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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 18, 2014 11:36:36 GMT -5
I think you're allowed in with cameras... it's been a while since I went to a concert there though...
I would imagine it would be tough to enforce with the rise of cellphone cameras.
Unless you have like a big professional camera you want to use.. that they might have a problem with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 11:38:28 GMT -5
Maybe people should stop shitting on the TNA product and wait for these shows to actually happen first? No of course not, back to the usual eh? TNA could literally cure cancer and it wouldn't be enough for some of you people. Sad. Really sad. In all fairness, I doubt TNA is going to radically change their programming/product for these shows, so I think the critique is more along the lines if "If Impact as it is now plays at the Ballroom, this is the expected reaction." Also, if its substantially more expensive to run there versus a cheaper venue, I can't see the reason why they'd choose a place steeped in another company's history. It just doesn't seem to make sense.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 18, 2014 11:49:02 GMT -5
Maybe people should stop shitting on the TNA product and wait for these shows to actually happen first? No of course not, back to the usual eh? TNA could literally cure cancer and it wouldn't be enough for some of you people. Sad. Really sad. In all fairness, I doubt TNA is going to radically change their programming/product for these shows, so I think the critique is more along the lines if "If Impact as it is now plays at the Ballroom, this is the expected reaction." Also, if its substantially more expensive to run there versus a cheaper venue, I can't see the reason why they'd choose a place steeped in another company's history. It just doesn't seem to make sense. Have you watched "the product" lately? Ive been to three ROH shows at Hammerstein, and I'm not certain what about the current TNA products is so different than that? Also, I've seen TNA in New York City on two occasions, and both times the crowd was hot and into it. I've also been to TNA shows in the old ECW bingo hall, and to a PPV in NJ, and guess what, THE CROWDS WERE HOT AND INTO IT. I think that people live in this world of "TNA SUCKS EVERYONE AGREES LULZ", and just can't imagine something outside of it. The product as it is now will get over with the NY crowd. I should know because I've been to over 30 shows in the NYC area, and I'm fully aware what gets over with wrestling fans here. Austin Aries, the Wolves, Robert Roode, Bully Ray, EC3 with Rockstar Spud, Samoa Joe, will get over with the crowd. So please tell me which aspect of Impact "as it nows plays", will not get over with the NYC crowd?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 11:57:46 GMT -5
^^^
I get your point, but it's never been the talent that is the issue with TNA. The talent is and has always been there. It's the lousy booking that they will crap on, like say if a maskless Abyss comes up from under the ring and ruins a perfectly good World Title match.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 18, 2014 12:13:22 GMT -5
^^^ I get your point, but it's never been the talent that is the issue with TNA. The talent is and has always been there. It's the lousy booking that they will crap on, like say if a maskless Abyss comes up from under the ring and ruins a perfectly good World Title match. Yes, that was universally panned. But if we're talking about the PPV, it was 80% enjoyable. It's a different product now then it was 3 months ago. People who insist on saying "TNA is the same since 2005 and it's stupid" just annoy me to no end. The booking has been far superior to how it used to be, and really the stupid Abyss thing aside, and may some aspects of the Shaw-Anderson match, you can't really point out the huge TNA Booking Flaws that were so unpopular with people. Much like everything, TNA "sucking" is a popular meme, but if you're watching the PPVs or Impacts, you just can't say it "sucks". You may dislike it subjectively, or disagree with certain booking decisions, but to think somehow Hammerstein audiences will laugh off and boo the current sports entertainmenty product, is just ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 12:14:59 GMT -5
