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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 8:52:41 GMT -5
Do people seriously still believe this is a thing This is a thing, though. Hearing that a movie is really good/bad prior to experiencing it yourself is undoubtedly gonna' color your expectations going into it. Hell, it's true of any form of media. Got around to checking it out. The {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Weapon X bit was freaking awesome. Scott and Kurt were decent, and Fasbender as Magneto kicked ass as always. Everything else though? Really didn't care for it. WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much focus on "Mystique", if she even deserves to be called as much. Seriously, there was barely a shred of the actual Mystique from either the comics or the original X-Films represented here. See, I disagree - as much as I loved Days of Future Past, I thought it had way more focus on Mystique than Apocalypse did. In DoFP she's key to the climax of the film, while in Apocalypse she's much more of a supporting player (albeit one who gets a good chunk of screen time).
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Post by Fade on May 30, 2016 13:50:26 GMT -5
I really was expecting a POS...and I enjoyed it. Actually really dug Apoc. Xavier was on point as was Fassbender. Dug the youngr mutants. Even J-Law playing J-Law wasn't that bad. I don't get why people are so mixed about the film?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on May 30, 2016 14:36:43 GMT -5
Do people seriously still believe this is a thing This is a thing, though. Hearing that a movie is really good/bad prior to experiencing it yourself is undoubtedly gonna' color your expectations going into it. Hell, it's true of any form of media. Got around to checking it out. The {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Weapon X bit was freaking awesome. Scott and Kurt were decent, and Fasbender as Magneto kicked ass as always. Everything else though? Really didn't care for it. WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much focus on "Mystique", if she even deserves to be called as much. Seriously, there was barely a shred of the actual Mystique from either the comics or the original X-Films represented here. See, I disagree - as much as I loved Days of Future Past, I thought it had way more focus on Mystique than Apocalypse did. In DoFP she's key to the climax of the film, while in Apocalypse she's much more of a supporting player (albeit one who gets a good chunk of screen time). Before I say this, I'll point out that I know your opinion is not changeable; I'm just quoting for counterargument's sake and to give the "why I hated it" perspective. She was posterized in the movie, literally. A supporting player? They depicted her as *the* mutant among all mutants in the film. Heck, she was seriously Catniss Everdeen redux in this movie. Absolutely despicable and not at all what Mystique is. Magneto was well-played, but the Catniss crap made him like some sort of Peeta... {Spoiler}...in how he was "turning" on everyone and "fighting his inner conscience" while being Mystique's dreamy-eyed playboy. Disgusting. In a tie for number one on my "I'm seriously about to walk out" list is Quicksilver. {Spoiler}He's not the g****** Flash! I don't even care for DC, but seriously, he's not Flash!!! They effed this character up sideways, frontways, and backward so much that I may have punched my own self in the face as a side effect. Make him an alien who is anyone other than Quicksilver and add him to the Guardians of the Galaxy cast since that's the bonafide comic relief of the Marvel genre. The Evan Peters portrayal is not Quicksilver. I'm sorry, but it's a tankload of p***.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 16:48:25 GMT -5
Before I say this, I'll point out that I know your opinion is not changeable; I'm just quoting for counterargument's sake and to give the "why I hated it" perspective. She was posterized in the movie, literally. A supporting player? They depicted her as *the* mutant among all mutants in the film. Heck, she was seriously Catniss Everdeen redux in this movie. Absolutely despicable and not at all what Mystique is. Magneto was well-played, but the Catniss crap made him like some sort of Peeta...Disgusting. In a tie for number one on my "I'm seriously about to walk out" list is Quicksilver.The Evan Peters portrayal is not Quicksilver. I'm sorry, but it's a tankload of p***. See I'm coming from the perspective of someone who doesn't really read comics, so for all I know maybe they did bastardize these characters. I just know that compared to DoFP it seemed like Mystique got less screentime, comparatively.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 30, 2016 17:00:50 GMT -5
I tend to just look at it like a different version of Mystique altogether, and it pretty well has been since First Class.
Though I will say that the complaints about her not being blue and such a LOT of the time? Yeah, in this one they're valid.
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 30, 2016 17:12:38 GMT -5
After taking in what's being rightfully hailed as very phoned-in performance, this would actually be a good time for Jennifer Lawrence to take a bit of a break. Her two franchises just wrapped up with the last installments having the least success financially. Her performances also seemed pretty perfunctory in both. Her last David O. Russell film also didn't cause many waves, even though she's settled into the "Easy Oscar Nom" slot.
