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Post by xCompackx on May 23, 2016 16:14:05 GMT -5
Wait? You're blaming her for being upset with private pictures being leaked online? They were stolen from her account and posted online without her consent. If you're one of the most popular, attractive celebrities in Hollywood, I would vouch for personal responsibility. Taking nudes and connecting them to the world wide web, anyone runs the risk of them being leaked. It's the world we live in. edit: Im not blaming her for taking nudes, or them being stolen. What irked me is she played the victim, and while she partly is, there wasnt a shred of accountability. that's sending the wrong message. Accountability for what, though? Assuming she had a strong iCloud password and everything was secure on her end, there wasn't anything to be done if they still got hacked.
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 23, 2016 16:17:24 GMT -5
New tv spot {Spoiler}...For a scene that is'nt even in the final cut {Spoiler}Shame they cut the mall scene, almost certainly just to check off their "Wolverine cameo" box. Maybe they'll put the scene back in on a director's cut. Also, can we not have this argument again? If something is stolen from you and leaked without your consent, the person who stole/leaked it is the bad guy. Period. Victim blaming is bullshit, and we'll be better off as a society when we do away with it.
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Post by MC Blowfish on May 23, 2016 16:22:09 GMT -5
Wait? You're blaming her for being upset with private pictures being leaked online? They were stolen from her account and posted online without her consent. If you're one of the most popular, attractive celebrities in Hollywood, I would vouch for personal responsibility. Taking nudes and connecting them to the world wide web, anyone runs the risk of them being leaked. It's the world we live in. edit: Im not blaming her for taking nudes, or them being stolen. What irked me is she played the victim, and while she partly is, there wasnt a shred of accountability. that's sending the wrong message. You might not be blaming her directly, but you are. She has every right to be upset with her PRIVATE pictures being stolen and leaked online. Just because she's a big Hollywood star, doesn't make her any less at fault. I understand that people get hacked all of the time. Especially celebrities. That doesn't make it right. She didn't leak them. She didn't leave her phone out (which would still be wrong). They were stored on her devices and backed up. This was hacked which is illegal and then distributed which is illegal. Question for you. Do you blame the grocery store for items getting stolen? How about Target or Walmart? Is it their fault for items being stolen?
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Post by Fade on May 23, 2016 16:37:27 GMT -5
If you're one of the most popular, attractive celebrities in Hollywood, I would vouch for personal responsibility. Taking nudes and connecting them to the world wide web, anyone runs the risk of them being leaked. It's the world we live in. edit: Im not blaming her for taking nudes, or them being stolen. What irked me is she played the victim, and while she partly is, there wasnt a shred of accountability. that's sending the wrong message. You might not be blaming her directly, but you are. She has every right to be upset with her PRIVATE pictures being stolen and leaked online. Just because she's a big Hollywood star, doesn't make her any less at fault. I understand that people get hacked all of the time. Especially celebrities. That doesn't make it right. She didn't leak them. She didn't leave her phone out (which would still be wrong). They were stored on her devices and backed up. This was hacked which is illegal and then distributed which is illegal. Question for you. Do you blame the grocery store for items getting stolen? How about Target or Walmart? Is it their fault for items being stolen? First of all: Lotta hostility. So lets keep it civil. Just my opinion. I'm not saying the perpetrators were right in what they did. They aren't. However, again, this happens to normal girls all the time. The risk is amplified if you're a celebrity of her magnitude. Hackers get better every single day, even the U.S has been hacked multiple times, what makes the cloud seem safer? As for your analogy, its completely different and doesnt apply. If the store took the price tags off, disabled cameras and had no security, I would blame the grocery store, yeah.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on May 23, 2016 16:38:05 GMT -5
Much like the movies remember when this thread was about the X-Men instead of Jennifer Lawrence?