In all fairness, I doubt TNA is going to radically change their programming/product for these shows, so I think the critique is more along the lines if "If Impact as it is now plays at the Ballroom, this is the expected reaction." Also, if its substantially more expensive to run there versus a cheaper venue, I can't see the reason why they'd choose a place steeped in another company's history. It just doesn't seem to make sense. Have you watched "the product" lately? Ive been to three ROH shows at Hammerstein, and I'm not certain what about the current TNA products is so different than that? Also, I've seen TNA in New York City on two occasions, and both times the crowd was hot and into it. I've also been to TNA shows in the old ECW bingo hall, and to a PPV in NJ, and guess what, THE CROWDS WERE HOT AND INTO IT. I think that people live in this world of "TNA SUCKS EVERYONE AGREES LULZ", and just can't imagine something outside of it. The product as it is now will get over with the NY crowd. I should know because I've been to over 30 shows in the NYC area, and I'm fully aware what gets over with wrestling fans here. Austin Aries, the Wolves, Robert Roode, Bully Ray, EC3 with Rockstar Spud, Samoa Joe, will get over with the crowd. So please tell me which aspect of Impact "as it nows plays", will not get over with the NYC crowd? I've been watching TNA on the reg through their youtube clips for a while now, so I'm familiar with the product. And I don't watch ROH at all so I can't comment on that, but I do watch Chikara, PWG, and some foreign promotions as well, so I have a concept of life outside TNAsucks. If you actually read my post, I don't say that TNA will die a thousand deaths at the Ballroom, just that the arguement people are making isn't "Blind TN-hate" as the person I was responding to implied. But my opinion of it is - who cares? The Ballroom isn't some holy place where the crowd's opinion matters more than anyone else's so why even bother going there? If they crush with the Ballroom audience, its not going to impress anyone so my only point was that IF it costs more to run there, what's the point? And, not for nothing, you get VERY offended at the slightest things regarding TNA. Heck, on my podcast and on the boards I'll often point out the things TNA are doing right, so I think the "OMG WHY DO YOU HATE TNA!?!?!?!?!?" thing needs to be toned down a bit. I also think that if you're already on the defensive about something like this you'll be very aggressive towards anyone with a different opinion than yours.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 12:21:47 GMT -5
^^^ I get your point, but it's never been the talent that is the issue with TNA. The talent is and has always been there. It's the lousy booking that they will crap on, like say if a maskless Abyss comes up from under the ring and ruins a perfectly good World Title match. Yes, that was universally panned. But if we're talking about the PPV, it was 80% enjoyable. It's a different product now then it was 3 months ago. People who insist on saying "TNA is the same since 2005 and it's stupid" just annoy me to no end. The booking has been far superior to how it used to be, and really the stupid Abyss thing aside, and may some aspects of the Shaw-Anderson match, you can't really point out the huge TNA Booking Flaws that were so unpopular with people. Much like everything, TNA "sucking" is a popular meme, but if you're watching the PPVs or Impacts, you just can't say it "sucks". You may dislike it subjectively, or disagree with certain booking decisions, but to think somehow Hammerstein audiences will laugh off and boo the current sports entertainmenty product, is just ridiculous. The Abyss thing was merely an example. My point was that while I agree they will cheer a lot of the talent, the second something ridiculously stupid happens the crowd will turn on the show like any other crowd would. Simply having a good roster won't automatically make one of the most vocal wrestling venues stay on your side. And yes, TNA is better than it used to be. However, they have served us crap for so long that the expectations of fans are higher than they should be. Fans have been burned repeatedly by this company, and they want a perfect product now to make up for it. It's unfair but it's the reality of the situation.
