kevin
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Post by kevin on Feb 2, 2015 9:26:25 GMT -5
It sucks seeing disease that should be dead coming back. Antivaxxers are terrible, What sucks is you can show them all the science data in the world showing all of their claims are pure BS to abject speculation at best and they say no this random person said vaccines are bad and everyone else is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 11:42:24 GMT -5
The anti-vaxxers want perfect children. That's the core of it. If their kids have autism, then they are considered defective and therefore someone or something must be to blame. The new age nonsense of "naturalism" also comes into play. The idea that vaccinations and medicine stop the body from being "pure" etc....It's similar to all those nutters who worship Deepak Chopra and other con men who claim to have found mystical remedies which will bring some sort of higher state of being. They might want to look back into history before the days of germ theory, vaccines and medication when you were lucky to reach the age of 40. All these people live in an echo chamber, on message boards, social media groups, and social circles in person, where they all reinforce each other's flawed beliefs. In a way, this reminds me of the concept of eugenics, which was the notion that if you controlled who was able to breed and when, you'd get better children who could be smarter, stronger, and more attractive. Now, I'm not certain if they actually believe this, but if it wasn't for the fact that eugenics was both dismissed as quackary and was endorsed by Hitler, they probably would look at it. I mention eugenics because of the opposite end of the theory, which is that "defective" children are abominations. Even a slight imperfection of the child, instead of it being unique, renders them as failures to the parents and presents weak genetics, meaning they themselves are flawed. And that's unacceptable. Not sure why you would say that. Chris Hardwick and Carmen Electra both seemed to be fine enough, minus a few bad life choices here and there. Neither chose to become the face of a misinformed movement, refused to acknowledge legitimate research that proves her wrong, and inspired parents throughout the country to make choices that might kill their children. Seriously, what is the evidence that she believes more than legitimate scientific studies? The notion that more autism diagnoses have occurred since well after vaccinations became commonplace? That evidence is so flimsy that it is laughable for many reasons: 1) Autism diagnoses are more common because it is better studied and more easily recognized. 2) Autism diagnoses are more common because the definition has expanded to include many more mild but related syndromes. 3) Vaccinations have been around for a very long time. George Washington was still president when the first Smallpox vaccine was developed (though immunity via exposure to more mild strains of smallpox (called variolation) date even farther back. Wide spread modern vaccine usage to wipe out various diseases still predates the increase of autism considerably. 4) It is not as though we have not been developing new and more toxic chemicals that then make their way into the environment through pollution during the time that more autism diagnoses have occurred. Well, that and the fact that in a thousand years scientists that find our corpses and those of the generations that precede us will be able to easily state whether the person died before or after 1945 by doing a quick radiation reading. Truth is, I figure that the combination of pollution and radiation account more for the phenomenon than anything else. Also to note is that the process originated in Turkey where elderly women would bring in those cultures and, by exposing them to the weaker smallpox, could cure people of dealing with the illness. In fact, when the process was transferred to England, it reduced the mortality rate of smallpox from 3 out of 10 to 1 out of 50. Not bad in a time where people were still drinking water that came from supplies tainted with sewage. It's amazing how practical ideas that are easy to accomplish in good health, like pastuerizing milk, having your sewage not mingle with your drinking supplies, and washing your hands to avoid spreading disease were all fought tooth and nail. I mean, people argued that flashheating milk ruined the flavor, nature would take its course, and it was miasmas that made people ill, not bacteria and viruses. On the next episode of "Donnie Loves Jenny," Donnie tries to cope with the myriad of stds he gets from Jenny because she won't take any vaccines. Okay, that was kind of mean I guess. I should be lucky enough to have someone to share venereal diseases with. I was surprised that she actually has a show on A&E. But, then again, so do people who bid on storage lockers for a living, an incompetent arena football team, and the owners of Wahl Burgers and Duck Commander. They help with the bends and strokes, and possibly other ailments that cause brain damage. The nutters who think they cure autism think their kids are brain damaged from mercury, nothing more. I figured as much for the brain damage, but I'm still perplexed as to why this is considered a remedy for it. Also... disappointed nobody replied to that comment by saying "Hey, that's a half-truth!"
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Dr. T is an alien
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 2, 2015 14:55:55 GMT -5
The anti-vaxxers want perfect children. That's the core of it. If their kids have autism, then they are considered defective and therefore someone or something must be to blame. The new age nonsense of "naturalism" also comes into play. The idea that vaccinations and medicine stop the body from being "pure" etc....It's similar to all those nutters who worship Deepak Chopra and other con men who claim to have found mystical remedies which will bring some sort of higher state of being. They might want to look back into history before the days of germ theory, vaccines and medication when you were lucky to reach the age of 40. All these people live in an echo chamber, on message boards, social media groups, and social circles in person, where they all reinforce each other's flawed beliefs. As a parent of a kid that is one the autism spectrum, I just have one thing to say to anti-vaxxers: F*** YOU. F*** YOU WITH A RUSTY, 6 FT. LONG CLAYMORE SWORD RIGHT UP IN YOUR OVERLY TIGHT SPHINCTER. Seriously, how dare you suggest that having a kid with autism is worse than the kid getting some potentially crippling or fatal disease? My child is fine, sweet, and was smarter as a young child than your dumb ass will ever be (he is now 13 and smarter than ever).
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 2, 2015 16:44:43 GMT -5
CNN irritated me again today by doing what they always do and framing all issues as all sides having valid opinions. In a segment covering the return of measles due to people refusing to vaccinate their children, they signed off by saying some shit like "well, this is a debate that will go on". There is no debate. Refusing vaccinations is lethal, and harmful to public health. To suggest it's a reasoned debate is dangerous and irresponsible.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 2, 2015 22:43:01 GMT -5
Anti-Vaxxers will never change their tune. They've already endangered their children and everybody else due to being wrong and they're too stubborn to admit that they were wrong.
Edit: You know what, here's a story regarding my grandfather.
While my grandpa is one of the strongest men I've ever known, his body is deteriorating rapidly from the illness that he had as a child. He can no longer garden and has to walk with a cane.
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