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Post by MC Blowfish on May 23, 2016 16:53:54 GMT -5
You might not be blaming her directly, but you are. She has every right to be upset with her PRIVATE pictures being stolen and leaked online. Just because she's a big Hollywood star, doesn't make her any less at fault. I understand that people get hacked all of the time. Especially celebrities. That doesn't make it right. She didn't leak them. She didn't leave her phone out (which would still be wrong). They were stored on her devices and backed up. This was hacked which is illegal and then distributed which is illegal. Question for you. Do you blame the grocery store for items getting stolen? How about Target or Walmart? Is it their fault for items being stolen? First of all: Lotta hostility. So lets keep it civil. Just my opinion. I'm not saying the perpetrators were right in what they did. They aren't. However, again, this happens to normal girls all the time. The risk is amplified if you're a celebrity of her magnitude. Hackers get better every single day, even the U.S has been hacked multiple times, what makes the cloud seem safer? As for your analogy, its completely different and doesnt apply. If the store took the price tags off, disabled cameras and had no security, I would blame the grocery store, yeah. I think you're looking for hostility, but anyways. The point is that her account was locked down. Password protected, and thus secured to the best of her ability. Also what about those stores that leave items in front of the store without cameras on them. Does it make it ok to steal from them? Say I walked up to your house, opened a window, and grabbed a few things. Can I blame you because you didn't have a security system? No I can't. It's still stealing and it's still wrong. Also taking the price tags off, disabling the cameras and no security means it's ok? That's a slippery slope that you're sliding down.
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Post by Fade on May 23, 2016 16:59:32 GMT -5
First of all: Lotta hostility. So lets keep it civil. Just my opinion. I'm not saying the perpetrators were right in what they did. They aren't. However, again, this happens to normal girls all the time. The risk is amplified if you're a celebrity of her magnitude. Hackers get better every single day, even the U.S has been hacked multiple times, what makes the cloud seem safer? As for your analogy, its completely different and doesnt apply. If the store took the price tags off, disabled cameras and had no security, I would blame the grocery store, yeah. I think you're looking for hostility, but anyways. The point is that her account was locked down. Password protected, and thus secured to the best of her ability. Also what about those stores that leave items in front of the store without cameras on them. Does it make it ok to steal from them? Say I walked up to your house, opened a window, and grabbed a few things. Can I blame you because you didn't have a security system? No I can't. It's still stealing and it's still wrong. Also taking the price tags off, disabling the cameras and no security means it's ok? That's a slippery slope that you're sliding down. I am not in any way hostile or looking for it, however you seem very impassioned. I'm not. The internet is not a safe space. It just isnt. We all take that risk with our bank information and personal info. Now I understand you might HAVE to put your info out there for school or work but do you HAVE to put nudes? You said if you walked up to my house, my windows able to be opened, my doors unlocked, and you walk in, take things, can you blame me? Absolutely. Personal responsibility.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 23, 2016 17:10:43 GMT -5
The internet is not a safe space. It just isnt. We all take that risk with our bank information and personal info. Now I understand you might HAVE to put your info out there for school or work but do you HAVE to put nudes? Dude, that's skirting way too close to the "She was asking for it" rationale for my comfort. You're basically saying if she didn't want nudes to leak she shouldn't have taken them in the first place. You said if you walked up to my house, my windows able to be opened, my doors unlocked, and you walk in, take things, can you blame me? Absolutely. Personal responsibility. Her account was password protected, which is kinda the opposite of leaving the door unlocked, no?
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Post by Fade on May 23, 2016 17:15:25 GMT -5
The internet is not a safe space. It just isnt. We all take that risk with our bank information and personal info. Now I understand you might HAVE to put your info out there for school or work but do you HAVE to put nudes? Dude, that's skirting way too close to the "She was asking for it" rationale for my comfort. You're basically saying if she didn't want nudes to leak she shouldn't have taken them in the first place. You said if you walked up to my house, my windows able to be opened, my doors unlocked, and you walk in, take things, can you blame me? Absolutely. Personal responsibility. Her account was password protected, which is kinda the opposite of leaving the door unlocked, no? I surprisingly know a few girls who never have taken pics for that reason alone. You're right, it was password protected, so it's like having your door locked but I'll say it again, Governments get hacked all the time so "virtual locks" might be less resilient than literal ones and those aren't infallible either.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 23, 2016 17:29:25 GMT -5
I surprisingly know a few girls who never have taken pics for that reason alone. You're right, it was password protected, so it's like having your door locked but I'll say it again, Governments get hacked all the time so "virtual locks" might be less resilient than literal ones and those aren't infallible either. Which is fine, I don't fully trust Internet security either, but it still doesn't make her accountable for the fact that someone put the time in to crack her account. Otherwise we might as well all unplug from the Internet.