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Post by domrep on Mar 18, 2014 12:47:08 GMT -5
NY loves them. They are smart enough to put on a great card, have pure wrestling matches in an attempt for the NY crowd not to get on them. They will probably sell out all 3 shows.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 18, 2014 13:21:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing some former ECW folks like Tommy Dreamer and Sabu will be involved in the show. Or TNA hires some well known indy guys in time for the show. I wouldn't be shocked if they brought over some Wrestle-1 folks to boost up the shows since Puroresu is even more en vogue. TNA's biggest problem with SPIKE is that SPIKE doesn't care about TNA as much as they do for Bellator. Bellator is their pride and joy while TNA is the kid locked in the attic. Doesn't help that COPS is pulling higher ratings than Impact. Times like these are where Eric Bischoff strives at. He knows how to speak corporate and convinces them to sign off. The man is able to make networks willingly air shows starring Scott Baio. I wouldn't be surprised though if TNA bring in more Bellator fighters in hopes of pleasing SPIKE.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Mar 18, 2014 18:50:29 GMT -5
I'm guessing some former ECW folks like Tommy Dreamer and Sabu will be involved in the show. Or TNA hires some well known indy guys in time for the show. I wouldn't be shocked if they brought over some Wrestle-1 folks to boost up the shows since Puroresu is even more en vogue. TNA's biggest problem with SPIKE is that SPIKE doesn't care about TNA as much as they do for Bellator. Bellator is their pride and joy while TNA is the kid locked in the attic. Doesn't help that COPS is pulling higher ratings than Impact. Times like these are where Eric Bischoff strives at. He knows how to speak corporate and convinces them to sign off. The man is able to make networks willingly air shows starring Scott Baio. I wouldn't be surprised though if TNA bring in more Bellator fighters in hopes of pleasing SPIKE. Hell TNA may even use some of the people from Dreamer's House of Hardcore, they seem to be on good terms. Lately TNA has been on fire even though some aspects are still askew but the good is so outweighing the bad as of right now, I am holding out hope though and hope the product stays fresh. In regards to Wrestle 1` Sanada will be there for a while
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 18, 2014 19:01:35 GMT -5
I'm guessing some former ECW folks like Tommy Dreamer and Sabu will be involved in the show. Or TNA hires some well known indy guys in time for the show. I wouldn't be shocked if they brought over some Wrestle-1 folks to boost up the shows since Puroresu is even more en vogue. TNA's biggest problem with SPIKE is that SPIKE doesn't care about TNA as much as they do for Bellator. Bellator is their pride and joy while TNA is the kid locked in the attic. Doesn't help that COPS is pulling higher ratings than Impact. Times like these are where Eric Bischoff strives at. He knows how to speak corporate and convinces them to sign off. The man is able to make networks willingly air shows starring Scott Baio. I wouldn't be surprised though if TNA bring in more Bellator fighters in hopes of pleasing SPIKE. Hell TNA may even use some of the people from Dreamer's House of Hardcore, they seem to be on good terms. Lately TNA has been on fire even though some aspects are still askew but the good is so outweighing the bad as of right now, I am holding out hope though and hope the product stays fresh. In regards to Wrestle 1` Sanada will be there for a while I was talking about the other members of Wrestle-1 like Hama who makes Samoa Joe look like Norv Fernum. I'm surprised that TNA doesn't use more folks from Dreamer's promotion to fill in the blanks from the bigger names leaving.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 18, 2014 21:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 18, 2014 22:49:40 GMT -5
I actually have to disagree with a poster above who said the ballroom is not a "holy place" where the crowd's opinion matters more then elsewhere. While financial arguments about the costs of booking the ballroom are totally valid, the Hammerstein Ballroom is still kind of a mini-mecca of wrestling, comparable to the Mid South Coliseum in Tennessee. Its located right in the heart of NYC, one of the wrestling capitals of the country dating back to the territorial days. It was an early host for Monday Night RAW well before the Monday Night Wars ever happened. And, of course, it was the venue for some very memorable moments in the old days of ECW. So for a mid-sized wrestling promotion, there is a certain prestige attached to running a show there-even more so or TNA after the nightmarish experiences they had trying to go on the road full time.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 18, 2014 23:03:06 GMT -5
I think that they will be fine, at least I doubt that smark go to TNA shows with the intention of crapping it. In the other hand, if TNA screws up, it will be funny for how brutal will be.
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Post by metylerca on Mar 19, 2014 12:24:58 GMT -5
Point of order, TNA in smark towns.
