Post by cjh on Feb 20, 2014 23:25:59 GMT -5
WWE has an agreement now with the World Wildlife Fund so WWE doesn't have to mute or censor that stuff anymore. WWE knew that with the Network it would be cost inefficient to go through all that tape and censor that footage so they struck an agreement so they don't have to do it anymore. Yeah, I know that. It happened in 2012. Read my post again. WWE has still used the censored footage since then (the individual Mania DVD releases in 2013). |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 20, 2014 23:28:23 GMT -5
WWE has an agreement now with the World Wildlife Fund so WWE doesn't have to mute or censor that stuff anymore. WWE knew that with the Network it would be cost inefficient to go through all that tape and censor that footage so they struck an agreement so they don't have to do it anymore. Yeah, I know that. It happened in 2012. Read my post again. WWE has still used the censored footage since then (the individual Mania DVD releases in 2013). Because they did not make new copies, they just re-released old ones in that instance. New uses of the old footage are going to be uncensored. This has all been talked about and covered before. |
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Feb 20, 2014 23:31:00 GMT -5
Didn't the WWF "Censorship" happen due to an agreement not to go overseas and some international contracts? I mean, its US only (At the moment), there's gotta be a precedent.
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Post by Shark on Feb 20, 2014 23:31:15 GMT -5
WWE has an agreement now with the World Wildlife Fund so WWE doesn't have to mute or censor that stuff anymore. WWE knew that with the Network it would be cost inefficient to go through all that tape and censor that footage so they struck an agreement so they don't have to do it anymore. Yeah, I know that. It happened in 2012. Read my post again. WWE has still used the censored footage since then (the individual Mania DVD releases in 2013 were the exact same censored ones released in 2005). It's likely different for the Network. Think of it like old TV shows being released on DVD and they have to change the music used like WKRP. The rights extend only to when it's aired on TV, but not for DVD release. WWE and WWF likely worked it out where WWE has to censor their DVD releases, but not their Network content. |
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Post by cjh on Feb 20, 2014 23:35:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I know that. It happened in 2012. Read my post again. WWE has still used the censored footage since then (the individual Mania DVD releases in 2013). Because they did not make new copies, they just re-released old ones in that instance. New uses of the old footage are going to be uncensored. This has all been talked about and covered before. The 2013 copy of WM 15 was new because that was greatly affected by blurring in the 2005 release. It was 1-14 that were not new. And again, when WWE says "unedited", that just refers to the things that determine content ratings like violence and language. They advertised the 12-disc Raw box set as "unedited", but it has music changes and a Chris Benoit segment missing. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 20, 2014 23:39:49 GMT -5
Didn't the WWF "Censorship" happen due to an agreement not to go overseas and some international contracts? I mean, its US only (At the moment), there's gotta be a precedent. Yes, it happened because they lost a case to the World Wide Fund For Nature in the UK. They broke an agreement to not use the WWF initials outside the US or change their logo so a judge sided with the Fund. Instead of paying off the WWFund to save the name and logo, Vince just changed the name started the censorship. In 2012 as things progressed with the Network, WWE and WWF worked out an agreement for use of the WWF initials and the scratch logo, where it can be used in historical footage (thus it should be uncensored on the Network and I think WWE has confirmed that) but not in anything new or to market something. That is why it is still blurred on DVD covers, commercials, and the like. Some of the footage they use is still censored as well simply because it is cheaper to use the existing cuts than go through and make new ones. |
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Feb 20, 2014 23:39:55 GMT -5
That's the whole point of the agreement with the World Wildlife Fund. They were clearly planning for this.
I'm not sure about music. Is that figured out? Because it isn't a DVD can they just use things like Johnny Cash and Metallica now?
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Post by cjh on Feb 20, 2014 23:40:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I know that. It happened in 2012. Read my post again. WWE has still used the censored footage since then (the individual Mania DVD releases in 2013 were the exact same censored ones released in 2005). It's likely different for the Network. Think of it like old TV shows being released on DVD and they have to change the music used like WKRP. The rights extend only to when it's aired on TV, but not for DVD release. WWE and WWF likely worked it out where WWE has to censor their DVD releases, but not their Network content. Nope, nothing like that. They don't censor "WWF" references anywhere anymore, including home video. The 2013 re-releases of WrestleMania 1-14 were literally recycled from 2005. They even had the 2005 "Don't Try This at Home" spot that included Chris Benoit. If you put the discs in your computer, it says the audio/video files were created in 2005. The Mania 15 disc says 2013. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 20, 2014 23:43:30 GMT -5
I'd be curious to hear if they retained the WM 15 edits from last year (choking spots in Undertaker/Boss Man and Rock/Austin, the Undertaker video package and Boss Man's hanging). Going by recent DVD/Blu-rays I wouldn't be surprised if they have tried to edit such choking/violence wherever possible.
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Post by amaron on Feb 20, 2014 23:52:54 GMT -5
Going by recent DVD/Blu-rays I wouldn't be surprised if they have tried to edit such choking/violence wherever possible. I really hope uncensored really means uncensored. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 20, 2014 23:55:18 GMT -5
Going by recent DVD/Blu-rays I wouldn't be surprised if they have tried to edit such choking/violence wherever possible. I really hope uncensored really means uncensored. I imagine we all do, but it's not like they ever acknowledged the edits on the Attitude Era, WM XV, and Nitro Vol. 2 sets. No one really noticed or cared. |
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Post by cjh on Feb 20, 2014 23:59:21 GMT -5
I really hope uncensored really means uncensored. I imagine we all do, but it's not like they ever acknowledged the edits on the Attitude Era, WM XV, and Nitro Vol. 2 sets. No one really noticed or cared. I'd understand those edits if those releases were rated TV-PG, but they were rated TV-14. The Network FAQ says some programming on the Network will be rated TV-14 and even TV-MA. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 21, 2014 0:01:42 GMT -5
I imagine we all do, but it's not like they ever acknowledged the edits on the Attitude Era, WM XV, and Nitro Vol. 2 sets. No one really noticed or cared. I'd understand those edits if those releases were rated TV-PG, but they were rated TV-14. The Network FAQ says some programming on the Network will be rated TV-14 and even TV-MA. I guess it won't be long until we find out. I would be very surprised if WM XV is not from the same master as the 2013 DVD. |
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Post by BEARD on Feb 21, 2014 0:34:29 GMT -5
Honestly, I've never understood why wrestling fans are so pedantic when it comes to old footage.
I've watched many a PPV where there has been a lot of blurs and muted WWFs and it hasn't affected my viewing of it whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 0:47:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I've never understood why wrestling fans are so pedantic when it comes to old footage. I've watched many a PPV where there has been a lot of blurs and muted WWFs and it hasn't affected my viewing of it whatsoever. Different people have different standards. You don't need to be condescending about the fact that you don't. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 21, 2014 1:15:48 GMT -5
The WW edits are weird, but there's one during a Hogan promo, where and I have no idea how much time was spent doing this, they tracked down him saying "e" and inserted it in. I forget what set it's on, but it's really odd.
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Post by BEARD on Feb 21, 2014 7:11:00 GMT -5
Honestly, I've never understood why wrestling fans are so pedantic when it comes to old footage. I've watched many a PPV where there has been a lot of blurs and muted WWFs and it hasn't affected my viewing of it whatsoever. Different people have different standards. You don't need to be condescending about the fact that you don't. Genuinely wasn't being condescending. No idea how you picked that up. |
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