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 23, 2016 17:33:39 GMT -5
Much like the movies remember when this thread was about the X-Men instead of Jennifer Lawrence? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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Post by Fade on May 23, 2016 17:34:36 GMT -5
I surprisingly know a few girls who never have taken pics for that reason alone. You're right, it was password protected, so it's like having your door locked but I'll say it again, Governments get hacked all the time so "virtual locks" might be less resilient than literal ones and those aren't infallible either. Which is fine, I don't fully trust Internet security either, but it still doesn't make her accountable for the fact that someone put the time in to crack her account. Otherwise we might as well all unplug from the Internet. oh man, I want to, sometimes. Its so engrained in life though, its impossible. She absolutely was a victim but in the earlier example if my doors unlocked, you come in and takr my stuff, im gonna be pissed at you but twice as pissed off at myself. She was 100% pissed at them, thats it, zilch. Some humility would have showed tact. I don't wanna hijack this thread. TLDR: She was a victim. I think she could have handled the situation better.
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Post by ronin705 on May 23, 2016 17:34:42 GMT -5
I don't know how people are saying Cyclops got the shaft in this movie. He had the best "arc" out of everyone in the film.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 23, 2016 17:48:06 GMT -5
oh man, I want to, sometimes. Its so engrained in life though, its impossible. She absolutely was a victim but in the earlier example if my doors unlocked, you come in and takr my stuff, im gonna be pissed at you but twice as pissed off at myself. She was 100% pissed at them, thats it, zilch. Some humility would have showed tact. I don't wanna hijack this thread. TLDR: She was a victim. I think she could have handled the situation better. But as you acknowledged, her door wasn't unlocked. Someone had to go to the effort of finding out her email address and cracking the password. That's more akin to robbing a bank than it is to burglarising someone's home. I do agree that the fallout wasn't brilliantly handled, but it was an awkward position for her given her "brand" as the sweet girl next door making good in Hollywood. Easier to go on the attack in that situation. I too don't wish to hijack the thread, so I'm bowing out.
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Post by Jiren on May 23, 2016 19:11:20 GMT -5
I don't know how people are saying Cyclops got the shaft in this movie. He had the best "arc" out of everyone in the film. Cyclops was awesome in the movie.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on May 23, 2016 19:24:46 GMT -5
I don't know how people are saying Cyclops got the shaft in this movie. He had the best "arc" out of everyone in the film. Cyclops was awesome in the movie. Better than his last appearances in the franchise? Because he kinda did get the shaft there.
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Post by Jiren on May 23, 2016 19:30:38 GMT -5
Cyclops was awesome in the movie. Better than his last appearances in the franchise? Because he kinda did get the shaft there. Better than last stand (I liked his DOFP cameo) I thought the kid playing him was fine, And I liked his interaction with Jean
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 23, 2016 21:37:28 GMT -5
Wait? You're blaming her for being upset with private pictures being leaked online? They were stolen from her account and posted online without her consent. If you're one of the most popular, attractive celebrities in Hollywood, I would vouch for personal responsibility. Taking nudes and connecting them to the world wide web, anyone runs the risk of them being leaked. It's the world we live in. edit: Im not blaming her for taking nudes, or them being stolen. What irked me is she played the victim, and while she partly is, there wasnt a shred of accountability. that's sending the wrong message. 1. She *was* the victim. She can "play" it however the **** she wants 2. We are NOT going down this road again. GET THIS THREAD BACK ON TOPIC.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on May 24, 2016 11:27:03 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority but I loved this movie. First Class and DOFP are definitely better but I thought it was still really good. I'm not that well versed in X-Men comics so I have a question about the post credits scene {Spoiler}What's Essex Corp? Is it Mister Sinister related?
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on May 24, 2016 11:34:01 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority but I loved this movie. First Class and DOFP are definitely better but I thought it was still really good. I'm not that well versed in X-Men comics so I have a question about the post credits scene What's Essex Corp? Is it Mister Sinister related? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yes, Essex Corp is 95% sure to be a reference to Mister Sinister. Mister Sinister's real name is Nathaniel Essex.
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