Take a break, enjoy all that money, and come back refreshed to something out of her current blockbuster/Russell rut. That'd be my advice.
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Post by Joker on May 30, 2016 18:30:15 GMT -5
Just saw this today and enjoyed it. It's no X-Men 2 but it's as good as the other two in this timeline trilogy. Liked Scott, Jean, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Prof X, Beast, Magneto, Psylocke, Storm & Apocalypse. Wolverine section was cool, as was the brief appearance of Caliban. Don't care for Mystique anyway so wasn't fussed with what she did in this, care even less about Angel so again not fussed although amused they made him a German pit fighter?? lol They threw a metric ton of special effects at this which was awesome and I thought it was great to Professor X {Spoiler}{Spoiler} kick ass at the end in the Astral Plane, followed by Jean. Speaking of which did anyone get the feeling that this Apocalypse was also half Shadow King with his transferring powers ability, swear I heard someone say Amahl Farouk at one point.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 30, 2016 19:18:05 GMT -5
I don't get why people are so mixed about the film? From a storytelling standpoint, I felt it wasn't particularly well focused, as can happen when you're juggling so many characters at once and trying to do justice to as many of them as possible. Another criticism I've seen a lot is Singer's lack of reverence for the source material, which is of course a long-standing bugbear for some people, especially since the MCU has given us far more accurate portrayals of their characters. Some people are more forgiving of Singer of this than others - I've never read an X-Men comic in my life, and never watched the '90s cartoon, so personally I can't relate to those criticisms. As for the JLaw "issue"... That's just marketing. Her star power is far greater than anybody else in the cast, so it's only natural to expect the studio to want her role to be expanded. I thought Singer did a decent job of working with this proviso, even if it didn't make a lot of sense from a storytelling perspective over the course of the trilogy - these movies were always supposed to be about Xavier and Magneto's friendship/rivalry over the decades, so it is a shame that Lawrence's rapid rise to superstardom eclipsed that.
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Post by Fade on May 30, 2016 19:40:31 GMT -5
I don't get why people are so mixed about the film? From a storytelling standpoint, I felt it wasn't particularly well focused, as can happen when you're juggling so many characters at once and trying to do justice to as many of them as possible. Another criticism I've seen a lot is Singer's lack of reverence for the source material, which is of course a long-standing bugbear for some people, especially since the MCU has given us far more accurate portrayals of their characters. Some people are more forgiving of Singer of this than others - I've never read an X-Men comic in my life, and never watched the '90s cartoon, so personally I can't relate to those criticisms. As for the JLaw "issue"... That's just marketing. Her star power is far greater than anybody else in the cast, so it's only natural to expect the studio to want her role to be expanded. I thought Singer did a decent job of working with this proviso, even if it didn't make a lot of sense from a storytelling perspective over the course of the trilogy - these movies were always supposed to be about Xavier and Magneto's friendship/rivalry over the decades, so it is a shame that Lawrence's rapid rise to superstardom eclipsed that. Eh, yeah, I get that. I loved X-Men comics and TAS but I don't care when films stray a little bit. It was all over the place but I felt enough of it was interesting but again..pretty big X Men fan myself.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 31, 2016 9:14:36 GMT -5
I enjoyed the movie immensely while watching it, but I think it is one that holds up less the more you think about it. A lot of the CGI looked horribly cheap, even unfinished. The worst was probably the boat with shipping containers that was getting thrown around by Magneto. EDIT: Oops, used a quote tag, and not a spoiler tag. {Spoiler}I feel like Apocalypse would have been more interesting if they gave him a motivation other than power/kill all the humans. Oscar Isaac's performance was captivating, but it worked in spite of the writing and not because of it.
Tonally, the Quicksilver scene was completely jarring
I'm sure they cut a sequence at the mall. It would have been nice to see more of the mutant students use their powers, like Jubilee probably did in the cut mall scene.
The biggest problem is the ending with Magneto and Xavier. Magneto must have killed hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions. All this of his own free will.