The people who pay to go are going to watch a TNA show. I enjoy TNA bashing when it's deserved as much as the next poster, but I can't see people shelling out hard earned money to boo.
But if they do....
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 19, 2014 17:08:25 GMT -5
Point of order, TNA in smark towns. The people who pay to go are going to watch a TNA show. I enjoy TNA bashing when it's deserved as much as the next poster, but I can't see people shelling out hard earned money to boo. But if they do.... It's not like people pay to cheer at shows either. People going to TNA shows have been conditioned to wait until the last day for free tickets. And even then, they don't fill up.
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Post by metylerca on Mar 19, 2014 17:20:52 GMT -5
Point of order, TNA in smark towns. The people who pay to go are going to watch a TNA show. I enjoy TNA bashing when it's deserved as much as the next poster, but I can't see people shelling out hard earned money to boo. But if they do.... It's not like people pay to cheer at shows either. People going to TNA shows have been conditioned to wait until the last day for free tickets. And even then, they don't fill up. From personal experience, you aren't wrong.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Mar 19, 2014 17:38:34 GMT -5
While the Hammerstein Ballroom is always fun for a wrestling show, I am not sure if this is the right audience for TNA, especially with some of the infamous bullcrap TNA is known for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 18:13:22 GMT -5
I actually have to disagree with a poster above who said the ballroom is not a "holy place" where the crowd's opinion matters more then elsewhere. While financial arguments about the costs of booking the ballroom are totally valid, the Hammerstein Ballroom is still kind of a mini-mecca of wrestling, comparable to the Mid South Coliseum in Tennessee. Its located right in the heart of NYC, one of the wrestling capitals of the country dating back to the territorial days. It was an early host for Monday Night RAW well before the Monday Night Wars ever happened. And, of course, it was the venue for some very memorable moments in the old days of ECW. So for a mid-sized wrestling promotion, there is a certain prestige attached to running a show there-even more so or TNA after the nightmarish experiences they had trying to go on the road full time. While it is steeped in history, if TNA crushed at the ballroom, it really wouldn't do a thing in terms of helping the company. Even WoM about how great the show was still would be very limited. The audience there won't be able to deign them as a "legit wrestling company" or whatever. I'm not saying the ballroom isn't historic, just that running a successful show there doesn't really mean anything outside of being able to say you ran a show there which I can't imagine will help you sell more tickets to your next show, sell more merch, increase ad revenue or anything substitantive.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 19, 2014 18:22:45 GMT -5
I actually have to disagree with a poster above who said the ballroom is not a "holy place" where the crowd's opinion matters more then elsewhere. While financial arguments about the costs of booking the ballroom are totally valid, the Hammerstein Ballroom is still kind of a mini-mecca of wrestling, comparable to the Mid South Coliseum in Tennessee. Its located right in the heart of NYC, one of the wrestling capitals of the country dating back to the territorial days. It was an early host for Monday Night RAW well before the Monday Night Wars ever happened. And, of course, it was the venue for some very memorable moments in the old days of ECW. So for a mid-sized wrestling promotion, there is a certain prestige attached to running a show there-even more so or TNA after the nightmarish experiences they had trying to go on the road full time. While it is steeped in history, if TNA crushed at the ballroom, it really wouldn't do a thing in terms of helping the company. Even WoM about how great the show was still would be very limited. The audience there won't be able to deign them as a "legit wrestling company" or whatever. I'm not saying the ballroom isn't historic, just that running a successful show there doesn't really mean anything outside of being able to say you ran a show there which I can't imagine will help you sell more tickets to your next show, sell more merch, increase ad revenue or anything substitantive. If they can fill the ballroom, that is more ticket Mobey than they are making at the Impact Zone. If they can establish a fan base in NYC, they can expand in a new market. Personally I won't hold my breath in either just yet, but they do have to look further than the studio at the Universal park in Floruda eventually. * added-because of the Balllroom's wrestling tradition, it might actually improve their odds of drawing a decent crowd.
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