Instead of saying "until we meet again old friend" or whatever, Xavier should have put the not-wearing-his-helmet Magneto in a permanent coma. He is clearly too dangerous to be allowed to roam free, even if he did decide to turn on Apocalypse at the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:33:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 0:11:43 GMT -5
It's a fun movie. I kind of like how it was just the X-Men fighting a Demi God mutant and nothing more but a disaster film really. Like yeah I'm kind of glad it took a break from the Evil Politician/General fighting against Mutant Kind which causes The X-Men to Team Up with Magneto only to get betrayed by Magneto route. Instead Magneto was already fighting with Apocalypse before Xavier gets "Sting'd" by him again. I'm also kind of shocked the RT Ratings were low, like yeah it was kind of brainless and didn't have much of a story or themes, but it carried way more weight and a sense of danger than Age of Ultron. Hell it's a better movie than Age of Ultron where the villain is more memorable, has more character, a clearer motif, and did stuff of importance that will affect the franchise.
I think we're getting to the point there is this snobbery that if the Superhero film isn't Marvel (some casuals I know usually refer the MCU as Marvel) or Deadpool, it isn't worth it. Like there is a couple of movie going co-worker and friends I have who are in that line of thinking right now but I can't blame them for not liking Man of Steel or Green Lateran or Batman vs. Superman. But yeah there seems to be good buzz amongst the internet and the casual movie going public for this film despite the RT score.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jun 1, 2016 0:28:48 GMT -5
Wait if First Class is in the 60s and Apocalypse is in the 80s, why is no one 20 years older? Like not Patrick Stewart makes some reference to Rose Byrne not ageing at all and I'm thinking f***ing none of you have First Class is during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Reagan is President in Apocalypse so thats like a 19 year gap at a minimum
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 0:54:12 GMT -5
Wait if First Class is in the 60s and Apocalypse is in the 80s, why is no one 20 years older? Like not Patrick Stewart makes some reference to Rose Byrne not ageing at all and I'm thinking f***ing none of you have First Class is during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Reagan is President in Apocalypse so thats like a 19 year gap at a minimum And Patrick Stewart was in Wolverine Origins which takes place in 1986 and this movie takes place in 1982 and his birth year is in 1932 but Days of Future Past takes place in 2023. So basically he looks amazing until 1986 but looks amazing for a 91 year old man as well with Magneto and well the rest of the cast from The Last Stand taking place on 2006
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jun 1, 2016 0:59:13 GMT -5
Wait if First Class is in the 60s and Apocalypse is in the 80s, why is no one 20 years older? Like not Patrick Stewart makes some reference to Rose Byrne not ageing at all and I'm thinking f***ing none of you have First Class is during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Reagan is President in Apocalypse so thats like a 19 year gap at a minimum And Patrick Stewart was in Wolverine Origins which takes place in 1986 and this movie takes place in 1982 and his birth year is in 1932 but Days of Future Past takes place in 2023. So basically he looks amazing until 1986 but looks amazing for a 91 year old man as well with Magneto and well the rest of the cast from The Last Stand taking place on 2006 f*** these movies
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jun 1, 2016 6:22:45 GMT -5
Uh...comic book time?
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Post by Fade on Jun 1, 2016 18:09:59 GMT -5
And Patrick Stewart was in Wolverine Origins which takes place in 1986 and this movie takes place in 1982 and his birth year is in 1932 but Days of Future Past takes place in 2023. So basically he looks amazing until 1986 but looks amazing for a 91 year old man as well with Magneto and well the rest of the cast from The Last Stand taking place on 2006 f**u* these movies LMAO. The perfect response to all that convuluted nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 19:06:11 GMT -5
LMAO. The perfect response to all that convuluted nonsense. 1st panel about sums it up.
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Post by Cela on Jun 1, 2016 19:06:23 GMT -5
Wait if First Class is in the 60s and Apocalypse is in the 80s, why is no one 20 years older? Like not Patrick Stewart makes some reference to Rose Byrne not ageing at all and I'm thinking f***ing none of you have First Class is during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Reagan is President in Apocalypse so thats like a 19 year gap at a minimum The only thing that bugged me was Havoc being probably 38-40, and having a high school aged brother.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jun 1, 2016 21:37:22 GMT -5
Wait if First Class is in the 60s and Apocalypse is in the 80s, why is no one 20 years older? Like not Patrick Stewart makes some reference to Rose Byrne not ageing at all and I'm thinking f***ing none of you have First Class is during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Reagan is President in Apocalypse so thats like a 19 year gap at a minimum The only thing that bugged me was Havoc being probably 38-40, and having a high school aged brother. Eddie Guerrero was born 18 years after his brother Chavo Sr.
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